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post #6301 of 9689
5/6/12 at 6:32am
I just took delivery of a Rhythmik F12SE to add to my dual ported SVS PC12NSD
I am running a triple subs set up in a 5.1 system.
AVR is the Denon 3808 with Audyssey XT.
I am also using the AM8033C for bass correction.
I have the two ported subs in front, with both subs' phase set to 0 and connected via a Y connector to the 0 phase output of the AM8033C.
I have the sealed Rhythmik at the rear left of my sofa. I am using the LFE input and set the phase to 180. This sub is connected to the 180 deg phase output of the AM8033 as recommended by AntiMode.
I read some where here, that if connected to the LFE input, this bypass the phase and cross-over in the F12SE.
Will this interfere with the AM8033C 's calibration, which recommended the phase to be set to 180?
Should I instead use the line input of the F12, which enables the phase control?
Thank you and sorry for the long post.
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post #6302 of 9689
5/6/12 at 7:21am
Connect the Antimode to the LFE input.
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post #6303 of 9689
5/6/12 at 7:41am
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Connect the Antimode to the LFE input.

So the disabled Phase control will not interfere with the AM8033C's calibration?
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post #6304 of 9689
5/6/12 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by Foreverandone View Post

Been waiting for the F12 for more than two months now, after being told to wait for another 2 months, I got impatient and got a Rel T-1 instead. However, I found Rel T-1 a little too bloomy for my taste. Anyone with experience with Rel T-1 and F12 could you let me know if I could expect tighter and deeper bass (vs. Rel T-1) from the F12? My main speakers are Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. The sub and speakers are only used for music. Thanks.

REL T1 was actually my first choice back when I didn't know any better. Apparently it was well though of in certain circles back in the day, but technology has moved on.

REL T Series are actually entry level product for REL and therefore do not provide value-for-money. To get quality REL product, you should consider Gibraltar line. T Series are passive radiator designs and not well designed; they may be OK for home cinema but not for music. There's a good reason sealed sub-woofers are best for music.

Additionally, F12 give you the option of using it's parametric equaliser whereas REL T Series has no such option.

BTW, my usage is 75/25 music/home cinema.

I spent quite a bit of time researching all this and finally arrived at Rythmik's doorstep. My F12SE was delivered in January and time has shown that my patience has been rewarded. It's fulfilled all my expectations and more.

Patience is a virtue
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post #6305 of 9689
5/6/12 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by A L Wong View Post

So the disabled Phase control will not interfere with the AM8033C's calibration?

No, the Antimode will adjust frequency and time domain, as it says in its manual. Keep in mind most subs do not even have a phase adjustment knob, just a 0/180 degree switch and that is almost useless.
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post #6306 of 9689
5/6/12 at 2:19pm
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Any FV12 owners who can comment about their likes/dislikes about this sub? I've read so much about subs in the past month I'm absolutely at a stand still on what I should get. I cannot find any reviews on the FV12, but it appears to be a good sub from the specs and some of the comments I have read. Does it dig deep and also have good mid-bass? My main listening room is 3200 cubic feet, but if you factor in the dining and kitchen area that it opens to, it is over 5000 cubic feet. I have a Klipsch Sub-12 now and it digs deep, but I would like a little greater extension and to get away from the awful port noises it produces and its boomy bass. Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

This sub plays deep and extremely clean. The midbass is excellent, so far I can't seem to find a single thing I dislike about the FV12. My living room is open to a dining area and kitchen. Give it a shot and if it isn't for you then return it within 30 days for a refund, but I highly doubt you would not be satisfied.
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post #6307 of 9689
5/6/12 at 2:39pm
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This sub plays deep and extremely clean. The midbass is excellent, so far I can't seem to find a single thing I dislike about the FV12. My living room is open to a dining area and kitchen. Give it a shot and if it isn't for you then return it within 30 days for a refund, but I highly doubt you would not be satisfied.

Thanks for the reply. I'm still on the fence though. It seems like just when I make up my mind, I read something else that changes my mind.
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post #6308 of 9689
5/6/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by Foreverandone View Post

Been waiting for the F12 for more than two months now, after being told to wait for another 2 months, I got impatient and got a Rel T-1 instead. However, I found Rel T-1 a little too bloomy for my taste. Anyone with experience with Rel T-1 and F12 could you let me know if I could expect tighter and deeper bass (vs. Rel T-1) from the F12? My main speakers are Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. The sub and speakers are only used for music. Thanks.

The F15 is only $100 more!
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post #6309 of 9689
5/6/12 at 6:12pm
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Thanks for the reply. I'm still on the fence though. It seems like just when I make up my mind, I read something else that changes my mind.

