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post #6841 of 15160
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Originally Posted by and_elli View Post

Is there any other diffrences between F12 and F12SE in perfomance and except of the Piano black finish on the SE.
And is there any performance diffrence between black cone vs silver cone? or is it just looks ?
And the last question, is there any plans for a HP version of the F12??? just so i buy 2xF12 and then in one year it comes a HP version of it!!
F12 and F12SE are same except finish. The cones in all F12/F15/FV15 are made of aluminum. The color you see is just the anodized color. There is no F12HP in plan as the ROI is not as good as putting an HP in FV15 or F15/E15. That is, if we design a motor capable of high excursion, it is best to put it on large cone drivers. Still F12 is very capable. Its stiff aluminum cone does make a difference.
post #6842 of 15160
OK, thanks for the answer:) then i will just need to save up the last couple of $ for to buy the 2xF12:)
post #6843 of 15160
I have been looking at the Rythmik lines of Subs for awhile now. This sub will be used for HT majority of the time. Which direction should I go for a 16'x12'x8' room knowing that I need overkill because we plan on moving down the road to a bigger dedicated theater.

I also have been trying to compare the Epik Empire to any Rythmik. Has anybody compared them?
post #6844 of 15160
I am in the same boat and I heard that Rythmik should be releasing their ported sub in September?? any news on that? The new FV12? around $600 ?
post #6845 of 15160
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Originally Posted by deach33 View Post

I have been looking at the Rythmik lines of Subs for awhile now. This sub will be used for HT majority of the time. Which direction should I go for a 16'x12'x8' room knowing that I need overkill because we plan on moving down the road to a bigger dedicated theater.

I also have been trying to compare the Epik Empire to any Rythmik. Has anybody compared them?

Those room dimensions are going to lead to a lot of peaks and valleys due to room modes...

The concensus seems to be FV15 for HT. I would look to getting a second sub in the future if you go to a larger room to help smooth the response rather than spending more for an HP version now.

I believe there is a thread comparing Epik to Rythmik but I have not heard them. I was sold by the servo design and Brian's customer support.
post #6846 of 15160
I have a question about changing settings on the PEQ3 amp in my F12. Should the amp be turned off before changing Extension Filter settings (hz and damping)? I don't want to hurt this wonderful subwoofer! smile.gif
post #6847 of 15160
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Originally Posted by deach33 View Post

I have been looking at the Rythmik lines of Subs for awhile now. This sub will be used for HT majority of the time. Which direction should I go for a 16'x12'x8' room knowing that I need overkill because we plan on moving down the road to a bigger dedicated theater.

I also have been trying to compare the Epik Empire to any Rythmik. Has anybody compared them?


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1313176/shootout-epik-empire-vs-hsu-vtf-15h-vs-cht-cs18-1-vs-rythmik-fv15-vs-ed-a7s-450
post #6848 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Ishniknork View Post

I have a question about changing settings on the PEQ3 amp in my F12. Should the amp be turned off before changing Extension Filter settings (hz and damping)? I don't want to hurt this wonderful subwoofer! smile.gif
Why tempt fate? smile.gif

I'm quite pedantic of this, but I always turn my PEQ3 amplifier off before I make any sort of configuration change.

Besides, it's much easier than the possible alternative. Wouldn't you agree?
Edited by Iain- - 8/18/12 at 9:35am
post #6849 of 15160
I always have left it on so I can more easily hear the difference. I would think if there was a problem with this Brian would have put some sort of warning in the manual.
post #6850 of 15160
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

I always have left it on so I can more easily hear the difference. I would think if there was a problem with this Brian would have put some sort of warning in the manual.

Certain control can cause a slight thump noise (in particular the LOW PASS FILTER setting) because that switch switches in and out of capacitors which causes charge sharing and sudden change in capacitor potential. If you are not concerned about hearing a slight thump, it is ok to toggle all of those switches when the amp is on.
post #6851 of 15160
Thanks Iain, millerrh and Brian.

I've always turned the amp off so far. Like Iain said "Why tempt fate". I won't worry about changing the extension filter settings while it's on then. I'm hooked up to LFE In right now so I won't be messing with the Low Pass settings but now that I figure the F12 is broken in I'm experimenting with extension settings.
Edited by Ishniknork - 8/21/12 at 4:47pm
post #6852 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Pianist718 View Post

I am in the same boat and I heard that Rythmik should be releasing their ported sub in September?? any news on that? The new FV12? around $600 ?
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Originally Posted by deach33 View Post

I have been looking at the Rythmik lines of Subs for awhile now. This sub will be used for HT majority of the time. Which direction should I go for a 16'x12'x8' room knowing that I need overkill because we plan on moving down the road to a bigger dedicated theater.
I also have been trying to compare the Epik Empire to any Rythmik. Has anybody compared them?

