Panasonic 2010 Plasma Models - Page 193

If you read this thread you would have known that review is written very bad. Next time do your homework.

Can Panasonic roll out Netflix on Viera Cast already so I can stop using the torch that is the PS3.... Thanks.

- Other then that the G20/25 is a great TV!

I wonder if they have an exclusive deal with Amazon?

See how cheap looking the top-of-the-line Panasonic is next to the Pioneer. Hopefully, when Panasonic does come out with their version of Kuro...it will look like the Pioneer Kuro (just replace the label!).

I own a Pioneer and even I don't think the Panasonics look that bad (not the high-end models, anyways).

The VT and Z series look pretty nice, IMHO, and if you are looking for something that is basic and classy, you can always get a Panasonic pro monitor.

(I don't know if the pro monitors are going to have the same problems as the consumer models though. I'd like to find out more about that.)

That isn't the top of the line Panasonic. Go take a look at the VT25 or Z1. And of course, Panasonic also manages to make their ugliest plasmas look much more horrendous in pictures than they really are in person.

I love Pioneer's styling, but I don't see Panasonic designing their consumer sets like that next year. They just seem to be against simple unadorned frames on anything but their commercial models.

What is with you? Your last four posts have been about how ugly the Panasonics are. You like the design of the Pioneer - we get it - but you don't need to keep repeating your complaints about the Panasonic's aesthetics here in the Panasonic thread. And like Scorpio said, your picture is of a G series (which is not the top of the line) and the G looks a lot classier and overall better in person than it does in their drab online pictures. The VT series looks even better.

And not everybody likes that 2" thick flat slab of black mirror finish bezel surrounding the Kuro's screen - it's a lot thicker than the Panasonic's thinner bezel and is so reflective that i've literally parted my hair in the Kuro's bezel when watching TV so get off your high horse. The Kuro looks like a Samsung for crying out loud

OK, I just returned from my local BB store. I saw their 50" VT20. I watched it for quite a while and compared it to the LEDs that were playing. The picture looked good, BUT, skin tones/scenes a little "greenish", the reds were a little "hot pinkish", and the picture was not as bright or sharp as the nearby LEDs. I REALLY want to change to a PLASMA. Comments???. Also, the largest (w/BB anyway) was a 54". Why am I thinking there's a 58"?

Because there is a 58 and 65 inch model, though neither is quite available yet....

Panasonic TC-P58VT25
Panasonic TC-P65VT25

Well, you were comparing pictures at a BB. I guess that's our only option though for viewing in person. Maybe some mom and pop stores have darker settings to view them in. Anyone remember The Good Guys store? They had a nice dark setting to view TV's in.
Anyway, they do have bigger TV's, just not on display. Also, make sure to ask the BB TV guy to show you one of the plasma that's been calibrated. You will see a difference then. The new Panasonic plasmas are plenty bright enough, maybe not enough to blind you like the LED's, but they'll do the job.

put that lower lip on the Kuro and it will look just as ugly. it's that weird lower part that makes all the difference.

but it really isn't a big deal because you should be concentrating on the picture, unless whatever you're watching is too boring. Besides, I'm sure there are worse eye-sores in people's living rooms aside from the tv (i.e a chip on the wall, permanent stains, clutter, etc)

The settings were probably off for the colors but as for the brightness and sharp picture, that was my first observations when I was starting out trying to decide what to get a couple months ago. I found that after I watched both sets for a while (the LED I was looking at was the Samsung 8500), the LED LCD looked overly sharp...almost unnatural. As for the brightness of the LCD, it was great for demo purposes but I would have to turn it down once I had it in my family room.

In the end though, if you like the ultra sharpness of the LED LCD's, maybe you should go that route...nothing wrong with that. To me the plasmas seem much more natural and I definitely see the motion 'stutter' of the LCD's...that's just me though.

So why do you REALLY want to go the plasma route?

I was shopping around BB for a new bedroom TV and the salesman HIGHLY suggested Panny above all other available brands. I was heavily considering an LG, but am now debating. First of all, what's the difference between the G25 and the G20???

Just the addition of Skype, for internet video calls. The G20 is sold at Best Buy so they won't have to price match their competition. Another major store, HHGregg, sells the G25, which more electronic stores and specialty shops will offer.

