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post #3541 of 5876
3/3/10 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by motoracer51 View Post

I kind of leaning towards a LG LH90 but am skeptical about the technology after enjoying plasma for so long.

I had the 55 LH90 and really wanted to love the set (especially the price and size) , but the banding on scenes that panned was terrible and I don't mean color banding. There were literally 3 3 to 4 inch horizontal strips that that were of different brightness that could easily be noticed on any light colored scene that panned vertically. I wanted to puke when I watched the scene on Planet Earth where the polar bear slid down the snow slope and I first saw the banding. I was made equally ill when playing any video game where there is vertical panning like any flight combat game where there is a light blue partly cloudy sky. Then there was the opening scene in the Fifth Element where the professor is reading the hieroglyphics and the screen panned on the light tan wall, you could easily make out perfectly rectangular zones that were of different brightness. These are just a few of the banding examples let alone the Olympics. If it wasn't for this major issue this set would have more than done the job it was supposed to. Perhaps the 47 inch model is better , but I tried 2 55 inch models and they both had this issue and the second one through in some vertical banding for good measure.

One day I strolled into my local Magnolia and found out they were sitting on a supply of pro-101fd's and the rest is history. If I would have known this sooner I probably wouldn't have messed around with anything else. I ended up replacing 2tv's this year and it has not been fun.
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3/3/10 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

Thanks. I saw your post, but I saw people subsequent to your post still using the 300% figure as if that was a tripling, so I figured it couldn't hurt repeating. Perhaps they hadn't gotten to your post yet, when they made their replies, which showed up after yours.

oh I agree, the mistake will probably be made again several more times

so, since we getting pedantic.... howz about people who use apostrophes to indicate a plural? that drives me nuts!
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post #3543 of 5876
3/3/10 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by motoracer51 View Post

The more I read about all these problems, the moreI say to myself what a disappointment this is.

After dealing with Samsung ( still not resolved ) on a faulty tv, I was looking forward to the new Panasonic's, specifically the G25. The arrogance displayed by Panasonic is really turning me off, but I have to ask this question:

What are our options, given the price range, besides Panasonic? I kind of leaning towards a LG LH90 but am skeptical about the technology after enjoying plasma for so long.

I am in the process of finishing my basement and will be in the need of a new TV for the family room downstairs. I was all set on purchasing a new 2010 Panny Plasma until this whole Black Level issue came to head. Now its safe to say that I will be giving the New Samsung C550 & C650 a nice hard look along with the New LG PK750 and PK550. Can't wait for reviews on all three manufactures to start popping up.
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post #3544 of 5876
3/3/10 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

When it is thought about as a whole, this issue came out as just about the whole Panasonic line was discontinued. No one complained the whole year about this until about 2 months ago, that I know of. I sold about 900 Panasonic plasmas and have gotten "0" complaints. I hope it stays this way too.

--Side note, I did have a guy get his TH-65PZ850U set swapped, as his set was getting darker. The black levels where dropping ( I KID YOU NOT !!!!! )

Are they doing a 46" in the G20 or G25?
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post #3545 of 5876
3/3/10 at 3:55pm
Without question an interesting thread with a lot of activity though ultimately it seems to return to the black level issue even though there is a thread specifically for that issue ( nice human behavior study in this somewhere lol ).

My 65 inch DLP died and while still fighting my warranty company ( the check is in the mail game has gotten old ), I'll be eventually replacing the now "gone" set.. in the interim I bought a 58 inch S1 and thus far it seems good enough ( was a flor model so am certain it has a few miles on it but the rpice was right ).

For those wanting a larger screen size there are few options. I had a 65 inch set and going back to the 58 makes it seem very small. A 63 inch Sammy might work but sure do hate giving up any size.

Thus, the options are a 65 inch LCD, a 65 inch Panasonic ( S2 or V25 or V10 if a floor model becomes cheaply avaialble ), or 63 inch Samsung. Each seems to ahve its own problems and like any forum it is hard to tell how many happy ducks ar eout there versus the forum side with complaints. One also has to factor in THEIR viewing criteria. I recognize many here are video purists and more demanding than most.

