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post #61 of 5848
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

So you guys are not impressed with the 2010 Panasonics???? Yes the aesthetics are blah (again), spec'ed contrast ratios are utter BS.... but.... the are better than the 12G Panasonics. I'm looking forward to reviewing these panels.

I'm looking forward to your review.


P.S. Will there be a shoot-out this year?
post #62 of 5848
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Really? The bezel looks a little different than the pictures they have on their website, especially the lip.

The website only shows the G25, not the G20.
post #63 of 5848
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

Even for me as a non-native speaker, this sentence is a complete nonsense. How can one increase an ifinite level, no matter of what? Infinite is infinite, by definition.

The same way that Thomas Jefferson was able to write: "in order to form a more perfect union".
post #64 of 5848
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1257521076

Abstract from Pioneer's 2009 Annual Report:

- "The Company resolved to transfer its patents for plasma display panels and modules to Panasonic Corporation at the Board of Directors’ meeting held on April 28, 2009. The two companies had executed the agreement on May 15, 2009. This constitutes part of the business restructuring effort in accordance with plans for a full withdrawal from the display business."

So, hopefully the new VT25 and G25 are the sons of the above purported Viera-Kuro marriage (Panasonic, out of their own self esteem, will never say that they now use Pioneer technology); if so, these new sets might be the new HDTV holy grail: last year's Kuros' deep blacks plus this year's new tech panels' higher intensity illumination, it's like having local dimming LED LCDs' contrast ratios and brightness without any of their cons (blooming, bad off-center PQ, laggy pixels). If they manage to sell them at even lower prices than the V10 and G10 (Hey Pany, remember, the recession is not over yet!), well, it's time we all hail "King Kuro is dead, long live Queen Viera!"
post #65 of 5848
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

That picture show's the G20 series (front bottom?????).

Nope, there is an image of a G20 in the press kit and its exactly as shown in the link below.

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us201...gn/lineup.html

Look at the edges at the top and bottom.Clearly a Z without the speakers attached.
post #66 of 5848
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

That picture show's the G20 series (front bottom?????).

It shows old 2009 models. Check video in post # 53.
post #67 of 5848
Frankly I do not give a hoot on how thin the panel is, how much porn people can stream straight to their TV, or 3-D for that matter; although I understand why some folks may desire these features. All I want is a worthy successor to my Kuro by surpassing it in actual picture quality rather than bogus numbers that are not observable in real world viewing sessions. Unless I want to watch a single pixel be retina scorchingly bright.

Crossing my fingers that black levels do not become nerfed over time or incorrect color reproduction.

Best Regards
KvE

PS I do agree Panasonic TVs bezel designs leave a fair amount to be desired. I like Samsungs 860 bezel, slick and simple.
post #68 of 5848
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Really? The bezel looks a little different than the pictures they have on their website, especially the lip.

Hmmm, I was comparing that picture with some of the "concept" docs I have. Perhaps, I was wrong.
post #69 of 5848
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Originally Posted by lekom View Post

It shows old 2009 models. Check video in post # 53.

Correct.





Everybody just check the video.
post #70 of 5848
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

So you guys are not impressed with the 2010 Panasonics???? Yes the aesthetics are blah (again), spec'ed contrast ratios are utter BS.... but.... the are better than the 12G Panasonics. I'm looking forward to reviewing these panels.

It's about what I expected. I really thought they would improve the bezels, something like last years Samsungs or the new plasmas LG just announced.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, is there any inside info you can talk about now? Obviously these contrast ratio numbers are BS, but i do have a few questions...

1) Do all the 1080p models have the new discharge method/AR filter/better minimum luminance? They list the V/G at 5mil:1 and the S at only 2mil.

2) On the website they state that they have developed a new filter that will keep blacks blacker and less reflections ect, is this just the same AR filter the Z1 had like you said in the past or is this something completely different?

3) So there is no "thin" plasma this year? I'm assuming they are all 2-3" thick?
post #71 of 5848
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Originally Posted by Rpresner View Post

ill wait until 2011 until someone buys this and says it equal or better to kuro elites with blacks... other than that all those features are meaningless...

I thought Panasonic bought the Kuru technology from Pioneer
post #72 of 5848
I love the panny but their designs remind me of a appliance. I like how sleek and modern Samsungs look.
post #73 of 5848
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Originally Posted by whosthekingnow View Post

Correct.





Everybody just check the video.