I have a single FV15 in my room and it's an amazing sub to say the least. My listening area size is near yours, but I have cathedrial ceilings that go up to 14ft and the room goes back another 20 ft. from the listening area. One FV15 in your room will be awesome. And I made my decision based on what people said on this forum AND the subwoofer shootout that someone provided a link to.

Jeff.
post #6853 of 15160
Will the rythmic fv15 hp rattle my room 17x16x8 with two openings one 8 ft one 4ft mostly ht / tv 90 music 10 or will the svs pb 12 plus be better or pb13 ultra?
post #6854 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Sfniner View Post

Will the rythmic fv15 hp rattle my room 17x16x8 with two openings one 8 ft one 4ft mostly ht / tv 90 music 10 or will the svs pb 12 plus be better or pb13 ultra?

Watch the shootout, that's where I made my decision. The FV15HP will not only rattle your room, but your neighbors as well. Think of it being neighborly by giving them free LFE. I have the FV15 and it's amazing. And your room is smaller.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1313176/shootout-epik-empire-vs-hsu-vtf-15h-vs-cht-cs18-1-vs-rythmik-fv15-vs-ed-a7s-450

Jeff
post #6855 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Sfniner View Post

Will the rythmic fv15 hp rattle my room 17x16x8 with two openings one 8 ft one 4ft mostly ht / tv 90 music 10 or will the svs pb 12 plus be better or pb13 ultra?
I also have a FV15 clone in a room larger than yours. Last night I was watching Captain America on Netflix so the sound was not blue ray quality, my daughter was in her room with the door shut and she said she couldn't go to sleep because her bed was vibrating from the movie. So yes I think it will rattle your room very well.
post #6856 of 15160
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Originally Posted by LarryU View Post

I also have a FV15 clone in a room larger than yours. Last night I was watching Captain America on Netflix so the sound was not blue ray quality, my daughter was in her room with the door shut and she said she couldn't go to sleep because her bed was vibrating from the movie. So yes I think it will rattle your room very well.
It's not rattling my house cos it's fully concrete-brick built. biggrin.gif
post #6857 of 15160
It's not rattling my house cos it's fully concrete-brick built. biggrin.gif[/quote]
Bet it rattles everything in it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
post #6858 of 15160
Do you guys burn-in your subwoofer before giving it a serious workout? Or just pop in WOTW asap biggrin.gif ?
post #6859 of 15160
I personally took it easy for a week, not sure the official recommendation.
post #6860 of 15160
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Originally Posted by LarryU View Post

I also have a FV15 clone in a room larger than yours. Last night I was watching Captain America on Netflix so the sound was not blue ray quality, my daughter was in her room with the door shut and she said she couldn't go to sleep because her bed was vibrating from the movie. So yes I think it will rattle your room very well.

Larry, it looks like you did the sealed -> vented conversion yourself. It is easy, isn't it? I guess building the box is the more difficult one.
post #6861 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

Larry, it looks like you did the sealed -> vented conversion yourself. It is easy, isn't it? I guess building the box is the more difficult one.

What modifications are required to the amp to go from a sealed to a vented cabinet?
post #6862 of 15160
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

Watch the shootout, that's where I made my decision. The FV15HP will not only rattle your room, but your neighbors as well. Think of it being neighborly by giving them free LFE. I have the FV15 and it's amazing. And your room is smaller.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1313176/shootout-epik-empire-vs-hsu-vtf-15h-vs-cht-cs18-1-vs-rythmik-fv15-vs-ed-a7s-450
Jeff

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Originally Posted by LarryU View Post

I also have a FV15 clone in a room larger than yours. Last night I was watching Captain America on Netflix so the sound was not blue ray quality, my daughter was in her room with the door shut and she said she couldn't go to sleep because her bed was vibrating from the movie. So yes I think it will rattle your room very well.

