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post #5581 of 15128
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Originally Posted by Dave_I View Post

So I had to postpone my FV15HP for diapers, formula, and the like. No biggie, it's not like I'm having much opportunity to really enjoy the deep bass explosions in some great action movie at high-volume at the moment.

Just wondering, I read somewhere in this thread about an H800 amp and possible rear-facing ports. If I'm wrong, let me know, it's been several days since I had a full night of uninterrupted sleep. Anyway, two things:

H800 Amp: Is this going to be an option on all of the models? How will it differ from the H600 (or will it only be for certain subwoofers)?

Rear-facing Ports a/o Down-Firing Sub: Will the FV15HP be offered with rear-facing ports or as a down-firing sub? I'm wondering for two reasons. First, it might make it more appealing to my wife if it looks like furniture rather than a hyuge speaker, although we'll deal wither way. Second, I think the only convenient location for the subwoofer in my place might be facing more or less into our love seat along the wall, or otherwise at least partially facing into some sort of furniture. Would that be an issue, and if so would a down-firing sub be a better option, or at least something worth considering, or will that really matter too much?

-Cheers

Dave,
Thought I would see if I could answer some of your questions. The H800 amp will be for the F25 only with two 400 watt amps driving one speaker each. Brian did say he was thinking about a rear port down firing HP sub but hasn't said he was going to build it yet. In your case I think I would go with a down firing sub, I have both and can't tell the difference in sound quality, but you don't want it to fire into the side of a couch, so down firing will be your best option. If you have the means you could do a DS1510ci kit and save some money and do a rear port down firing now the plans are on the Rythmik web site. Are you sure you need the FV15HP how big is your room?
I now first hand how the new additions can suck the money right out of you, getting them out of diapers helps but then they turn into teenagers and just keep wanting more money. Love and cherish them every step of the way, the memories will be there long after you have forgotten about your FV15HP. Then on second thought this is a quality piece of equipment and should be there after the kids are grown and moved out and they will have memories of Dad and his subwoofer I know mine do.
post #5582 of 15128
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I had a hum that wouldn't go away until I bought a cable from Blue Jeans. Then, everything was great. To me it's worth using a 30$ cable on a 1300$ piece of equipment

Most of the solutions require transformers and components besides the pure cable to remove the hum...how does the cable alone do it? Is this something they advertise about their cables? Which one did you get?
post #5583 of 15128
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Most of the solutions require transformers and components besides the pure cable to remove the hum...how does the cable alone do it? Is this something they advertise about their cables? Which one did you get?

If you have a poor signal ground contact on cable (or even bad cable with broken signal ground), the system will use the power ground as the signal ground and that is one source of hum noise because the power ground is riddled with charging discharging noise of our equipments. The transformer is recommended only after you already make sure there is no cable ground problem.
post #5584 of 15128
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

Note that specs alone do not determine which would be best in your room. Two subs provide flexibility in setup to help even out the room response that a single sub (no matter how good) cannot. That is perhaps the main reason many folk opt for two subs.

I have a single F15 now and i want a second sub. Will the FV15 pair ok with the F15? I use 50/50 music an HT use. My room is small but i need to even out the bass, but i like the output the FV15.
post #5585 of 15128
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Originally Posted by capecodorthopod View Post

Kinda like see through lingerie for a sub

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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

For less than $8 you could buy this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Monoprice is your best deal for cables and wires,anything more $ is just an ego boost and a waste of money.

I've tried pretty much all monoprice cables. Except for hdmi's and raw speaker cables, I am not satisified with the build quality especially rca's which fell apart on me. I am not advocating spending thousands on cables but $1.28 for a 6ft rca makes me wonder. Manufactured, shipped from across the world, sold here for a profit and shipped to the end consumer?? All for a buck! C'mon, you know some worker in China is getting abused so you can only pay a buck on a cable.
post #5586 of 15128
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Originally Posted by ddgtr View Post

I've tried pretty much all monoprice cables. Except for hdmi's and raw speaker cables, I am not satisified with the build quality especially rca's which fell apart on me. I am not advocating spending thousands on cables but $1.28 for a 6ft rca makes me wonder. Manufactured, shipped from across the world, sold here for a profit and shipped to the end consumer?? All for a buck! C'mon, you know some worker in China is getting abused so you can only pay a buck on a cable.