Why the name change Sampo? Do you really think you can sneak on this forum with yet another username???
post #74 of 5848
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Originally Posted by mlang46 View Post

I thought Panasonic bought the Kuru technology from Pioneer

They did.
post #75 of 5848
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Hmmm, I was comparing that picture with some of the "concept" docs I have. Perhaps, I was wrong.

post #76 of 5848
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Originally Posted by mlang46 View Post

I thought Panasonic bought the Kuru technology from Pioneer

they did but I do not know if they implemented them yet on these models or if they are going to come out with like another version of the z1 but with incorporated Kuro tech... thats what I hope they do. Like a 65 inch signature type ... for now i am happy I did not wait for 2010.. these TVs are better but I think 2011 or 2012 will be where that kuro tech comes into play... pleas someone correct me if I am wrong.

to me it seems like the new v series is my v10 with bret the hitman hart glasses...
post #77 of 5848
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post


Have you ever seen concept documents? Didn't think so as they would be beyond your reach.

If and when I'm wrong, I'm man enough to say it. Can't say the same, can you?
post #78 of 5848
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Have you ever seen concept documents? Didn't think so as they would be beyond your reach.

If and when I'm wrong, I'm man enough to say it. Can't say the same, can you?


Sure I can.................You were wrong.
post #79 of 5848
Wow, some of the whingeing in this thread is hilarious. To me the press release is totally appealing esp. for the 3D plasmas.

Retrospectively I'm glad I didn't spring for a plasma in '09 ... after a year in purgatory watching a cheap LCD it's time to bust open the piggy bank for a 58VT25 in '10.

It will have been worth the agonizing wait!
post #80 of 5848
If Panasonic can take just one thing from Pioneer, they should copy their bezels. I thought 2008 was all right, 2009 was pretty ugly save for the Z1, but 2010 looks absolutely horrific.
post #81 of 5848
Meh i think i'll pass on the 13G Panasonics.

I'll stick with the 12G till the 14G come out.
post #82 of 5848
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Originally Posted by vfr View Post

sure i can.................you were wrong.

lol
post #83 of 5848
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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

Wow, some of the whingeing in this thread is hilarious. To me the press release is totally appealing esp. for the 3D plasmas.

Retrospectively I'm glad I didn't spring for a plasma in '09 ... after a year in purgatory watching a cheap LCD it's time to bust open the piggy bank for a 58VT25 in '10.

It will have been worth the agonizing wait!

I haven't been following the 3d development much but this article seems to suggest we still have some ways to go. If they haven't even finalized the standard, I'm not sure I would drop several grands on it.


CES: Show exposes incomplete 3-D TV products
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s...leID=222200441
post #84 of 5848
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Originally Posted by mlang46 View Post

I thought Panasonic bought the Kuru technology from Pioneer

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Originally Posted by Leetthal View Post

Meh i think i'll pass on the 13G Panasonics.

I'll stick with the 12G till the 14G come out.

i agree with you and tfoltz
post #85 of 5848
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post

Sure I can.................You were wrong.

Let's see when you can man up and fess up to YOU being wrong. I have a nice list of items you attempted to attack me for that seem to be spot on.

Better yet, welcome back to my ignore list where you belong.
post #86 of 5848
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Originally Posted by Rpresner View Post

i agree with you and tfoltz

I think another year plenty time for 3D to die

and for Panasonic to Hire a new Design team and finally pass the Kuro

*crossing fingers*
post #87 of 5848
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Originally Posted by Leetthal View Post

I think another year plenty time for 3D to die

and for Panasonic to Hire a new Design team and finally pass the Kuro

*crossing fingers*


i hear ya... here is the scenerio I am hoping for... a 2011 panny with kuro tech at 65inches for around 5K...that would be nice
post #88 of 5848


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With superb color rendition and subtle gradation of tones, the new panel faithfully reproduces details of high-definition sources from the pure white of virgin snow to the jet black of night.

I know blacks get all the glory but finally having whites that actually look white is what I've been waiting for.
post #89 of 5848
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

So you guys are not impressed with the 2010 Panasonics???? Yes the aesthetics are blah (again), spec'ed contrast ratios are utter BS.... but.... the are better than the 12G Panasonics. I'm looking forward to reviewing these panels.

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Originally Posted by walt73 View Post

Wow, some of the whingeing in this thread is hilarious. To me the press release is totally appealing esp. for the 3D plasmas.

Retrospectively I'm glad I didn't spring for a plasma in '09 ... after a year in purgatory watching a cheap LCD it's time to bust open the piggy bank for a 58VT25 in '10.

It will have been worth the agonizing wait!

I think a lot of the harshest complaints come from people who were never SERIOUSLY considering a 2010 Panasonic Plasma in the first place.
post #90 of 5848
If you don't like the new panasonics why don't you just wait for the 2010 Kuros?

oh right...
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