I can relate. I researched subwoofers for months before finally pulling the trigger on the FV12. Still loving my purchase.....
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post #6310 of 9689
5/6/12 at 6:30pm
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the f15 is only $100 more!

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post #6311 of 9689
5/6/12 at 6:48pm
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No, the Antimode will adjust frequency and time domain, as it says in its manual. Keep in mind most subs do not even have a phase adjustment knob, just a 0/180 degree switch and that is almost useless.

Thank you.
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post #6312 of 9689
5/6/12 at 7:56pm
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Where? I just looked on their site and it was $400 more.
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post #6313 of 9689
5/6/12 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Where? I just looked on their site and it was $400 more.

Not sure where you are looking

F12: $874
F15: $974

In my book F15 is more bang for your buck.
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post #6314 of 9689
5/6/12 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Not sure where you are looking

F12: $874
F15: $974

In my book F15 is more bang for your buck.

Plus 3..For $100. more the F15 would be better than the F12. I think you were looking at the FV15's price.

Jeff
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post #6315 of 9689
5/7/12 at 3:14am
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Plus 3..For $100. more the F15 would be better than the F12. I think you were looking at the FV15's price.

Jeff

He's looking at the FV12 not the F12.
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post #6316 of 9689
5/7/12 at 6:09am
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He's looking at the FV12 not the F12.

He said:

"Been waiting for the F12 for more than two months now, after being told to wait for another 2 months, I got impatient and got a Rel T-1 instead. However, I found Rel T-1 a little too bloomy for my taste. Anyone with experience with Rel T-1 and F12 could you let me know if I could expect tighter and deeper bass (vs. Rel T-1) from the F12? My main speakers are Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. The sub and speakers are only used for music. Thanks."

You sure about that? Maybe he meant FV12 instead of F12, but it's not what he wrote and was asking questions about. Could be a case of forgetting or not realizing you weren't typing the V. I did that a few times. Sort of easy to do since the models are so close in name to one another.
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post #6317 of 9689
5/7/12 at 6:45am
Thanks for your reply. Could I ask, just to understand the context, if you had a chance to audition Rel T1 at home or in store before making the decision to go with the F12SE? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

REL T1 was actually my first choice back when I didn't know any better. Apparently it was well though of in certain circles back in the day, but technology has moved on.

REL T Series are actually entry level product for REL and therefore do not provide value-for-money. To get quality REL product, you should consider Gibraltar line. T Series are passive radiator designs and not well designed; they may be OK for home cinema but not for music. There's a good reason sealed sub-woofers are best for music.

Additionally, F12 give you the option of using it's parametric equaliser whereas REL T Series has no such option.

BTW, my usage is 75/25 music/home cinema.

I spent quite a bit of time researching all this and finally arrived at Rythmik's doorstep. My F12SE was delivered in January and time has shown that my patience has been rewarded. It's fulfilled all my expectations and more.

Patience is a virtue
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post #6318 of 9689
5/7/12 at 6:57am
My object of desire is the F12, more specifically the F12SE

I want Rythmik's best sounding sub for music and the F12 is what recommended on Rythmik's website, I believe. I don't listen to music loud so power is not that important. What important to me is deep and tight bass. Am I looking at the right thing?

By the way, the object of desire has forever been out of stock. I was ready to place the order in Dec but it was out of stock then. It's back in stock briefly (maybe 10 days or so) in late Feb but I couldn't place the order in time due to traveling. And it's been out of stock ever since.

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He said:

"Been waiting for the F12 for more than two months now, after being told to wait for another 2 months, I got impatient and got a Rel T-1 instead. However, I found Rel T-1 a little too bloomy for my taste. Anyone with experience with Rel T-1 and F12 could you let me know if I could expect tighter and deeper bass (vs. Rel T-1) from the F12? My main speakers are Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. The sub and speakers are only used for music. Thanks."

You sure about that? Maybe he meant FV12 instead of F12, but it's not what he wrote and was asking questions about. Could be a case of forgetting or not realizing you weren't typing the V. I did that a few times. Sort of easy to do since the models are so close in name to one another.
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post #6319 of 9689
5/7/12 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by Foreverandone View Post

My object of desire is the F12, more specifically the F12SE

I want Rythmik's best sounding sub for music and the F12 is what recommended on Rythmik's website, I believe. I don't listen to music loud so power is not that important. What important to me is deep and tight bass. Am I looking at the right thing?

By the way, the object of desire has forever been out of stock. I was ready to place the order in Dec but it was out of stock then. It's back in stock briefly (maybe 10 days or so) in late Feb but I couldn't place the order in time due to traveling. And it's been out of stock ever since.

