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post #4561 of 5876
The biggest difference is that the UK version has a (somewhat limited) Colour Management System. It's a 2D CMS that lets you alter the Saturation and Hue of R,G and B.

I have to say, it really is unusual that the boot is on the other foot and the Euro models feature something the US ones don't. But don't worry about the loss too much - I didn't have to make use of the CMS much at all on the UK model I calibrated.
post #4562 of 5876
I'm currently close to pulling the trigger on getting a 65V10 for about $3k shipped. I haven't seen anything on the upcoming 65VT20 that is supposed to be 3D ready.

Any suggestions / details of the upcoming models? Do you know if a PS3 will be able to play 3d blu ray movies?

Thanks!
-Zo
post #4563 of 5876
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Originally Posted by TurboZo View Post

I'm currently close to pulling the trigger on getting a 65V10 for about $3k shipped. I haven't seen anything on the upcoming 65VT20 that is supposed to be 3D ready.

Any suggestions / details of the upcoming models? Do you know if a PS3 will be able to play 3d blu ray movies?

Thanks!
-Zo

first...try getting a little bit more off the v10, i know the cost to be much lower, and yes the PS3 will be 3D capable when Sony releases a firmware update in the near-but-not-too-near future
post #4564 of 5876
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Originally Posted by jponte55 View Post

Tell us sir, what is your expert opinion on visible difference in black levels when there is content on the screen. Even better could your highly trained eyes spot the difference between .01 and .04 without them side by side? I'm a noob so I'm interested in what the experts have to say. Thanks

1) I'm not an expert. D-Nice is an expert. I'm just a vocal person with strong opinions.
2) It really depends on the type of content. There are blacks that only appear for a couple of seconds, usually preceded by or followed right after by some bright content. In a dark room, this will cause your pupils to alternately dilate and contract. Then there is another type of content (think 2001: A Space Odyssey) where you have extended periods of dark black content on the screen, and your eyes have much more time to fully adjust to the dark, because there has not been any bright content on in a while. There is a striking difference between 0.004 and 0.001 on these types of scenes.

Suffice it to say, that I agree with D-Nice that there is a visible difference between 0.001 and 0.004, but that doesn't guarantee any particular person will care much about it. Some people are totally oblivious to subtle differences in black levels, and other people are literally obsessed. All I can say is that I personally appreciate the extra deep blacks you get at 0.001, and there is even room for further improvement beyond this.

You shouldn't have much trouble discerning the difference in blacks between the 9G Kuros and Sony's 11 inch OLED. I think it would be neat to see a demo of LG's new 15 inch OLED next to a 500M in the dark.
post #4565 of 5876
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

1) You shouldn't have much trouble discerning the difference in blacks between the 9G Kuros and Sony's 11 inch OLED. I think it would be neat to see a demo of LG's new 15 inch OLED next to a 500M in the dark.

I have to wonder if OLED is going to be strangled in the crib. Sony pulling the plug on their operation can't bode well for LG or any other manufacturer.
post #4566 of 5876
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Originally Posted by TurboZo View Post

I'm currently close to pulling the trigger on getting a 65V10 for about $3k shipped. I haven't seen anything on the upcoming 65VT20 that is supposed to be 3D ready. Any suggestions / details of the upcoming models?

That's because there is no 65VT20 planned. AFAIK the VT20 series is only available in the 50" size. The 65 incher will be a VT25. Other VT25 sizes will be 50", 54", and 58". Any model with a VT in the model number will be 3D.
post #4567 of 5876
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I have to wonder if OLED is going to be strangled in the crib. Sony pulling the plug on their operation can't bode well for LG or any other manufacturer.

I think Sony pulling the plug on OLED in Japan can only be taken for what Sony plans to do within their company worldwide.

If we only knew why the are dropping it, it would give us some insite into what the others may or may not do.

It by itself isn't enough to make any assumptions for the other manufacturers.
post #4568 of 5876
what blacklevel does the X20/X25 series have. Do all the 2010 Panasonic have the new cell structure or does the X20/X25 series have the old 2009 technologie ?
post #4569 of 5876
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Originally Posted by nicholc2 View Post

D-Nice, what were the final hours on the S2 and final black measurement you came up with? Initial too if you don't mind so both are in the same final post on that subject. :-)

0.0065fL to 0.0098fL. I stopped monitoring the black levels after 325 hours and stopped using the display itself around 332 hours.
post #4570 of 5876
So I read that the hdmi 1.4a minimum required spec maxes out in 3D with 1080p@24hz (x2).