They have different levels of quality, do you think this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 is the same as this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 ? Maybe you should have spent the extra $2.60. Just look through the forums,Monoprice has many,many fans. If you feel that it must be better if it costs more,enjoy! Different strokes for different folks.

BTW,don't buy anything that has parts from or was made in China.....enjoy your empty house.
post #5587 of 15128
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

They have different levels of quality, do you think this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 is the same as this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 ? Maybe you should have spent the extra $2.60. Just look through the forums,Monoprice has many,many fans. If you feel that it must be better if it costs more,enjoy! Different strokes for different folks.

BTW,don't buy anything that has parts from or was made in China.....enjoy your empty house.

Perfectly said! My Monoprice cables work just fine thank you, but to be honest, so does my friends HDMI cable that BB suckered him into buying! He spent $100. more on one cable than I did on all 3 of mine!

Jeff
post #5588 of 15128
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post


Perfectly said! My Monoprice cables work just fine thank you, but to be honest, so does my friends HDMI cable that BB suckered him into buying! He spent $100. more on one cable than I did on all 3 of mine!

Jeff

And my guess is that the BB cable was also made in China. Probably in the same factory as the Monoprice one. Also, Monoprice has always given me fantastic customer service.
post #5589 of 15128
In the big scheme of things, like ddgtr I too try to buy as much "made in America" that I can within a reasonable price range. The one thing to remember however, products like/from places like Monoprice aren't abusing Chinese labor. We are actually supporting them and their economy (of which I don't necessarily like either - I would rather support our own) but that's the world economy we have.
And like Badger eluded to above, to actually find a "cable/electronic" product 100% made/produced/marketed in the good old USA would result in something hideously specialized and overpriced.

The only product I have been disappointed in from MP was the gold banana plugs.. And all other issues, of which have been few, resulted in superb Customer Service.

Now, I need to decide on a DIY Rythmik kit(s)..... :-)

Cheers
post #5590 of 15128
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

Now, I need to decide on a DIY Rythmik kit(s)..... :-)

Cheers

I'm sitting here enjoying my 2 12" down firing DIY Rythmiks along with my BP7000's if that helps. Just got Santana's Greatest Hits Live at Montreux in Bluray. Sounds awesome!
post #5591 of 15128
Brian was very generous to allow me to demo both the F15HP and FV15HP in my house over the last couple of days and I wanted to give everyone my impressions of these two subs and how they compare to the existing sub I have, HSU VTF-3 Mk4.

Room and listening conditions
My room is a rather large living room (16' x 24' with vaulted ceilings). The vaulted ceilings make it somewhat difficult to measure cubic feet, but I'd estimate about 4600 cu. ft. The room opens to the kitchen on one end and has two doorways to bedrooms on the other end, so it is not sealed by any means and this likely adds to the size.

When comparing all the subs, I listened to the same music tracks on all of them, focusing on 1. Country 2. Rock/Alternative 3. Electronic Dance Music. I figured this would give me a good impression across many genres. I chose songs I knew were produced well and had good bass lines and/or drums from listening in my truck (which has subs in it and a decent sound system).

For home theater comparisons chose movies that I owned that were listed in this thread about good movies with bass in them. The movies were 1. Lord of the Rings Return of the King 2. Finding Nemo 3. 300.

I also listened to some random DirecTV programs from drama to newscasts to get a variety of content that may or may not be mixed very well.

The time I spend with my stereo consists of mostly watching TV with some movies mixed in and about 15% music. But I really care about how the music sounds. I'd say it's more important to me even though I spend less time doing it.

HSU VTF-3 Mk4
I got this sub because I thought it sounded like a good bang for your buck and had a lot of adjustability in it. It's my first sub so I didn't know what I'd like (sealed vs vented, etc.) So I thought this would allow me to play with all those variables and dial it in to how I end up liking it. After dialing it in to as tight and sealed as I could with it, I still wasn't happy, and it's why I wanted to test out the Rythmik's which are known here for their tightness and accuracy (which seemed like what I was missing with the Hsu).

Music
The sub made itself known with the very lowest of notes. You could hear it distinctly separate from the mains. There seemed to be a hole in frequency response (never measured it to be sure) between these low-lows and where my mains left off. It was also quite boomy and muddy to my ears. The tighter I could make it with the settings, the more I liked it, but it never was enough.