I also understand the Panasonic design to let black levels rise is a bit less than desirable but I wonder which set will have better black levels after say 2000 hours, the Pannys or the new samsungs? If Panasonic still outdoes Samsung in terms of black levels after the ris eperiod is over, for thsoe desiring a large plasma may find the Panny good enough.

I learned along time ago " next year's models" are always perfect until next year arrives and the disappointments begin so waiting another year is not in the cards. I wonder which poison pill will be the best to swallow.. a 65 inch Panny that may have black levels rising more than desired, a 63 inch Samsung that may buzz and may still have higher black levels than the Panny after break in, or a $500+ Samsung LCD 65 inch that has typical LCD issues.

In my case i have to be realistic.. I want alarge screen TV and my options are each less than optimum. But then my current S1 seems fine to my eyes save the lack of user level controls to adjust the colors ( My HP DLP had a plethora of user level color control options ).

I gues thsoe buying the 60 inch and smaller sets have more options ( my local BB had a 60 inch Pioneer for $3499 that is now gone but the size is too small for me anyway ).

Any thoughts about which poison pill is less poisonous?
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post #3546 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

wrong.... Kuros where the first buzzers.

My Kuro doesnt Buzz and the blacks be should around for a while to
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post #3547 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdavis37 View Post

Without question an interesting thread with a lot of activity though ultimately it seems to return to the black level issue even though there is a thread specifically for that issue ( nice human behavior study in this somewhere lol ).

My 65 inch DLP died and while still fighting my warranty company ( the check is in the mail game has gotten old ), I'll be eventually replacing the now "gone" set.. in the interim I bought a 58 inch S1 and thus far it seems good enough ( was a flor model so am certain it has a few miles on it but the rpice was right ).

For those wanting a larger screen size there are few options. I had a 65 inch set and going back to the 58 makes it seem very small. A 63 inch Sammy might work but sure do hate giving up any size.

Thus, the options are a 65 inch LCD, a 65 inch Panasonic ( S2 or V25 or V10 if a floor model becomes cheaply avaialble ), or 63 inch Samsung. Each seems to ahve its own problems and like any forum it is hard to tell how many happy ducks ar eout there versus the forum side with complaints. One also has to factor in THEIR viewing criteria. I recognize many here are video purists and more demanding than most.

I also understand the Panasonic design to let black levels rise is a bit less than desirable but I wonder which set will have better black levels after say 2000 hours, the Pannys or the new samsungs? If Panasonic still outdoes Samsung in terms of black levels after the ris eperiod is over, for thsoe desiring a large plasma may find the Panny good enough.

I learned along time ago " next year's models" are always perfect until next year arrives and the disappointments begin so waiting another year is not in the cards. I wonder which poison pill will be the best to swallow.. a 65 inch Panny that may have black levels rising more than desired, a 63 inch Samsung that may buzz and may still have higher black levels than the Panny after break in, or a $500+ Samsung LCD 65 inch that has typical LCD issues.

In my case i have to be realistic.. I want alarge screen TV and my options are each less than optimum. But then my current S1 seems fine to my eyes save the lack of user level controls to adjust the colors ( My HP DLP had a plethora of user level color control options ).

I gues thsoe buying the 60 inch and smaller sets have more options ( my local BB had a 60 inch Pioneer for $3499 that is now gone but the size is too small for me anyway ).

Any thoughts about which poison pill is less poisonous?

IMO I'd go with a Sammy plasma and was going to if I didnt find a Kuro which I did . Panny was my first choice until I'll finally got it threw my thick skull and excepted the fact of what Panny did and is doing to a very dedicated group of customers
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post #3548 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

IMO I'd go with a Sammy plasma and was going to if I didnt find a Kuro which I did . Panny was my first choice until I'll finally got it threw my thick skull and excepted the fact of what Panny did and is doing to a very dedicated group of customers

I'm in the exact same boat as you are. However, I will wait for the reviews (I will take cues from long running G2X for the rising black level issue) to avoid making an rash decisions.