Incorrect. The only difference is the G25 can be used with a remote camera security system. The G20 is only sold at Best Buy and Sears, The G25 is at HHGregg and online retailers.

Our local BB Magnolia was/is pushing the "calibration" service when I ordered my 58VT25. The rep took me to a line up of displays up on the wall and asked me which set was calibrated. They had mostly Samsungs and LGs blasting away, rich colors, very bright. Then there was this Panasonic with great black and contrast, living life like color, etc. I said to the rep, that's the calibrated display. He looked at me surprised. He said most everyone picks the Samsung because it is real bright. He then said we set them like that. I said I know. The PQ of the calibrated Panasonic was way above the other displays but people are attracted to bright lights---like bugs. I passed on the calibration.

LOL, I know, people are attracted to those LED's like bugs. Problem is, the bezels on them are so beautiful and thin, people see that and the bright lights and are wowed. I watched people at BB, and every single one walked up to the wall and looked at the thickness of the TV. It is an attractive feature

So you were able to order the 58VT25? For some reason I thought that was an EPP thing only right now. When did they say the 58" would be available at BB?

Yes, the SKU# was listed in this forum last week. Mine is to arrive on 6/12. You will also see that the 65" is available for order as well.

It's the other way around; EPP not available right now.

Hey Jimmy, have you called BB to see if your delivery date can be moved up? (Maybe they got them in the wharehouse)

You must have been drinking coffee w/me this morning, I was thinking the same thing. I was in BB this morning but I was in a hurry and didn't check. Did you ever try to find a rep on a weekday morning? I may have time to check this afternoon. Worth trying.

I cannot even find a rep to pick up the phone...hehe. Seriously though, when I checked a few days ago, they told me the new delivery date for anyone ordering from now on would be 6/16. I am still set for 6/9, so I guess we shall see. I am trying to get a hold of someone now to see if they have any earlier dates now available.

No doubt, why don't they have all of them, netflix - blockbuster ... Didn't see Skype listed in the Vieracast menu and its also supposed to be able to do that. I haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Skype is there on mine, but not usable due to no camera connected.

I seen a review a few weeks ago while researching this TV and it had the Netflix app listed in the Vieracast section (either picture or video, can't remember). Although I thought it also said it was coming in June along with Twitter...Hopefully its coming soon.

Where do you see skype? Are you using a network dongle in your TV or Blu-ray player (have no idea if it matters, my BDT-350 came with the wireless dongle)? I don't know why all the movie renter's wouldn't be pushing to get their app's out - we've used BlockBuster's mail service for a long time, would be an easy switch if it was available.

It's in the Vieracast menu on my TV, and I'm using a network cable hooked directly into a 50" G20.
There were a couple of software updates for this model so far via the internet and it may have been included in one of them.

I've got the BDT-350 hooked up with a 1.3 hdmi cable, waiting for my 1.4. I wonder if the TV will be able to use the wireless connection of the player when I get the 1.4 cable. The player has updated, but i haven't seen the TV do any updates.

I hear the G20 has much better out of the box color temps and color accuracy then the previous G10, with a much improved THX mode as well.

Anyone had a meter to the G20 yet? How did it do?

I feel like I've written in this in just about every G2x thread already. I'll just include a URL this time.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1251051

Randy, don't you find the silver line below the tv distracting especially when watching in a darkened room? It's even protruding like Jay Leno's chin! The curvature I believe was designed to make the Panasonic logo more prominent because the curve refracts light on it. They used a chrome angled lip on the VT25 which would even cost more light reflections. And in the Z series they didn't do away with it. In fact they modified it to look like a bulging disc. Even worse, they made the TV in brushed metal silver (instead of black) and the lip is glossy thus accentuating instead of attenuating it.

Throughout their models (well maybe except one) Panny for some reason needed to incorporate this "feature". Although the VT25 and the Z1 are marked improvements in the aesthetics department (albeit costs 4k) I find the lip/chin distracting and it cheapens the look overall. Yes, the Pio has a thicker bezel but it's black and no curves so it disappears in the background. In fact Sony has redesigned their line similar to it which they call "monolithic" design.

http://www.acquiremag.com/2010/01/06/sonynx.jpg