You are looking at the right thing. The F12 will be deep and tight. The F15 just as deep, just as tight, but with more output capability due to its bigger driver. And at only $100 more it seems like a good insurance policy in case you ever want more output. Plus, maybe they are in stock and you wouldn't have to wait. They are larger than the F12 though, so maybe that would also be a consideration.
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post #6320 of 9689
5/7/12 at 7:17am
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You sure about that? Maybe he meant FV12 instead of F12, but it's not what he wrote and was asking questions about. Could be a case of forgetting or not realizing you weren't typing the V. I did that a few times. Sort of easy to do since the models are so close in name to one another.

I think we're talking about two different posts.
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post #6321 of 9689
5/7/12 at 7:49am
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I think we're talking about two different posts.

Probably.
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post #6322 of 9689
5/7/12 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Not sure where you are looking

F12: $874
F15: $974

In my book F15 is more bang for your buck.

Ah. I was looking at the fv12.
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post #6323 of 9689
5/7/12 at 2:10pm
Do Rythmik products have their logo on them because I just don't see a logo on their subwoofers. I am considering buying the FV15HP and was trying to see where they put their logo on that FV15HP.
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post #6324 of 9689
5/7/12 at 2:11pm
If I am not mistaken I believe on my FV12 there is a logo on the amplifier, but none elsewhere.
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post #6325 of 9689
5/7/12 at 2:18pm
Ah, I found this image showing the back of the FV15HP with a logo:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...iew_fullscreen
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post #6326 of 9689
5/7/12 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Foreverandone View Post

Thanks for your reply. Could I ask, just to understand the context, if you had a chance to audition Rel T1 at home or in store before making the decision to go with the F12SE? Thanks.

Initial attraction to T1 was due to cosmetic features; small size and colour options. White finish would allow it to blend with environment so as not to be so distracting.

Finally listened to one at someone's home and was quite disappointed of SQ. Seemed a bloated mess of sound that all merged as one. Not to my liking.

Later I visited a Velodyne shop and listened to a DD15+ on demo. Very impressed of it as SQ was exactly what I was searching for. Quite keen of it until price was mentioned. So much for that,

Finally came round to Rythmik. F12 size is exactly right but not keen of black sub-woofers. Figured I would try the SE version and hope for the best. When it was finally delivered I was impressed by finish. Much better than I had though it would be and SQ is quite close to the Velodyne DD sub. I can easily live with piano black finish.
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post #6327 of 9689
5/7/12 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Foreverandone View Post

My object of desire is the F12, more specifically the F12SE

I want Rythmik's best sounding sub for music and the F12 is what recommended on Rythmik's website, I believe. I don't listen to music loud so power is not that important. What important to me is deep and tight bass. Am I looking at the right thing?

By the way, the object of desire has forever been out of stock. I was ready to place the order in Dec but it was out of stock then. It's back in stock briefly (maybe 10 days or so) in late Feb but I couldn't place the order in time due to traveling. And it's been out of stock ever since.

The F15 is just as accurate as the F12.....but you get more headroom. And in reality IMO the F15 is actually more accurate because of the added 3-4db gained headroom. In other words, if you need the F12 to play X music at Y loudness, you have to basically double the power of the F12's plateamp for the same output as you would on the F15. That in turn means you have less dynamic headroom and more chance for distortion/clipping, especially if your sub plays at higher output levels. The only times I would recommend the F12 is if floor space and BUDGET are absolute priorities.
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post #6328 of 9689
5/7/12 at 5:11pm
So I bought a turntable and had problem with the accuracy of the sub. It seemed to be picking up rumble and not behaving accurately at well. I think this is what the rumble filter is supposed to be for....my question is....is the rumble filter on the Rythmik subs the same as adding a subsonic filter? Or would I benefit from adding a subsonic filter into the chain as well?
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post #6329 of 9689
5/7/12 at 6:40pm
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So I bought a turntable and had problem with the accuracy of the sub. It seemed to be picking up rumble and not behaving accurately at well. I think this is what the rumble filter is supposed to be for....my question is....is the rumble filter on the Rythmik subs the same as adding a subsonic filter? Or would I benefit from adding a subsonic filter into the chain as well?

Ben,

You have an FV15HP. So use 2port mode and set the rumble filter to ON/2. If you set it to 1 port mode, you will hear a lot of record warp. You will see the cone moving in and out literally without generating audible sound.
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post #6330 of 9689
5/7/12 at 6:45pm
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Ben,

You have an FV15HP. So use 2port mode and set the rumble filter to ON/2. If you set it to 1 port mode, you will hear a lot of record warp. You will see the cone moving in and out literally without generating audible sound.

That's pretty much what happened but I did have it in two port. I didn't set it to on/2 though. That doesn't disable anything the receiver is doing for x-over though does it?

To my second point...would a subsonic filter benefit me at all or is setting it to ON/2 basically doing the same thing as a subsonic filter?
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