Also, I am putting LG up on the contender list besides Samsung.
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post #3549 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by unap16 View Post

I'm in the exact same boat as you are. However, I will wait for the reviews (I will take cues from long running G2X for the rising black level issue) before making an rash decisions.

Also, I am putting LG up on the contender list besides Samsung.

Good ideas and great choices !
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post #3550 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I will check the hours on the panel tonight. The rise, by the numbers, is minor but it is definitely higher than previous readings.

With 206 hours on the panel, the black level measurement is 0.0086fL. This represents a 0.002fL rise since it was calibrated (calibration occured at 100 hours).
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post #3551 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by twkatadin View Post

Sorry about that, I hadn't read the black level thread in a while. I knew they had not officially acknowledged the quick jumps as a defect, but I had thought that customer support had told some people that it was a known issue and they were working to fix it. It's really sad that they've now changed their stance on that and are using the press release as an excuse to screw over those with suddenly jumping black levels. That's pretty low.

As I mentioned, my first contact with Panasonic (early January 2010) was quite positive. I spoke with a CSR. Later the same day a manager who had someone from engineering get on the phone with us. The engineer acknowledged that this was a known "Problem" with the 2009 sets and Panasonic was working hard to come up with a fix and said fix would probably be software/firmware based. With both the manager and engineer on the phone, I asked what happens if a fix is not found. The manager replied that Panasonic stands behind their equipment and they would "Make it right".

My second contact with Panasonic was after seeing their reply to David K. at cNet. Went through the same procedure a second time (except I already had a case number). This time it took about a week and several additional calls before a manager would speak to me. At this time, they did not want me to speak to technical support. When they finally acquiesced, the statement that Panasonic released to cNet was repeated to me over and over, almost verbatim. I inquired at that time about the statement from my original contact concerning Panasonic making things right. I was told that either I misunderstood (I did not and did feel insulted by the tone) and/or the original people I spoke with obviously did not know what they were talking about. Bottom line was, my TV was functioning as designed. If this was not satisfactory they were truly sorry but there is no fix for a TV that is working correctly.

They did wish me a nice day. What more could I ask for.

Instead of extra sets of 3D glasses to go with the newer, larger set I was contemplating for 2010, I guess I will do as the funny looking little gentleman in the video from You-Tube suggested and purchase sunglasses for myself and my wife.

Actually, I am now getting used to gray. Gray is really very pretty. Why would anyone want their picture to be a shade of black.

As Huey Newton once said "Gray is Beautiful".
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post #3552 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by qphillips06 View Post

2010 models are 1x better than 2009 in luminous efficiency.

2008 - 2x luminous efficiency compared to 2007
2009 - 3x luminous efficiency compared to 2007
2010 - 4x luminous efficiency compared to 2007

With 2007 as the baseline:

2008 uses 50% power.
2009 uses 33.3% power.
2010 uses 25% power.

So, compared to 2007, the difference from 2009 to 2010 is 8.3% less power.

By taking 8.3% off of 33.3%, they made a 25% reduction from 2009 to 2010; but the amount of power that % represents gets less each year, hence the comparison to 2007.
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post #3553 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:42pm
I simply Can't believe people are still talking about "Black" issues.

The conversation ends, then the same crap gets discussed 2 pages later.

If you want your questions answered, read the last 119 pages of this thread.

If that's not enough, then use the CORRECT Thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...67339&page=204
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post #3554 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

With 206 hours on the panel, the black level measurement is 0.0086fL. This represents a 2fL rise since it was calibrated (calibration occured at 100 hours).

