Panasonic 2010 Plasma Models - Page 98

If you truly have inside information, I highly recommend you verify your comments. The 3D drive (software) will not create 12,000+ shades of gray. Not one Panasonic document (public or internal) has ever made that claim.

Amazon already has this model for sale, but only from third parties for the moment.

I am just going by what I was told. I sent you a PM.

And you have a reply

This link says the same thing that qphillips is saying, I think. See charts mid way down.

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/3...ogy/index.html

Understand it is from panasonic.

It says: "The high-speed processing capability doubles the gradation of 2D images in comparison with conventional playback. This produces vivid coloring with a tonal expression that approaches the levels we see in nature."

Dammit, I was completely satisfied with the idea of getting a G25 before reading that...

And when you read that phrase, look and the corresponding pictures. "Conventional Playback" relates to a "Conventional Display".... which the sunset picture clearly states (Conventional Display). NeoPDP has never been marketed as a "Conventional Display".

Panasonic marketing likes to display large numbers. 12,000+ shades of gray has never been done on any digital display. Panasonic marketing would have been all over it if the VT series could actually do it.

Speaking per the technical side of the 2010 NeoPDPeco, the driver software is not capable of creating that many shades of gray with half toning and dither.

They are using trickery as always with the words. In 2D they claim 6000 gradation, 12,000 for both eyes in 3D. 6000 gradations per eye maybe?

How come Panasonic doesn't list the 46" G25 model on their web site? Did they decide not to do a 46" or are they not releasing it until later?

That may be the way they are getting it. However, reading "hands on" or should I say "eyes on" reports from those that attended the various showings after CES, the viewers are saying they felt the 3D greatly improved the 2D. Granted this was subjective viewing but these people didn't just come in on the turnip truck, as Dr. Phil would say. I am not bashful in admitting I tend to believe what they are seeing.

in what does more gradiation result in terms of picture quality ?

I think last year the 42" G10 appeared first, followed by the 50" and then the 46" after that. The G25 Operating Manual that i downloaded covers the 42"/46"/50"/54" sizes so it's not likely that they decided not to make a 46". Give it time.

46" is due out first week of April. A preorder page should pop up for it on Panny's website sometime in the next 2 weeks.

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/3...ogy/index.html

The high-speed processing capability doubles the gradation of 2D images in comparison with conventional playback. This produces vivid coloring with a tonal expression that approaches the levels we see in nature.

Amazon has the P42G15 online from other retailers, NOT the G25 Series.

That is exactly what I was talking about. I saw the same information but from a different source. What I saw on the information I received was this: "High-speed 3D drive technology doubles the gradation capability of our previous system, making 2D images more beautiful than ever."

I believe newer 3D medical cancer maging devices may have the capability, or pretty damn close. I am still checking.

I think there is more to it than what your 2nd statement implies. Maybe a "however" should go at the end.

Jimmy, you seem to have your own perception of these displays and the information located on Panasonic's Global site. Why don't you just leave it at that and believe what you choose to believe and keep your snide remarks to yourself?

Now that was uncalled for. I am not trying to be snide. Why do you always get so defensive when somebody questions you or has other information? Like I said before, I am sorry! But, I am not going anywhere. I have been on AVS almost 10yrs getting help and occassionally being a help. Just for your information, I don't get my training from the Panasonic site. I got it from being an EE, working in the communications industry for over 30 yrs including TV Operations and Satellite video communications. I've never stated this information before preferring to learn from others and hopefully I can continue to do that.

So, your "however" with a at the end was not a snide remark? Ok, Jimmy I re-checked the nominees for the 2010 Academy Awards I did not see your name listed. So, can you please stop the acting? Your not going to win an award nor are you fooling me.

Now Mr. EE degree (Computer Engineering degree here), you really need to read all of the information instead of looking at most/some. I take it you did not read the foot note at the bottom of the "Rich graduation is achieved even when displaying 2D images." topic. Its small print, but I'll quote it here in a larger font:

"** These images are for a 60Hz input signal"

So all the graduation talk and images are for a 60Hz signal? Hmm, what happens when you send the panel a 1080p/24Hz signal?

Input signal type should not dictate shades of gray when it comes to a video signal. This is why I stated you have your own perception of these displays and the information located on Panasonic's Global site.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!


I didn't know researching a TV could be so exciting. I haven't seen hair flying this much since HD-DVD died....OK, this is like 1/100th what that was.


On a more serious note; thanks for all the info and discussion guys.

And D-Nice, thank you for all the extra work you put into these sets.

I am just hoping everyone can relax and enjoy this wonky discussion as much as I am!


thom

I am not saying anyone is right or wrong here, just making an observation:

That note only applies to info under the Europe tab.
If you click the North America tab at the very bottom of the page, that note disappears.

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/3...ogy/index.html

Remember, this is Panasonic marketing so you have to take it all with a grain of salt.

more pictures for VT series.

Black is not that good

http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/tv/11024339.html

Ha, Ha

Where are the HVAC message boards so us MECHANICAL ENGINEERS can speak our opinions?

just kidding, but like some have said over and over here, is it really worth trying to decipher and ultimately arguing about what is essentially marketing speak?

Looking at the specs for S2 and G20. It states that they both use
G13 Progressive Full-HD Plasma Display, but S2 contrast ratio is more than
2 times lower. How is that possible? Is it just Panasonic marketing trick?

Another thing is the "smooth 24p" feature found in G20 and up.
Is it the same implementation in G and V series? I thought G ones could
not do 96Hz, but according to specs it looks the same for both G and V models.

Ice and snow looks pretty bad on every plasma I've seen. Granted I haven't seen them all but I do hope that ice actually looks white and not light grey with the new displays.

Thanks to ecgz88 for providing this awesome link:
http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/tv/11024339.html

Scroll down several pictures and the good stuff appears.

Here is a nice little picture showing the panel structure of the 2010 G and V series.
Notice how much darker the V is compared to the G.
I assume the S and lower models are shown on the far right. No wonder they can't produce blacks very well.

Based on this, it's a no-brainer to go with the V Series.