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post #11761 of 15126
DonH50, thanks for the thoughts. Thirty years in the construction trades as a licensed, bonded and insured general contractor has schooled me on how much errors and omissions will impact the final billing. I appreciate everybody's thoughtful efforts to convince me to drag these subwoofers across my wife's washed, polished and deeply loved laminate floors.....ain't gonna happen.

Yes, agreed, I'm very familiar with how under a load, rolling tires will track smooth, polished surfaces with the dust and dirt adhering to the tires.

In construction, everything was either trucked or hand carried across finished flooring. Nothing was dragged.....ever. I've seen too many floors messed up because of soft finishes being marred. Nothing was dragged across tile either. We protected flooring with everything from drops, paper and plywood. Sometimes both paper and plywood were used.


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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/26/13 at 9:31am
post #11762 of 15126
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The wheels may still may marks (black scuff marks like shoes can leave)
The wheels actually did leave tire tracks on my pool patio. I was surprised that simply rolling something heavy would do that. They washed away with a little weather, though.
post #11763 of 15126
Huh? How did I end up on a home-improvement thread?

I have brand new floors in a home addition and I carried all my stuff. New floors can be delicate initially.

But back to subs! Still struggling to decide between piano black and matte (E15HP or F15HP) for Xmas purchase. Wonder how well the matte looks to those who have Rythmik subs in that style.

I might also get an LV12R for my secondary HT in the basement. My old SVS sub somehow got a damaged woofer and amp.

I know there was speculation Rythmik might produce a white matte version. Wonder if Brian or Enrico can address that.
post #11764 of 15126
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But back to subs! Still struggling to decide between piano black and matte (E15HP or F15HP) for Xmas purchase. Wonder how well the matte looks to those who have Rythmik subs in that style.
I have only seen oak and piano. I imagine the matte is similar to oak.
The oak looks like a plain, but well made sub. It is the sort of thing that doesn't draw the eye & lives in the background.
The piano looks gorgeous, like a striking piece of lacquer furniture.
If it's in view and WAF is a concern, I think you'll be happiest with piano.
post #11765 of 15126
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

DonH50, thanks for the thoughts. Thirty years in the construction trades as a licensed, bonded and insured general contractor has schooled me on how much errors and omissions will impact the final billing. I appreciate everybody's thoughtful efforts to convince me to drag these subwoofers across my wife's washed, polished and deeply loved laminate floors.....ain't gonna happen.

Yes, agreed, I'm very familiar with how under a load, rolling tires will track smooth, polished surfaces with the dust and dirt adhering to the tires.

In construction, everything was either trucked or hand carried across finished flooring. Nothing was dragged.....ever. I've seen too many floors messed up because of soft finishes being marred. Nothing was dragged across tile either. We protected flooring with everything from drops, paper and plywood. Sometimes both paper and plywood were used.


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Good grief, why ask us!?! You probably know more about this than anybody posting... My experience was a couple of decades helping deliver appliances, TVs, big stereos and the like. In addition to all the stuff you've mentioned we also kept "clean room booties" with us to wear in the house. Hopefully people will realize socks are a no-no -- they slip too easily on a polished floor.

Most consumers do not have a hand truck and would likely hurt themselves and the floor (at least) if they did.

To be clear for others, it is almost impossible to get a floor and the sliders or wheels clean enough to avoid some lingering piece of grit in the wrong place causing a fine scratch or two. Particularly for a high-gloss wood finish or tile (any scratch is highly visible). Sliders are especially good at locating such errant, hidden particles and bringing them into view for all to see. smile.gif I can relate horror stories and am sure you can relate many more. smile.gif We had a "clean" truck for high-profile deliveries (kept the wheels clean and bagged and it was never used outside; it also had synthetic wheels to *almost* eliminate marks, and the lip was plastic-coated with a thicker bumper around the outside).

I have built up floor protection and frankly it is a PITA, I feel for your situation. At least it's not vinyl (you have to put down carpet/cloth then plywood over that to prevent grooves; same is true for almost any very heavy thing over most any floor, however).
post #11766 of 15126
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My dual fv15hps are supposed to arrive on wed!! Can't wait!!