Any chance you could run for another ~200+ hours to see what the level ends up being at around 500 hours?
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post #3555 of 5876
3/3/10 at 4:51pm
panasonic direct sales is saying early april on 54g25 and late april on 54vt25...can anyone confirm?
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post #3556 of 5876
3/3/10 at 5:11pm
Link for the tc-p54vt25 ? (I don't see it listed)
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post #3557 of 5876
3/3/10 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

IMO I'd go with a Sammy plasma and was going to if I didnt find a Kuro which I did . Panny was my first choice until I'll finally got it threw my thick skull and excepted the fact of what Panny did and is doing to a very dedicated group of customers

And then you visit their threads and head about buzzing and calibrators who suggest the black levels of the current ( 09 ) Samsungs are worse than the 09 Pannys after they have had black levels rising.

I guess if I were in the market for a 58 inch or smaller set the decision would be a bit more difficult because of the many options. But for anyone wanting a 65 inch set, assuming they can live with the 6 or so percent reduction in the 63 inch screen, have few options and none without some consequence potential.

If the Panny AFTER black level rise still has better black levels than the Samsungs, then my decision will be even easier... pick the lesser of the poisons and move forward A bargain basement V10 might so the trick... the $1100 I spent on the 58 inch S1 will work well for the family room after going bigger for up here!
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3/3/10 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

With 206 hours on the panel, the black level measurement is 0.0086fL. This represents a 2fL rise since it was calibrated (calibration occured at 100 hours).

So if you figure the average viewer has their TV on 4-5 hours a day, it takes less than 2 months to go from 0.0065 to 0.0086. 6 hours a day and that's a month and a couple days.

That's pretty crazy. Hope the G2X and VT2X start a LOT lower to offset that eventual 3x increase :P
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post #3559 of 5876
3/3/10 at 5:18pm
Hi guys, little question. I'm doubting about buying the new Panny V20 but the whole black level issue kinda scared me. After browsing a bit I found an offer for a brand spanking new 5020FD for around 1000$. You guys think I should stick with the V20 (or maybe G20) or go for the Kuro? Also got an offer of 1900$ for the 5080XD...
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3/3/10 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by NikoDM View Post

Hi guys, little question. I'm doubting about buying the new Panny V20 but the whole black level issue kinda scared me. After browsing a bit I found an offer for a brand spanking new 5020FD for around 1000$. You guys think I should stick with the V20 (or maybe G20) or go for the Kuro? Also got an offer of 1900$ for the 5080XD...

If you found the Kuro through an authorized dealer, then definitely go for it! Sounds too good to be true to me. Where did you find the "offer" if you don't mind me asking?
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post #3561 of 5876
3/3/10 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by curly21029 View Post

If you found the Kuro through an authorized dealer, then definitely go for it! Sounds too good to be true to me. Where did you find the "offer" if you don't mind me asking?

Belgium A retailer near brussels God only knows why he offers it at such a low price, that's why I'm going to check it first
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3/3/10 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by QZ1 View Post

Link for the tc-p54vt25 ? (I don't see it listed)

I actually called the (800) 211-PANA number they list as their support number. The rep there forwarded me to what he called the direct sales dept. The lady I spoke with there told me early to mid april for the 54G25 and late april for the 54VT25. Also told me MSRP on G25 is 1999.95 and VT25 is 2999.95. Dont know how those prices will actually play out but that is what she told me...
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post #3563 of 5876
3/3/10 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by jdavis37 View Post

And then you visit their threads and head about buzzing and calibrators who suggest the black levels of the current ( 09 ) Samsungs are worse than the 09 Pannys after they have had black levels rising.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's very accurate. The buzzing, yes, the black levels, no. Plus not all of the Sammy's buzz. In the end, they both have their plusses and minuses. It's up to the consumer to decide which they are willing to live with. Also, hopefully the buzz will be fixed in the C series Sammy and also the black level issue will be fixed in the VT series Panny. :crosses fingers:
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3/3/10 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by motoracer51 View Post

What are our options, given the price range, besides Panasonic? I kind of leaning towards a LG LH90 but am skeptical about the technology after enjoying plasma for so long.