Home Theater
It actually did pretty well for home theater I thought. All the LFE were represented well. There was a lot of rumble and HT was generally a good experience.

DirecTV
The exaggerated low end I noticed with music was here on DirecTV as well. Whether it was commercials that were mixed poorly that had music in them, or the deep voice of a newscaster, the sub made its presence known. Sounded like bassy puffs of air all the time. Very loose and muddy. I had to completely block off all the ports to get it sealed sounding for this to be mitigated and it still was there a little even after doing that. It was quite annoying. With stuff that was mixed well, it wasn't quite bad, but this loose boomy sounding characteristic of the very low end was driving me nuts.

Summary
Lacking punch, impact, and mid-bass slam. Seems like a dip in frequency response between the low end of the sub and where my mains are crossed over and therefore not balanced with the main speakers. Good for pure HT use as LFE low effects were emphasized and you could feel them.

Rythmik F15HP
Music
All I can say is WOW....I was absolutely blown away with how well this sub balanced with my mains. The hole I felt that the Hsu had between sub and mains was filled up and seemed totally flat to my ears. It almost sounded like an extension of my mains, not like I had a separate sub. But it was powerful in the mid bass and had impact. Bass lines and drum beats hit you in the chest. It was very fast and tight sounding. I'm not sure I could ask for more from a sub for music.

Home Theater
After noticing a lack of exaggerated low-end in music like the Hsu had and knowing that "sealed subs are for music not for HT" I expected a compromise with home theater. Boy was I wrong. Where the Hsu was rumbly and loose, the F15HP knocked me in the chest with some of the LFE sounds. I was shocked how good this sounded with home theater. The authority and impact this sub had with all the movies was very very good.

DirecTV
Probably due to how well this sub blended with my mains, I never noticed any exaggerated low end like with the Hsu, all DirecTV broadcasts basically sounded like how I thought they should sound. Was watching a drama last night where they intentionally mixed in some good LFE stuff and it was like I was watching home theater again. Men's voices never seemed boomy at all. Perfect representation of the source material.

Summary
This thing is clean and tight. It has that mid-bass slam I thought I was missing before. It even sounds great at lower volumes, filling in the low end in a very balanced way even when the volume isn't loud. I was impressed by that.

Rythmik FV15HP
Music
This is definitely much much closer to the F15HP than the ported Hsu. It still sounded balanced with the mains, but there was slightly less impact, detail, and punch. It seemed to have a very slight exaggeration down low as well in comparison. Without having the F15HP to flip back and forth between it might be hard to tell the difference though. Overall, this sub performed very well with music, but I give the edge to the F15HP.

Home Theater
This thing is an absolute beast with the movies I threw at it. It handled movies effortlessly and I felt things more than heard them. Lots of shaking on my walls. So much so I thought it might break something The edge in output absolutely goes to the FV15HP for movies. It is hard to say whether I actually preferred it for movies though. More output doesn't necessarily mean better sound. The F15HP had what I would consider very good output as well but seemed to blend in a bit better with the rest of the speakers.

DirecTV
Basically the same as the F15HP. I noticed a very slight emphasis in the low end sort of reminiscent of the Hsu. However it isn't nearly as bad and probably wouldn't have noticed it where I not coming directly from the F15HP and having been sensitive to this sound because of the Hsu. I would say for general watching TV, the edge goes to the F15HP for a cleaner sound, but for movies or drama on TV, the FV15HP might be better. Sort of depends on the source. Very tough call between these two for watching TV.

Summary
I was very impressed with the sound quality of this sub and the output it has in movies is unreal.

All things considered, I will end up going with the sealed F15HP. The crispness, impact and how well it blends with my mains made me like it better. But both of these subs are far and away better in detail and clarity than the Hsu I am coming from and I honestly think you can't go wrong with either choice. Brian/Rythmik has me sold. What a great product.

The biggest lesson I learned here is that a sealed sub can sound great for home theater. Somehow I thought by going sealed I would be limiting my enjoyment of home theater and I don't think that is the case anymore. Yes, ported absolutely has more output for home theater, but the slightly better detail for music makes the F15HP my favorite between them.

Since I had two subs on hand that sounded very similar to one another, I decided to see what two subs at the same time sounds like and fired them both up. I was expecting the volume to increase substantially in the bass region when I did this, but it only slightly went up. What it did do is made the bass sound like it surrounded me more and evened things out. I didn't think I could localize a single sub, but there was something more "all enveloping" with both of them going. I definitely preferred it, and now I'm thinking about buying two of them. It's more money than I wanted to spend, but I imagine these will last a long, long time.

