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post #5911 of 15160
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Originally Posted by theturtle View Post

Just got my F15HP today. AWESOME my favorite scene so far, intro to the fellowship of the rings

Check out the pod emergence scene from War of the Worlds.
post #5912 of 15160
Ok, the link for the subtune does nothing for me. It just opens a new page with the following message. " Rythmik Audio SubWoofer Tunner Applet" and that's it. Nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, nothing.

Soooo what do I need to do to get something to come up?

Regards,

RTROSE

EDIT: Attn: Firefox users. You will need to use IE to get the applet.
post #5913 of 15160
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

Ok, the link for the subtune does nothing for me. It just opens a new page with the following message. " Rythmik Audio SubWoofer Tunner Applet" and that's it. Nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, nothing.

Soooo what do I need to do to get something to come up?

Regards,

RTROSE

EDIT: Attn: Firefox users. You will need to use IE to get the applet.

Worked fine for me,I'm using Chrome. As the original post said,it does require Java to open.
post #5914 of 15160
@Brian - XLR questions:

Brian,

I want to buy either 2 F15's with XLR or 2 E15's with XLR. I am assuming the Master/Slave configuration is the best for what I want to do. If you think I should go with XLR3 then please say so...

I am running an analog system which includes a preamp with HT bypass, out to an external active crossover, on to a 2 channel amp and sub(s) simultaneously.

Keep in mind there is no AVR to adjust for delay/phase.

Since I am already performing the crossover BEFORE the sub and the active crossover CANNOT compensate for the delay/phase, I need to understand how exactly this will play out. Will I go from the external crossover to the sub via XLR to LFE input and if so, how do I adjust the phase as I understand the phase knob becomes inactive if the LFE input is used??

If on the other hand I go from the active crossover to the sub via XLR "Line In" and I've already performed the crossing, is the sub going to perform the crossover one more time?? If not, then where should the crossover knob on the sub be set?

Thanks
post #5915 of 15160
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

Check out the pod emergence scene from War of the Worlds.

I like that scene too, the "Skadoosh" scene from Kung Fu Panda is pretty cool and the climax "Queen Dragon" scene from How to Train Your Dragon is chock full of LFE.

Enjoy your new baby.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #5916 of 15160
Can anyone tell me what this means? I'm not sure what the phase info is for. To the best of my ability I answered all the questions in the tuner as it should be.
INFO: front_phase =178deg sub_phase=-200deg
Set subwoofer distance in AVR dealytime menu to 3.8ft
The acceptable tolerance window based on +/- 45 degrees deviation is +/-2.1ft
Note 180 degrees phase deviation leads to signal cancellation at crossover point

Currently my sub amp is set to go to 14hz, avr/12, 80 xover, high damping. Phase is at the default 0.

Answers to the subtuner2.html
F15HP
Vented (pair of rf-7 iis)
floor standing
10" x2
AVR YES
small
60 xover
-6 Fronts are about 9 ft away (set as such in AVR)
L/R (specifically using the left rca with a single rca subwoofer cable)
avr/12
no roomeq

Position of the sub is about 3 feet to the left of me, facing me. With my room layout this was the best spot for space, not acoustics.
post #5917 of 15160
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Originally Posted by ntrain96 View Post

Im comparing the D15's to other brand subs Ive both owned and sold in the past. I have always preferred downfiring subs though. Downfiring subs blend better IMO and have alot of natural accoustic advantages over front firing subs.

I agree with this, and that's why I made a post recently about being surprised I dont see the D15SE talked about more here...
post #5918 of 15160
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

EDIT: Attn: Firefox users. You will need to use IE to get the applet.

Not true, works fine for me...
post #5919 of 15160
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

Ok, the link for the subtune does nothing for me. It just opens a new page with the following message. " Rythmik Audio SubWoofer Tunner Applet" and that's it. Nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, nothing.

Soooo what do I need to do to get something to come up?

Regards,

RTROSE

EDIT: Attn: Firefox users. You will need to use IE to get the applet.

This is a Java appl so you need the latest version of Java to use the sub tuner. I use Firefox and it works fine.
Larry
post #5920 of 15160
Well ok then. I'll update Java as I really prefer Firefox to IE anyway. I thought I had the updated version so I'll update and see if it works.

Thanks.