The LH90 was the only LCD that made me seriously consider switching from plasma. Post-calibration PQ is stunning. Still, LCD motion was a deal-breaker for me. The tech is getting better, but phosphor-based tech is still lightyears ahead in terms of motion handling.

Pulled the trigger today. Cashed in the warranty on my 50G10 for a PRO-101FD. When it came down to it, I just wanted to be done with the issues. After D-Nice concluded that the S2 was rising I knew that Panasonic was unlikely to make any attempt to fix the problem on the higher-end models. Concerning Samsung, their less than sterling IR reputation concerned me as a gamer, but I am impressed with the 2009's PQ and I'm sure that the 2010s will be very nice.

It was more than I planned to spend on 50", but I snagged the 101FD at a fantastic price... less than the 50VT25 is listed for on Cleveland Plasma. Too good a deal to pass up and I feel like I've purchased "peace of mind." One week until it adorns the TV stand that once played host to the 50G10.
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3/3/10 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by jdavis37 View Post

And then you visit their threads and head about buzzing and calibrators who suggest the black levels of the current ( 09 ) Samsungs are worse than the 09 Pannys after they have had black levels rising......If the Panny AFTER black level rise still has better black levels than the Samsungs, then my decision will be even easier... pick the lesser of the poisons and move forward A bargain basement V10 might so the trick... the $1100 I spent on the 58 inch S1 will work well for the family room after going bigger for up here!

This has by no means been established. D-Nice recorded 0.0229 on the B860 for the shootout. Many people believe that the thinner 8 series do not have as deep of black levels as the 5/6 series panels. Indeed, Chad B and Tom Huffman measured 5/6 series 2009 Samsungs in the low to upper teens for ftL.

So if the Pannys all end up with black levels well over 0.020, such as 0.024 or more, then you cannot claim that Panasonics have better black levels after the rise.

Besides, the only thing that even made the Panasonics competitive with the Sammys on PQ was the deeper black levels and slightly better motion. Once you take away the advantage of short-lived black levels, the Panasonic clearly falls behind--save for the V10 model which does give you a properly functioning 96hz, which is broken on the '09 Samsungs.

The Sammys have better colors, better processing, better styling, better picture controls, PIP, 3 extra months of warranty, and the Panasonics (if they have a fixed THX), are highly accurate at the expense of a dimmer picture. The Sammies in movie mode can output more light than the Panasonics by default in THX.

Even before the black level debacle, many people (including myself) preferred the pic on the Sammys. With elevated black levels it's not even close--the Sammys are clearly superior now, provided you get one that is not a total buzzer.

The Panasonics are more reliable--so what! Find a Samsung that does not buzz and get a nice long warranty on it, if you do not upgrade very frequently (like I do). Me personally, I would likely sell the Samsung as the warranty draws near to expiring.
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3/3/10 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdavis37 View Post

And then you visit their threads and head about buzzing and calibrators who suggest the black levels of the current ( 09 ) Samsungs are worse than the 09 Pannys after they have had black levels rising.

I guess if I were in the market for a 58 inch or smaller set the decision would be a bit more difficult because of the many options. But for anyone wanting a 65 inch set, assuming they can live with the 6 or so percent reduction in the 63 inch screen, have few options and none without some consequence potential.

If the Panny AFTER black level rise still has better black levels than the Samsungs, then my decision will be even easier... pick the lesser of the poisons and move forward A bargain basement V10 might so the trick... the $1100 I spent on the 58 inch S1 will work well for the family room after going bigger for up here!

Fat model Samsungs I've seen measured anywhere between .009-.015 fL. The thin models are in the lower .02X range.

2008/2009 Panasonics, after black level rise (which occurs pretty fast relatively speaking), measure anywhere from .015-.03X fL.

So in terms of black level, 2009 Samsung is for all practical purposes equal or superior to Panasonic.