Haha we have the exact same system besides AVR.... only difference is mine is boxed up and in storage until January :(

post #11767 of 15126
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Originally Posted by jeffbar View Post

Huh? How did I end up on a home-improvement thread?

I have brand new floors in a home addition and I carried all my stuff. New floors can be delicate initially.

But back to subs! Still struggling to decide between piano black and matte (E15HP or F15HP) for Xmas purchase. Wonder how well the matte looks to those who have Rythmik subs in that style.

I might also get an LV12R for my secondary HT in the basement. My old SVS sub somehow got a damaged woofer and amp.

I know there was speculation Rythmik might produce a white matte version. Wonder if Brian or Enrico can address that.

I couldnt decide between finishes either. Went with black oak and i am happy. It is a nice but plain finish. I think it is suitable given the massive size of the sub. I think piano would just bring attention to the huge box!
post #11768 of 15126
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Huh? How did I end up on a home-improvement thread?

You haven't. With a shipping weight of a hundred and thirty pounds for a FV15HP, placement issues without tearing up the wife's floors are a real, serious consideration.
post #11769 of 15126
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Good grief, why ask us!?!

All I wanted to know was if I could use a hand truck. And as everybody recommended dragging, I responded, I can't drag anything and everybody kept recommending that I drag the thing across my wife's floor. I just wanted to make sure, from those who knew, if use of a hand truck would cause the FV15HP any harm. The rest of it I was good with.

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I have built up floor protection and frankly it is a PITA, I feel for your situation.

Thanks for understanding and posting this understanding in your above.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/26/13 at 12:50pm
post #11770 of 15126
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All I wanted to know was if I could use a hand truck. And as everybody recommended dragging, I responded, I can't drag anything and everybody kept recommending that I drag the thing across my wife's floor. I just wanted to make sure, from those who knew, if use of a hand truck would cause the FV15HP any harm. The rest of it I was good with.
Thanks for understanding and posting this understanding in your above.

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I vote for dragging...  The hand truck will leave grooves.

post #11771 of 15126
You know, I'm pretty sure that dragging is out. rolleyes.gif
post #11772 of 15126
I recommend dragging it!
post #11773 of 15126
LOL! I'm okay with dragging it but the tears of disappointment are like the tears in a little girl's eyes. I don't know many guys that can stand up to the tears of a seventy year old woman crying because her stupid husband damaged "HER" floor. It just ain't worth it guys. But rest assured, if I thought I could drag it and get away with it, I would.

Before I receive the FV15HPs, I'm in an excellent position to do some realtime, REW testing with the subs we do have. I mention this as I'm under the impression that when the FV15HPs arrive, they'll be placed in their final resting place and they will die there. tongue.gif
post #11774 of 15126
Just ordered my 2nd fv15hp. I have a sealed off 2050 cubic feet square room. I can't wait!!!
post #11775 of 15126
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Huh? How did I end up on a home-improvement thread?

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post #11776 of 15126
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LOL! I'm okay with dragging it but the tears of disappointment are like the tears in a little girl's eyes. I don't know many guys that can stand up to the tears of a seventy year old woman crying because her stupid husband damaged "HER" floor. It just ain't worth it guys. But rest assured, if I thought I could drag it and get away with it, I would.

Before I receive the FV15HPs, I'm in an excellent position to do some realtime, REW testing with the subs we do have. I mention this as I'm under the impression that when the FV15HPs arrive, they'll be placed in their final resting place and they will die there. tongue.gif

If you use a hand truck the situation will be groovy -  but not in a good way...

post #11777 of 15126
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If you use a hand truck the situation will be groovy -  but not in a good way...

Thanks for the thought.

Big tire hand trucks eliminate this problem. Most folks I see using hand trucks, use hand trucks with small, narrow, hard (no air) tires. I use hand trucks with large, wide tires that are filled with air; pneumatic tires . This style of hand truck costs a bit more but once you've used this style hand truck, you'll understand when I post, money well spent.

(I'm dying here.....waiting to put the order in for a pair of FV15HPs)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/26/13 at 3:23pm
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post #11779 of 15126
My hand truck has pneumatic tires as well. Not only to the spread the load and mar less, but they cushion the load better. And your arms!
post #11780 of 15126
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My hand truck has pneumatic tires as well. Not only to the spread the load and mar less, but they cushion the load better. And your arms!