Regards,

RTROSE

Edit: Updated and works like a charm. DOH! You would think that with as many things in my house that needs updates I would have thought of that part. Oh well. Thanks guys.
post #5921 of 15160
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Originally Posted by ntrain96 View Post

Im comparing the D15's to other brand subs Ive both owned and sold in the past. I have always preferred downfiring subs though. Downfiring subs blend better IMO and have alot of natural accoustic advantages over front firing subs.

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Originally Posted by Rÿche 1 View Post

I agree with this, and that's why I made a post recently about being surprised I dont see the D15SE talked about more here...

I agree as well! I love the way my 2 DIY 12" Rythmiks blend with my system. I considered the D15SE but the size was too big for where they had to be located. Since Rythmik doesn't offer a downfiring 12", I built my own and couldn't be happier.
post #5922 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Rÿche 1 View Post

I agree with this, and that's why I made a post recently about being surprised I dont see the D15SE talked about more here...

Im shocked too actually, I have both front and down firing RYthmik subs, I highly prefer the downfiring models, both for music AND movies. They probably arent as popular due to ONLY being available with the 370 watt class A/B amp. I personally think RYthmik should push em more and make a 600 watt version as well.
post #5923 of 15160
It's official;I've got a tracking number! My two F15HP will be here on Wed!! Should be great in a 2600 cu. ft. room!
post #5924 of 15160
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

It's official;I've got a tracking number! My two F15HP will be here on Wed!! Should be great in a 2600 cu. ft. room!


I'm excited for you. Two F15HP's should really rock your room. Just remember that everything will now be in super slow motion until Wednesday.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #5925 of 15160
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Originally Posted by theturtle View Post

Can anyone tell me what this means? I'm not sure what the phase info is for. To the best of my ability I answered all the questions in the tuner as it should be.
INFO: front_phase =178deg sub_phase=-200deg
Set subwoofer distance in AVR dealytime menu to 3.8ft
The acceptable tolerance window based on +/- 45 degrees deviation is +/-2.1ft
Note 180 degrees phase deviation leads to signal cancellation at crossover point

Currently my sub amp is set to go to 14hz, avr/12, 80 xover, high damping. Phase is at the default 0.

Answers to the subtuner2.html
F15HP
Vented (pair of rf-7 iis)
floor standing
10" x2
AVR YES
small
60 xover
-6 Fronts are about 9 ft away (set as such in AVR)
L/R (specifically using the left rca with a single rca subwoofer cable)
avr/12
no roomeq

Position of the sub is about 3 feet to the left of me, facing me. With my room layout this was the best spot for space, not acoustics.

I don't even have my subs yet(5 more days!), but I believe that if you're using an AVR with built-in bass management you should be using the lfe input,not the line in. This also should be indicated in the subtuner as it will change the results. I understand that most of the time,most people have limitations on where they can put their sub but it seems such a shame to put such an outstanding subwoofer where it won't sound the best. Tweaking helps,but placement rules. More often than not,where subs look the best isn't where they sound the best. Sometimes though,you do luck out!
post #5926 of 15160
We don't have enough DS1510 due to the sales last month. We are expecting 4-6 weeks of lead time. Sorry for the bad news.
post #5927 of 15160
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

I'm excited for you. Two F15HP's should really rock your room. Just remember that everything will now be in super slow motion until Wednesday.

Regards,

RTROSE

Thanks! New cables are coming Monday,I'll run them Tuesday,then I'll slowly go crazy!
post #5928 of 15160
sofast1 - im actually not using the AVR for anything like that. I've only set the crossover on it. I'm not a fan of audyssey so I don't use it. I plan to test it again at some point but not right now.
post #5929 of 15160
Well, as I've had some bad experiences in purchasing with non reputable sellers and I've invested several posts on complaining and bashing.... I think that is only fair to invest some time on doing the opposite here:

Today I received my brand new F15HP SE and I just have to say 1 word about it: WOW!

I'm not an expert or anything, just a sound "aficionado" that reads a lot of forums, sadly because of my location, I can't audition most of my sound purchases before pulling the trigger, so I have to be very caution about my readings and conclusions. In this case, I want to thank all of the valuable members of this forum that accurately describe the sound of this great and quality subs, and also the great service that this company gives. Just what I was looking for, and with an unbeatable price.

So, a big thanks to Brian and Enrico that went the extra mile and beyond to make a new "Rythmik Groupie" out of me.

The sub was sent all the way to Guatemala (which is where I'm located at the moment), with no hassles at all.