Thanks again to Brian for letting me demo these units and I hope my little review can help others debating between the F15 and FV15.
post #5592 of 15128
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Originally Posted by badgerpilot View Post


I'm sitting here enjoying my 2 12" down firing DIY Rythmiks along with my BP7000's if that helps. Just got Santana's Greatest Hits Live at Montreux in Bluray. Sounds awesome!

We could be twins by summer... :-)
I picked up a pair of 7000SC's last month yet have been trying to decide/commit on either two 12 or 15 inch Rythmik kits. If I remember right, like you my room would better accommodate the 12s on either side or up front but given minimal price difference I keep thinking 15s... I mainly want the 20hz prowess. My room is sealed, dedicated yet only 2800' cubed. Thoughts??

I'll be making a trip to San Antonio, driving through Austin in Apr, thus figure I could coordinate an onsite pick-up and save the shipping...

Cheers
post #5593 of 15128
millerrh,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Being a new FV15HP owner myself I'm going through my own evaluation process. I only have a Klipsch 10" sub for reference so I don't have a "big" sub to compare it with. Obviously the Rythmik is in a totally different class than the Klipsch. I can tell you though that I have noticed a difference in output (DUH! totally expected) but also in the quality of sound that the Rythmik produces. I have been watching/listening to movies/music that I am familiar with and have noticed things that I have not noticed before. I have no doubt that I went the right direction with Rythmik, and I'm not looking back. Glad that you had the opportunity to do some testing in your own home.

If you are in the market for speakers Ascend has IMO the same level of CS that Rythmik does. Probably why they have teamed up.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #5594 of 15128
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

We could be twins by summer... :-)
I picked up a pair of 7000SC's last month yet have been trying to decide/commit on either two 12 or 15 inch Rythmik kits. If I remember right, like you my room would better accommodate the 12s on either side or up front but given minimal price difference I keep thinking 15s... I mainly want the 20hz prowess. My room is sealed, dedicated yet only 2800' cubed. Thoughts??

I'll be making a trip to San Antonio, driving through Austin in Apr, thus figure I could coordinate an onsite pick-up and save the shipping...

Cheers

I made a typo in my post, probably wishful thinking but I have 7001's Very similar though. The Rythmiks blend perfectly with them. My room is open so I imagine you would get even more kick. I have my 12's sitting behind each 7001. If I had the room, I would have built 15's just because the cost difference was so little. Having said that though, I am extremely happy with what I have. You can't go wrong with these as Millerh just pointed out. I love the sound of the sealed, they just blend perfectly without the bass sounding boomy. You don't know that they are even there until called upon, and then their presence is made known, usually with a jump from my wife If you drive through DFW, you are welcome to stop by as well.
post #5595 of 15128
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

Monoprice is your best deal for cables and wires,anything more $ is just an ego boost and a waste of money.

Incorrect and irrelevant. (As long as were tossing opinions around.)

By the way the Blue Jeans low-cap sub cables are low-cap and double braid. If that helps with hum on someone's environment I'm sure they would consider it a worthwhile purchase even if the cables weren't made in the US.
post #5596 of 15128
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Incorrect and irrelevant. (As long as were tossing opinions around.)

By the way the Blue Jeans low-cap sub cables are low-cap and double braid. If that helps with hum on someone's environment I'm sure they would consider it a worthwhile purchase even if the cables weren't made in the US.

I have purchased cables, both raw and terminated from both Monoprice and Blue Jeans. While the cables I purchased from Blue Jeans was 20 bucks more than what I could have gotten from Monoprice, I needed a specific cable in a specific length and Monoprice did not have so it was worth every penny I spent to buy the cable from Blue Jeans. I think where it gets absurd is the "snake oil" type of cable hype where my three dollar speaker cable is "out performed" by 1500.00 dollar speaker cables and people really buy that garbage and believe that there really is a difference other than that light feeling in your wallet.

As long as we are throwing opinions around.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #5597 of 15128
What is the power consumption on the Rythmik FV12?
post #5598 of 15128
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Incorrect and irrelevant. (As long as were tossing opinions around.)