Anyone know if the vt20/vt25 supports 1080p@60hz(x2) input, or is it limited to the 1080p@24hz (x2) input defined in hdmi 1.4a?

(Apparently the connector has the bandwidth for it, so it could be supported)

-scheherazade
post #4571 of 5876
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Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post

So I read that the hdmi 1.4a minimum required spec maxes out in 3D with 1080p@24hz (x2).

Anyone know if the vt20/vt25 supports 1080p@60hz(x2) input, or is it limited to the 1080p@24hz (x2) input defined in hdmi 1.4a?

(Apparently the connector has the bandwidth for it, so it could be supported)

-scheherazade

From what I hear since the VT can do 96hz it'll be 1080p@48p(x2) for 3D, not sure what effect that'll have with the flicker problem.
post #4572 of 5876
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

0.0065fL to 0.0098fL. I stopped monitoring the black levels after 325 hours and stopped using the display itself around 332 hours.

So that's about 1.5x increase in 325 hours. So if that keep up, one could expect it to be at 3x by 650 hours. That still seems kind of fast to me. In your experience, is that slower than the increase on the '09 models, or is that about the same?

Either way, I am definitely looking forward to some long term tests on the VT series to see how low it starts and how fast it rises. I'm sure hoping for the best on that one.
post #4573 of 5876
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Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post

So I read that the hdmi 1.4a minimum required spec maxes out in 3D with 1080p@24hz (x2).

Anyone know if the vt20/vt25 supports 1080p@60hz(x2) input, or is it limited to the 1080p@24hz (x2) input defined in hdmi 1.4a?

(Apparently the connector has the bandwidth for it, so it could be supported)

-scheherazade

Ah. I wonder if that's why Nvdia's new 3DTV software (allows tv manufacturer's glasses to work with NVision) seems so backwards. I couldn't figure out why they're listing 1080P@24hz and then labeling 720P@60hz as the recommended gaming resolution. That's such a step backwards from the 1080@60hz (120 hz counting both eyes) that's being supported with dual-DVI on the 120hz monitors.
post #4574 of 5876
Opinions please. I was thinking about getting and then started looking for a 65inch V10. Had a hard time finding, heard they were going to be dropped. Then saw a 6020 I was thinking about getting. Should I get the 6020? Is it old technology? Wait for these new Panny 65's? V20 or V25? Im not sure what the new model is.
Help.

Thanks
post #4575 of 5876
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Originally Posted by Activefun View Post

Opinions please. I was thinking about getting and then started looking for a 65inch V10. Had a hard time finding, heard they were going to be dropped. Then saw a 6020 I was thinking about getting. Should I get the 6020? Is it old technology? Wait for these new Panny 65's? V20 or V25? Im not sure what the new model is.
Help.

Thanks

Get the 6020 and enjoy it for several years.
Maybe by 2012 Panasonic will have figured out how to beat a KURO.
post #4576 of 5876
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Originally Posted by Activefun View Post

Opinions please. I was thinking about getting and then started looking for a 65inch V10. Had a hard time finding, heard they were going to be dropped. Then saw a 6020 I was thinking about getting. Should I get the 6020? Is it old technology? Wait for these new Panny 65's? V20 or V25? Im not sure what the new model is.
Help.

Thanks

I would go with the 6020.
post #4577 of 5876
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

0.0065fL to 0.0098fL. I stopped monitoring the black levels after 325 hours and stopped using the display itself around 332 hours.


Are you monitoring the 2010 G model MLL levels? If so, how many hours are on it, and has the MLL risen at all?

Will there be a flat panel shootout this July?
post #4578 of 5876
Went to our local Best Buy last night hoping to see a G20; they had a single 50G10 on display and no other Panasonic of any kind. However, there were lots of Insignia displays from which to choose.
post #4579 of 5876
All my local best buys apparently have g20 in stock since last week, but still not up on display. They have the vt20 though.
post #4580 of 5876
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Originally Posted by slb View Post

Went to our local Best Buy last night hoping to see a G20; they had a single 50G10 on display and no other Panasonic of any kind. However, there were lots of Insignia displays from which to choose.

Im seeing the same thing. There are no tv's out there to choose from. So is it process of elimination? Or wait for new models. When will they be in stores?
post #4581 of 5876
What is the replacement for a V10 65?
post #4582 of 5876
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

0.0065fL to 0.0098fL. I stopped monitoring the black levels after 325 hours and stopped using the display itself around 332 hours.