I have been listening for this sub for 3 straight hours and I just don't want to stop, very tight, very accurate and very very capable of reproducing just the correct amount of bass, no more, no less: IMPRESSIVE!

If you are a Chemical Brother's fan like myself, I strongly recommend on playing one of Eric Bana's not so commercial movie called Hanna. The part of the "Car Chase" and "Hanna's Escape" just sound amazing!!

Anyway, just

Cheers to all
post #5930 of 15160
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Originally Posted by romeo_214 View Post

Well, as I've had some bad experiences in purchasing with non reputable sellers and I've invested several posts on complaining and bashing.... I think that is only fair to invest some time on doing the opposite here:

Today I received my brand new F15HP SE and I just have to say 1 word about it: WOW!

I'm not an expert or anything, just a sound "aficionado" that reads a lot of forums, sadly because of my location, I can't audition most of my sound purchases before pulling the trigger, so I have to be very caution about my readings and conclusions. In this case, I want to thank all of the valuable members of this forum that accurately describe the sound of this great and quality subs, and also the great service that this company gives. Just what I was looking for, and with an unbeatable price.

So, a big thanks to Brian and Enrico that went the extra mile and beyond to make a new "Rythmik Groupie" out of me.

The sub was sent all the way to Guatemala (which is where I'm located at the moment), with no hassles at all.

I have been listening for this sub for 3 straight hours and I just don't want to stop, very tight, very accurate and very very capable of reproducing just the correct amount of bass, no more, no less: IMPRESSIVE!

If you are a Chemical Brother's fan like myself, I strongly recommend on playing one of Eric Bana's not so commercial movie called Hanna. The part of the "Car Chase" and "Hanna's Escape" just sound amazing!!

Anyway, just

Cheers to all

The sad truth of the matter is that you probably havent even fully or properly dialed it in yet either. Wait till you figure out how to smooth it out and blend it properly to your mains........thats when the REAL FUN begins. You need to get a copy of Pork Soda and Frizzle Fry if you don't have em already.
post #5931 of 15160
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Originally Posted by theturtle View Post

sofast1 - im actually not using the AVR for anything like that. I've only set the crossover on it. I'm not a fan of audyssey so I don't use it. I plan to test it again at some point but not right now.

Imaging will improve at the primary listening position if the delays and distances are all set appropriately. You can let the autosetup (Audyssey) program take care of all that, then turn Audyssey off if you son't prefer it.
post #5932 of 15160
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Originally Posted by theturtle View Post

sofast1 - im actually not using the AVR for anything like that. I've only set the crossover on it. I'm not a fan of audyssey so I don't use it. I plan to test it again at some point but not right now.

Regardless of whether you use Audyssey or not,you should still use you AVR to set crossover freq.,phase/distance and level,it's more accurate. You can manually adjust the Audyssey settings to your preference.
post #5933 of 15160
I am coming close to making a decision on a Rythmik sub. Now remember, I currently have a 12+ yr old Paradigm PS1200 that has 3- 2" or 3" ports in the rear with a 250 watt amp that "seems" to do a good job, but I don't really know any better do I??!! I am looking at the F15, F15HP, sealed subs and the FV15, FV15HP ported subs. My listening area is 12' facing the listening area X appox 14' with cathedrial ceilings to 12' Toward the back of the listening area is an open Great Room design that goes back 25ish feet. Any opinions would be great. Btw, I'm only interested in one sub.

Jeff
post #5934 of 15160
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

I am coming close to making a decision on a Rythmik sub. Now remember, I currently have a 12+ yr old Paradigm PS1200 that has 3- 2" or 3" ports in the rear with a 250 watt amp that "seems" to do a good job, but I don't really know any better do I??!! I am looking at the F15, F15HP, sealed subs and the FV15, FV15HP ported subs. My listening area is 12' facing the listening area X appox 14' with cathedrial ceilings to 12' Toward the back of the listening area is an open Great Room design that goes back 25ish feet. Any opinions would be great. Btw, I'm only interested in one sub.

Jeff

I'd choose the FV15HP. With that much area,you're going to need all the output you can get. It's not the 'Listening area" that matters,it's the volume of the whole room and yours sounds like a big one. Limited to one sub,the FV15HP is going to have the most output. It should have better sound quality and more output than the PS1200.
post #5935 of 15160
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

i am coming close to making a decision on a rythmik sub. Now remember, i currently have a 12+ yr old paradigm ps1200 that has 3- 2" or 3" ports in the rear with a 250 watt amp that "seems" to do a good job, but i don't really know any better do i??!! I am looking at the f15, f15hp, sealed subs and the fv15, fv15hp ported subs. My listening area is 12' facing the listening area x appox 14' with cathedrial ceilings to 12' toward the back of the listening area is an open great room design that goes back 25ish feet. Any opinions would be great. Btw, i'm only interested in one sub.