By the way the Blue Jeans low-cap sub cables are low-cap and double braid. If that helps with hum on someone's environment I'm sure they would consider it a worthwhile purchase even if the cables weren't made in the US.

I was wrong, this is what you really need; http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/11/...st-audiophile/

Just kidding,Everyone's entitled to their own opinion,but when it comes to Monoprice,most folks do think it's a very good deal.
post #5599 of 15128
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

I have purchased cables, both raw and terminated from both Monoprice and Blue Jeans. While the cables I purchased from Blue Jeans was 20 bucks more than what I could have gotten from Monoprice, I needed a specific cable in a specific length and Monoprice did not have so it was worth every penny I spent to buy the cable from Blue Jeans. I think where it gets absurd is the "snake oil" type of cable hype where my three dollar speaker cable is "out performed" by 1500.00 dollar speaker cables and people really buy that garbage and believe that there really is a difference other than that light feeling in your wallet.

As long as we are throwing opinions around.

Regards,

RTROSE

This what you mean? http://www.audioholics.com/education...-you-snake-oil
post #5600 of 15128
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Originally Posted by nat120 View Post

What is the power consumption on the Rythmik FV12?

Back of the 370 W amp says 750 W. Not sure if that is the current model in the FV12 but it's probably in the ballpark. That would be max power...
post #5601 of 15128
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Originally Posted by LarryU View Post

Dave,
Thought I would see if I could answer some of your questions. The H800 amp will be for the F25 only with two 400 watt amps driving one speaker each. Brian did say he was thinking about a rear port down firing HP sub but hasn't said he was going to build it yet. In your case I think I would go with a down firing sub, I have both and can't tell the difference in sound quality, but you don't want it to fire into the side of a couch, so down firing will be your best option. If you have the means you could do a DS1510ci kit and save some money and do a rear port down firing now the plans are on the Rythmik web site. Are you sure you need the FV15HP how big is your room?
I now first hand how the new additions can suck the money right out of you, getting them out of diapers helps but then they turn into teenagers and just keep wanting more money. Love and cherish them every step of the way, the memories will be there long after you have forgotten about your FV15HP. Then on second thought this is a quality piece of equipment and should be there after the kids are grown and moved out and they will have memories of Dad and his subwoofer I know mine do.

Here is the thread/post with room pics. I can post a diagram with dimensions as well:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21406032

I have since gotten some Boston Acoustics VS-260's & a VS-325 center for the speaker setup. DIY is an option as well. Just bouncing ideas for now. I'll take a look at how people build their own subwoofer boxes and the DS1510c kit might be a nice option.

I agree about the kids. I am not really missing a subwoofer, or anything for that matter, right at the moment. I want the subwoofer in part to make the living room a nice family-centric source of entertainment. Well, that and to feel explosions in movies and for a more engrossing musical experience. Still, I like the idea of making a nice fun location for us to all hang out together for years to come. Sorry, try not to gag on all that sweetness.

-Cheers
post #5602 of 15128
Good day all.

I recently purchased er...invested... the "Rythmik's Downfireing D15 Direct Servo Sub SE".

While working on taming this Bass Monster for my needs of the room (and those questions will come later) a question came to mind that I have not been able to find on the main site. The question being: Does the aforementioned subwoofer have electromagnetic shielding? If It does not what is its output of electromagnetic radiation?

Thank you.
post #5603 of 15128
Hmmm, out of stock on a lot of stuff. Any ideas on how long?
post #5604 of 15128
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Brian was very generous to allow me to demo both the F15HP and FV15HP in my house over the last couple of days and I wanted to give everyone my impressions of these two subs and how they compare to the existing sub I have, HSU VTF-3 Mk4.Thanks again to Brian for letting me demo these units and I hope my little review can help others debating between the F15 and FV15.

Do you remember how the controls were set? Was one port plugged on the FV15HP? Where were the subs placed(mid-wall,corner,nearfield etc.)? Nice review,thanks!
post #5605 of 15128
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

Do you remember how the controls were set? Was one port plugged on the FV15HP? Where were the subs placed(mid-wall,corner,nearfield etc.)? Nice review,thanks!

I was using an AVR so using LFE in which disables the phase and crossover. Controls were set at 20hz med damping per recommendation on the included sheet. My thought process was that I'd be able to hear the differences between them at the same settings and fine tune it later once I picked one. Subs were placed near a corner, about 4 feet from one of the walls, right against the rear wall. When I was doing the side-by-side comparison, the F15 was right next to the FV15 about 3' from the far wall.