So, for us non-experts, what conclusions did you draw? Is this indicative of a problem or is it more like typical plasma burn-in at work?

Thanks.
post #4583 of 5876
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Originally Posted by Paul33993 View Post

Ah. I wonder if that's why Nvdia's new 3DTV software (allows tv manufacturer's glasses to work with NVision) seems so backwards. I couldn't figure out why they're listing 1080P@24hz and then labeling 720P@60hz as the recommended gaming resolution. That's such a step backwards from the 1080@60hz (120 hz counting both eyes) that's being supported with dual-DVI on the 120hz monitors.

HD Guru mentions 3d in 2 modes
96hz and 120hz
http://hdguru.com/

However, the 120hz could just be 24 fps, refreshed multiple times per frame.

-scheherazade
post #4584 of 5876
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

1) I'm not an expert. D-Nice is an expert. I'm just a vocal person with strong opinions.
2) It really depends on the type of content. There are blacks that only appear for a couple of seconds, usually preceded by or followed right after by some bright content. In a dark room, this will cause your pupils to alternately dilate and contract. Then there is another type of content (think 2001: A Space Odyssey) where you have extended periods of dark black content on the screen, and your eyes have much more time to fully adjust to the dark, because there has not been any bright content on in a while. There is a striking difference between 0.004 and 0.001 on these types of scenes.

Suffice it to say, that I agree with D-Nice that there is a visible difference between 0.001 and 0.004, but that doesn't guarantee any particular person will care much about it. Some people are totally oblivious to subtle differences in black levels, and other people are literally obsessed. All I can say is that I personally appreciate the extra deep blacks you get at 0.001, and there is even room for further improvement beyond this.

You shouldn't have much trouble discerning the difference in blacks between the 9G Kuros and Sony's 11 inch OLED. I think it would be neat to see a demo of LG's new 15 inch OLED next to a 500M in the dark.

Just pop in a bluray with black bars top and bottom, the deeper blacks are immediately evident and pleasurable when the bars melt into the black bezel. vs. less black bars that stand out like a sore thumb. TYVM Pioneer.
post #4585 of 5876
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

0.0065fL to 0.0098fL. I stopped monitoring the black levels after 325 hours and stopped using the display itself around 332 hours.

I may be wrong but that climb in Blacks Levels doesn't look gradual to me. Panny seems to be following the same ole trend as 2009. Anyway thanks for the advice to wait for the upcoming 2011 models.
post #4586 of 5876
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Originally Posted by Activefun View Post

What is the replacement for a V10 65?

VT25, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
post #4587 of 5876
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Originally Posted by Activefun View Post

Im seeing the same thing. There are no tv's out there to choose from. So is it process of elimination? Or wait for new models. When will they be in stores?

I don't know...I checked BB's website and it indictaed that our local store had the G20 in stock. They may have had them, just none on display. In reality, I'm not in the market for a new display, but I like keeping up with what's current. I'm really looking forward to next year's models, which I think may finally allow me to afford/achieve black-level-nirvana.
post #4588 of 5876
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

From what I hear since the VT can do 96hz it'll be 1080p@48p(x2) for 3D, not sure what effect that'll have with the flicker problem.

It is actually 60Hz per eye. That is what Panasonic representative told me
at my local BestBuy when showing the VT20 model.
I've watched the 3D demo closely and have not seen any disturbing flicker
that you can definitely notice @48Hz. I'd say it was virtually flicker free (and I am very sensitive to it).
post #4589 of 5876
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Originally Posted by dumon View Post

It is actually 60Hz per eye. That is what Panasonic representative told me
at my local BestBuy when showing the VT20 model.
I've watched the 3D demo closely and have not seen any disturbing flicker
that you can definitely notice @48Hz. I'd say it was virtually flicker free (and I am very sensitive to it).

How was the panasonic 3d demo? Did it have many pop out effects like the 3d in the movie theater had?
post #4590 of 5876
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Originally Posted by knoxvegas98 View Post

Wow that is amazing. I will probably wait until there are panasonic 3d demos in my area then and maybe until the 58 in model comes out. How big of a screen did you see? Anyone else seen a panasonic 3d demo?

Amazing but not surprising.....the RealD theater presentations use "Dumb" passive polorized glasses, wheras the home 3D TVs use "Smart" active electronic stereoscopic glasses......

This added ability from the glasses should provide the potential for superior 3D performance at home
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