Jeff

fv15hp
post #5936 of 15160
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

It's not the 'Listening area" that matters,it's the volume of the whole room

Not everyone agrees with this. See near-field placement.
post #5937 of 15160
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Not everyone agrees with this. See near-field placement.

It happens once in a while. His "listening area" is 2000 cu cu. ft. and it sounds like it opens into an area twice as big(total 6000 cu.ft.). Using only one sub, near-field placement probably will be his best bet. But when choosing the sub from the ones he mentioned I'd still go for the one that has the most output, especially when the sealed and ported Rythmiks sound so similar. Having more output will give him more near-field placement options(he won't have to sit on it!). While near-field placement helps,especially with "impact",sometimes it can make integration more difficult as it's easier for the sub to be localized if it's too close. As you know,every situation is different. You just try different possibilities and use what works best. Having too much output is easily corrected,just turn it down. On the other hand....... I agree with you that near-field placement sometimes is the way to go. But when choosing the sub,I'd still consider the total area volume and choosing the sub was the issue,not where to put it.


I hope that didn't sound disrespectful,I've been reading your posts a long time. Your opinion is one that I value.
post #5938 of 15160
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

It happens once in a while. His "listening area" is 2000 cu cu. ft. and it sounds like it opens into an area twice as big(total 6000 cu.ft.). Using only one sub, near-field placement probably will be his best bet. But when choosing the sub from the ones he mentioned I'd still go for the one that has the most output, especially when the sealed and ported Rythmiks sound so similar. Having more output will give him more near-field placement options(he won't have to sit on it!). While near-field placement helps,especially with "impact",sometimes it can make integration more difficult as it's easier for the sub to be localized if it's too close. As you know,every situation is different. You just try different possibilities and use what works best. Having too much output is easily corrected,just turn it down. On the other hand....... I agree with you that near-field placement sometimes is the way to go. But when choosing the sub,I'd still consider the total area volume and choosing the sub was the issue,not where to put it.


I hope that didn't sound disrespectful,I've been reading your posts a long time. Your opinion is one that I value.

My current sub sits 12' from me now (Audyssey has it at 18.4') While going over the sub shootout, the room they tested in was 4000^ft if I remember correctly. Any sub I get will have to go pretty much in the same place as my current sub due to the only WAF problem I have. So 12' from me will be near field. There's just no room for it anywhere else.

Jeff
post #5939 of 15160
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

My current sub sits 12' from me now (Audyssey has it at 18.4') While going over the sub shootout, the room they tested in was 4000^ft if I remember correctly. Any sub I get will have to go pretty much in the same place as my current sub due to the only WAF problem I have. So 12' from me will be near field. There's just no room for it anywhere else.

Jeff

12 feet away really isn't near field(mid-field?). But like I said,you use what works best for you(and your wife!). I'd still go with the FV15HP.
post #5940 of 15160
Pronghorn/az
I don’t agree with the way everybody is basing the sub solely on room size alone. I am using a DS1505 which is basically a DIY F15, I am also running a Klipsch sub 12 although not half the sub the Rythmik is it does give me about 2-3db more output, which gives me about the same output as a F15HP. I also have it in a 4300 cu ft very open room like yours and am very happy. My main speakers have two 8inch woofers that hurt my ears at reference levels with no lack of great base thanks to my Rythmik. The FV15HP maybe the best sub for you but I think there are a few more questions that need to be answered first. What are the other speakers in your system, nobody has even asked, are you mostly music or movies, how loud do you listen to your system? If you are Reference levels 100+db then you probably need a FV15HP if not then a F15HP would do great with better low end, I do think you need to stay in the HP line due to room size unless you have small main speakers. It’s not all about total output I love the way my sealed sub sounds remember movies are mostly music with a few explosions thrown in. With a ported sub you are taking the output below 20 Hz and moving it to the 20-30 Hz range and only slight increases from 30-40 Hz and from there both subs have the same output with the sealed sub you will have way more output below 20 Hz. In the end the decision is yours and as long as you get one of the Rythmik subs you will be happy. Just MHO.
Larry
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