Most of my listening was with the FV15 with both ports open, however I did listen some with one port plugged and did not notice much of a difference with the material I was listening to strangely enough. Way different from the Hsu which had huge differences when plugging ports. Actually there is a graph on Rythmik's website overlaying the one port vs two port tunings and they are almost identical except at the low end. So it could be the stuff I was listening to at the time did not have that frequency represented well.
post #5606 of 15128
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post


Most of the solutions require transformers and components besides the pure cable to remove the hum...how does the cable alone do it? Is this something they advertise about their cables? Which one did you get?

It think it has something to do with the shielding on the cable itself. I had three different cables: sub cable from mono price (worst hum), a "more expensive" sub cable from amazon (still had hum but less) and finally the sub cable from BJC which was silent as can be. I also noticed a more refined, controlled sound vs the other options. Items like a subwoofer carrying an analog signal are (to my knowledge) the MOST sensitive to these type of issues given the frequencies they deal with. If there is one place to spend money on a cable upgrade, I'd do it. It worked for me anyways
post #5607 of 15128
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Originally Posted by logicology View Post

Can you link me to the inline transformer you're talking about?

http://www.thomann.de/ie/art_dti.htm

and also

http://www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_microhd_hd400.htm

worked for me.

I would also encourage anyone concerned with ground hum and grounding/safety in general to read this article:

http://www.jensen-transformers.com/a...%20seminar.pdf

Cheers,

N.
post #5608 of 15128
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Rythmik F15HP
Music
All I can say is WOW....I was absolutely blown away with how well this sub balanced with my mains. The hole I felt that the Hsu had between sub and mains was filled up and seemed totally flat to my ears. It almost sounded like an extension of my mains, not like I had a separate sub....

That disappearing act of sub or front speakers is the ultimate goal of any audiophile. Words like transparent and palpable are all pointing to that direction. We want the subwoofer and speakers to sound as if they are not there at all. There is one customer sending me an email about an F12 he received. He told me this is the first subwoofer that he heard that does not sound like a subwoofer. He didn't feel the sub is there and yet in HT, he can feel the impact. He is not sure if this is right or wrong. Well, he will know the answer after a couple of weeks

As for the sound difference between FV15HP and F15HP, one needs to note the difference between them is "far" less than the difference between our subs and other nonservo subs in general. The trade-off between FV15HP and F15HP is 1) how much you put the emphasis on HT usage and 2) how much you are willing to spend. To achieve the same output as vented sub, sealed sub will be a bit more expensive.

Lastly, some customers shop subs with the most bang for the bucks and look at the output per $ and the result is they often price out our subs. But the reality is our sound quality is worth much more. With a sub of high SQ to start with, it will not be outgrown by other components. So the customers pay a bit more upfront and save the upgrade hassle in the future.
post #5609 of 15128
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

As for the sound difference between FV15HP and F15HP, one needs to note the difference between them is "far" less than the difference between our subs and other nonservo subs in general. The trade-off between FV15HP and F15HP is 1) how much you put the emphasis on HT usage and 2) how much you are willing to spend. To achieve the same output as vented sub, sealed sub will be a bit more expensive.

Lastly, some customers shop subs with the most bang for the bucks and look at the output per $ and the result is they often leave out our subs. But the reality is our sound quality is worth much more. With a sub of high SQ to start with, it will not be outgrown by other components. So the customers pay a bit more upfront and save the upgrade hassle in the future.

I will 100% agree with this...I hope it was clear from my review. When you're comparing two very good subs back-to-back, you can pull subtle differences out between them and try to explain them. But that doesn't give justice to how good both of them sound. They both sound very flat and blend well with the mains. I'm sure it's the servo technology at work here. These two subs are really more alike than they are different. Slight edge in tightness goes to F15, bigger edge in LFE output goes to FV15. But both sound great in music and home theater, it's really a matter of personal preference on these subtle details.

And when you are doing a comparison like this, to me it's not about SPL...it's about what they sound like. How musical are they? What are the dynamics of the sound? I couldn't care less about output if it is inarticulate and muddy. It's why I didn't bother with a meter and why I didn't crank them up as high as they go. My ears are the important meter for me.
post #5610 of 15128
+1,you got it! thanks again for the review.
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