Now combine that with Samsung's far superior AR filters for bright room contrast, and impressive calibration potential, and Samsung is unquestionably the picture quality winner of 2009.
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3/3/10 at 6:13pm
how much does the Kuro 5090 cost in the US ? I heared someting about 1000-1300 Dollar... wow, thats a good price... I sold my 6 month old 5090 for
2500 Euros (Germany ), 3 weeks ago...
One question: Does the 2008 Panasonics also have this blacklevel rising issue, especially the PZ85E Series ?

@D-nice

have you any information on the 2011 models from panasonic ? Do you think, that this year we will see a flat tv, that rivals the kuro Elite in terms of blacklevel performence or do we have to wait until 2011 ?
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3/3/10 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by scorpio_87 View Post

Fat model Samsungs I've seen measured anywhere between .009-.015 fL. The thin models are in the lower .02X range.

2008/2009 Panasonics, after black level rise (which occurs pretty fast relatively speaking), measure anywhere from .015-.03X fL.

So in terms of black level, 2009 Samsung is for all practical purposes equal or superior to Panasonic.

Now combine that with Samsung's far superior AR filters for bright room contrast, and impressive calibration potential, and Samsung is unquestionably the picture quality winner of 2009.

Thx... I've been curious where the Samsungs are and where the Pannys settle out. The 09 Samsungs I saw in stores seemed to run much hotter ( temeprature wise ) than did the Pannys and also seemed to have more dispalyable IR but no way of knowing how long each had been on display. I do know that 63 inches is about 6.5% less viewing area and 65 already was becoming smallish after having it for 4 years.

Luckily, my warranty company has had my check in the mail for 2 weeks now and said tonight it will be another 2-3 weeks.. very slow mail where they are! Just means I am not in any hurry unless a well priced V10 appears and that seems less likely as well around here. I am open minded to Samsung even though smaller in size if it turns out to make more sense.. the 590's are still a litlte higher than i care for and I think I'll wait for the 10's to see if the ehat part has been improved.. lower power usage should translate to less heat. The S1 Pannys offer little in the way of user color control.

I'm not seeking perfection in a set though.. just reliable and a good overall picture so we'll see how this shakes out as the large screen sets creep out! Thx for the Samsung versus Panny information.. is helpful.
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3/3/10 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

I had the 55 LH90 and really wanted to love the set (especially the price and size) , but the banding on scenes that panned was terrible and I don't mean color banding. There were literally 3 3 to 4 inch horizontal strips that that were of different brightness that could easily be noticed on any light colored scene that panned vertically. I wanted to puke when I watched the scene on Planet Earth where the polar bear slid down the snow slope and I first saw the banding. I was made equally ill when playing any video game where there is vertical panning like any flight combat game where there is a light blue partly cloudy sky. Then there was the opening scene in the Fifth Element where the professor is reading the hieroglyphics and the screen panned on the light tan wall, you could easily make out perfectly rectangular zones that were of different brightness. These are just a few of the banding examples let alone the Olympics. If it wasn't for this major issue this set would have more than done the job it was supposed to. Perhaps the 47 inch model is better , but I tried 2 55 inch models and they both had this issue and the second one through in some vertical banding for good measure.

One day I strolled into my local Magnolia and found out they were sitting on a supply of pro-101fd's and the rest is history. If I would have known this sooner I probably wouldn't have messed around with anything else. I ended up replacing 2tv's this year and it has not been fun.

Ditto. I return my LH90 for the same reason. Now I am waiting on the G20 to come in to my local Best Buy.

On another note. We play a lot of PS3 and Wii and Xbox. Does anyone know how those look on the 50G20 before I pull the trigger?
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3/3/10 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

Indeed, Chad B and Tom Huffman measured 5/6 series 2009 Samsungs in the low to upper teens for ftL.

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Originally Posted by scorpio_87 View Post

Fat model Samsungs I've seen measured anywhere between .009-.015 fL.

Dang, I've been comforting myself thinking my S1s post-rise blacks would be at least as good or somewhat better than Samsungs. Now you guys are telling me I picked Panny's "now you see now you dont" blacks over Sammy's kickass colors and sharpness for nothing? And both of my S1s buzz too! lol
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