Well, I guess I'll find out if the FV15HPs can handle having a hand truck slipped under them when they arrive. Yes, as you suggested, all professional considerations will be taken as I don't want to muck up either floor or subwoofer.
post #11781 of 15126
All ready for my FV15HP to arrive tomorrow!

Just built my own subdude, I had a lot of vibration/rattles with my PL200 on our hardwood floors. I ended up wrapping some 3/4" MDF in black carpet and then used some black foam I had laying around for the underneath, I think this will work great. Since I already had the wood, adhesive and foam, I just had to buy carpet which cost me less than $10.

I will post some pics when I get everything set up.
post #11782 of 15126
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Originally Posted by jeffbar View Post

Huh? How did I end up on a home-improvement thread?

I have brand new floors in a home addition and I carried all my stuff. New floors can be delicate initially.

But back to subs! Still struggling to decide between piano black and matte (E15HP or F15HP) for Xmas purchase. Wonder how well the matte looks to those who have Rythmik subs in that style.

I might also get an LV12R for my secondary HT in the basement. My old SVS sub somehow got a damaged woofer and amp.

I know there was speculation Rythmik might produce a white matte version. Wonder if Brian or Enrico can address that.

I need to charge more if we do that :-) We need to wear white gloves to assemble those subs with extra finesse. We don't have a plan for that yet. Even if we do in the future, we will only do it on one model or two. If anyone has suggestion about how it should be done, please send me PM.
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

I need to charge more if we do that :-) We need to wear white gloves to assemble those subs with extra finesse. We don't have a plan for that yet. Even if we do in the future, we will only do it on one model or two. If anyone has suggestion about how it should be done, please send me PM.

I gather from how few subs are produced in white that it is a pain in the rear to finish and more costly to boot. Heck, even Apple had trouble producing white iphones initially.

I thought my wife would prefer white because our HT entertainment unit is gloss white and there's white cabinets and a white shade of paint in the room. Showed her a picture of a sub in white, though, and she didn't like it. Prefers black instead.

So I'll be getting a piano black E15 or F15HP for the main HT and eventually the LV12R for the secondary room. Don't really want to pay more for piano black, but I know my wife will actually be wowed by a sub like that instead of matte. Worth a few hundred bucks to appease the Special One! (-:
post #11784 of 15126
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I gather from how few subs are produced in white that it is a pain in the rear to finish and more costly to boot. Heck, even Apple had trouble producing white iphones initially.

I'm not sure it would cost much -- if any -- more than a black sub, so that may not be the real issue. I suspect it's because so few would actually buy one. Sure, some people would, but if there truly was a legitimate market you can bet somebody would have tapped into it already.
post #11785 of 15126
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Use a Personal Hovercraft! Will not mar floors!!
post #11786 of 15126
LV12R sub level?

At present my sub level is at -3.0db, for a little more kick could I go to 0 or + 3db or so?
post #11787 of 15126
^^^

Yes, you can add +3db (from -3db to 0db) to your current setup. Add +6db (from -3db to +3db) is a bit stretch.
post #11788 of 15126
It looks like everyone is on schedule to receive sub(s) today. There is no reported delay/interruption. UPS is great.
post #11789 of 15126
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

^^^

Yes, you can add +3db (from -3db to 0db) to your current setup. Add +6db (from -3db to +3db) is a bit stretch.

I think the original setting on the AVR was -9db and I changed it to -3db. Setting the AVR sub setting to 0 should be ok? Thank You
post #11790 of 15126
By jacking up the AVR setting, you're doing so at the expense of subwoofer headroom. What that means, you'll run out of steam quicker and you haven't improved the situation. The solution to the conundrum, more subwoofage.

A possible solution is to locate the subwoofer nearfield to your main listening position (MLP) and/or corner locating the subwoofer in close proximity to the MLP. Just saying, if one is running their subwoofer hot, in my opinion, that's telling the person they didn't buy enough subwoofage.

Purplerain, do you have REW up and running so you can see/measure your room acoustics?

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/27/13 at 7:05am
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