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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

It's not rattling my house cos it's fully concrete-brick built. biggrin.gif

Was there a reason why you guys did not opt for the "HP" version. I am thinking of the less expensive of the two if they both have similar audio quality, and that the HP is just slightly louder. I personally would like to feel the rumbling effect when it goes lower and lower in this video but I don't think i listen at reference levels/really loud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJvdGR-nnmo
post #6863 of 15160
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Originally Posted by e2g_ View Post

Was there a reason why you guys did not opt for the "HP" version. I am thinking of the less expensive of the two if they both have similar audio quality, and that the HP is just slightly louder. I personally would like to feel the rumbling effect when it goes lower and lower in this video but I don't think i listen at reference levels/really loud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJvdGR-nnmo

My initial budget was $500. Then I read all the good things about Rythmik. Then I was looking at the F15, which was the upper (after I increased it!) limit of my budget at $974. So after watching the shootout for the umpteenth time I went the extra $150 for the FV15, but didn't want to go the extra $300. for the HP version. I trusted the guys on the shootout and it turned out to be what they said is true. It's powerful, it's loud and it is amazing. And Brian and Enrico at Rythmik are the best. Friendly, and helpful. I'm hearing notes on music I never heard before. During movies the LFE just plain and simple kicks butt! Put in War Of The Worlds, the pod emergence scene and you will know what you were missing. I did the Buzz and Rattle test on DVE's sound tests and had to go around with Party Tack to stop everything from rattling! If you can afford the HP version then go for it. Be forewarned though..and this is serious! biggrin.gif You won't be able to stop smiling, think of it as, you will look like the Joker from Batman!

Jeff
post #6864 of 15160
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

My initial budget was $500. Then I read all the good things about Rythmik. Then I was looking at the F15, which was the upper (after I increased it!) limit of my budget at $974. So after watching the shootout for the umpteenth time I went the extra $150 for the FV15, but didn't want to go the extra $300. for the HP version. I trusted the guys on the shootout and it turned out to be what they said is true. It's powerful, it's loud and it is amazing. And Brian and Enrico at Rythmik are the best. Friendly, and helpful. I'm hearing notes on music I never heard before. During movies the LFE just plain and simple kicks butt! Put in War Of The Worlds, the pod emergence scene and you will know what you were missing. I did the Buzz and Rattle test on DVE's sound tests and had to go around with Party Tack to stop everything from rattling! If you can afford the HP version then go for it. Be forewarned though..and this is serious! biggrin.gif You won't be able to stop smiling, think of it as, you will look like the Joker from Batman!
Jeff
I also had $500 budgeted for a sub. The more I researched, the higher the budget went and the more my purchase date had to be pushed out. I finally went with the FV15 because it would have been a lot longer for me to get the extra into the budget for the HP version. I figured that I could live with 2db less max output. So far (it's been about 6 months), I haven't missed the 2db.
post #6865 of 15160
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Originally Posted by pronghorn/az View Post

I did the Buzz and Rattle test on DVE's sound tests and had to go around with Party Tack to stop everything from rattling!
Jeff

LOL. My BIC-PL200 does that to some degree on a picture frame. So I can't imagine a $1000+ sub,


Thanks for the reply. Was very informative to me. and like you, I have watched the shootout for the umphteenth time.
post #6866 of 15160
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Originally Posted by MikeBiker View Post

I also had $500 budgeted for a sub. The more I researched, the higher the budget went and the more my purchase date had to be pushed out. I finally went with the FV15 because it would have been a lot longer for me to get the extra into the budget for the HP version. I figured that I could live with 2db less max output. So far (it's been about 6 months), I haven't missed the 2db.

Funny, I also budgeted $500 for a sub. Now I have 2 F15HPs. eek.gif

Don't regret it one bit. Probably would have been OK without the HP. But talked myself into the extra headroom "just in case."
post #6867 of 15160
I wish I could have Rythmik change the colour of the cone to match my Klipsch RF-7II. My $300 BIC PL-200 conveniently matches that cone colour already.
post #6868 of 15160
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Originally Posted by e2g_ View Post

I wish I could have Rythmik change the color of the cone to match my Clips RF-7II. My $300 BIC PL-200 conveniently matches that cone color already.

If I remember right, those golden color are poly cone. Poly cone is pretty soft and heavy. For subwoofer I am looking for the best stiffness to mass ratio and poly is not my favorite. But that is really my personal opinion. Sometimes, there are practices that based on your experience you won't go to that route. But inexperience engineers would give you "there is no proof" type of argument. I don't want to get into that type of discussion.
post #6869 of 15160
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

If I remember right, those golden color are poly cone. Poly cone is pretty soft and heavy. For subwoofer I am looking for the best stiffness to mass ratio and poly is not my favorite. But that is really my personal opinion. Sometimes, there are practices that based on your experience you won't go to that route. But inexperience engineers would give you "there is no proof" type of argument. I don't want to get into that type of discussion.

Okay, thanks for the explanation.
post #6870 of 15160
Actually the Klipsch Reference speakers having been using a cerametallic woofer which is suppose to be very light for several generations.

"Our light, yet rigid Cerametallic woofer cones feature specially treated aluminum to help better dampen and prevent distortion."
http://www.klipsch.com/rf-7-ii-floorstanding-speaker

Best Regards
KvE
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