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post #7201 of 9669
10/28/12 at 9:02am
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How loud should I play while breaking in? Should I restrain myself the first (10?) hours and play quiet, then increase the volume over time?
Play content at a moderate volume (i.e., regular listening level, not "demo" level) for the first few hours and you'll be fine. smile.gif
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post #7202 of 9669
10/28/12 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

I'm looking to purchase a Rythmik sub, but I can't decide if I want to go sealed or ported.
I'm looking at the F15 or the FV15. I'm about 50/50 music and movies, but the audio quality on the music is more important to me. I want a sub that sounds great for 2.1 music and digs deep enough for home theater use as well. I almost never listen at or even near reference volume.
I'm looking at the specs on each and having trouble figuring out how deep each sub can go.

I've listened to both back to back in my living room and posted a review earlier in this thread somewhere. Here's my thoughts (personal preference):

FV15
Better for LFE in movies - my face was literally vibrating, walls were shaking, all well below reference. Was not bloated sounding though, very tight. This thing made movies come alive.
Very large - I did not like how big it was in my living room
Surprisingly excellent sound quality from a ported sub compared to others I have listened to. Very tight. The sound signature between F15 and FV15 is very similar. While there are subtle differences, they are subtle and you'd probably have to compare back to back to hear them.
More expensive

F15
The lowest bass notes more subdued compared to FV15 - but to me it seemed like a flatter response. With the FV15 I would tend to notice these low notes a bit more. The F15 seems to blend better with the rest of the soundstage in my living room. I think I have a bad environment in my room that makes subs sound boomy though, so I was trying to minimize it that and draw more attention to mid-bass. I feel like The F15's did this to a better degree.
Surprisingly still awesome at LFE. These things dig deep and powerfully.
Smaller - was important to me to have a living room that looks good. These blend into the entertainment center area better.
Lower cost - always a good thing.

I went into the comparison expecting to want the FV15HP, but ended up going with two F15HPs. And I could not be happier with them. But I think you'd be happy with either. They both sound so similar to one another. The differences I noticed are subtle to say the least. Comparing to a ported Hsu I had, either Rythmik blew it away. Since you have a preference for music, I'd recommend the F15 though. It's basically how I was approaching it and I liked how it was smaller and cheaper as well. It definitely won't disappoint in movies, so don't worry about that.
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post #7203 of 9669
10/28/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by below90hz View Post

To BDP24:
In both cases, one really needs to look at the Thiele/Small parameters to get a good idea of a driver's accuracy and air displacement. T/S parameters, signal strength and enclosure specs will tell you a whole lot more than say, going to a subwoofer gtg and sitting with a sub for a mere 30-60 minutes of listening. As Brian mentioned, something as simple as not locating the sub properly can completely mask what the sub is actually capable of. That makes any listening impressions from that 30-60 minutes pretty much useless. wink.gif

Ethan, I agree with you on these points. That is also why I don't mystify what servo does. Most customers know servo as a way to reduce distortion. But it is deeper than that. I want to relate servo to T/S parameters. Servo actually changes the Qts value of the T/S parameters. The result is a tighter cone control, more inner detail as the cone can now follow the signal track much better. The reduction in Qts is 3x. If one wants to implement that in brute force, it will take 3x of the magnet. Now typical Qts values of our drivers range from 0.4 to 0.3. 3x reduction makes them 0.13 to 0.1.

As for 30-60 minutes of listening, I will even go further and recommend do what serious audio show attendees would do --- bring their own CD/DVD or material that they have listened 1000 times and at least allocate a percentage of time for them to be played.
Edited by Rythmik - 10/28/12 at 11:05am
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post #7204 of 9669
10/28/12 at 10:53am
^^^
Thanks!!! Great information!

How low does each sub hit? I can't really figure it out from Rythmik's website. It says 14Hz, but that doesn't seem like the number I'm looking for. I'm going back and forth between an Ascend/Rythmik setup or a HSU setup. I'm looking at the HSU VTF-15H that according to HSU, can go down to 16HZ ported or 22 Hz sealed. How do the Rythmik subs compare?
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post #7205 of 9669
10/28/12 at 11:34am
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I was like you trying to decide between the hsu vtf15h and Rythmik Fv15hp. I used to own the hsu vtf2.3. I love this sub but wanted to upgrade like everyone who hanging around this forum. I wanted the vtf15h at first but after reading the Audioholic review and the two brothers subs shoot out, i went with the fv15hp. It is a very nice sub. The hsu is also very nice but according to Audioholic, Rythmik can play louder and deeper. Who doesn't want that? The fv15hp seems to impress lots of folks at the recent Northeast GTG. Honestly You can't go wrong with either.
Edited by Cowboys - 10/28/12 at 11:43am
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post #7206 of 9669
10/28/12 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

^^^
Thanks!!! Great information!
How low does each sub hit? I can't really figure it out from Rythmik's website. It says 14Hz, but that doesn't seem like the number I'm looking for. I'm going back and forth between an Ascend/Rythmik setup or a HSU setup. I'm looking at the HSU VTF-15H that according to HSU, can go down to 16HZ ported or 22 Hz sealed. How do the Rythmik subs compare?

I don't really know for sure. Didn't measure. But I believe the F15 goes lower to 14 Hz from looking at graphs on Rythmik's website and from what others have said. Here's the link to Rythmik's site where the graphs are shown at various EQ settings: http://www.rythmikaudio.com/eq.html

I think either will go low, but the F15 slightly lower. The FV15 is ported and tuned to have higher SPL at around 20 Hz. <- This is from memory, so it may be wrong. But I think the logic is sound. Maybe Brian can comment on this more and give you specifics. I think I saw a graph with the F15 and FV15 laid on top of each other at one point. They are very similar to each other throughout the frequency band except down low where the F15 has slightly higher SPL down low to 14Hz but the FV15 has a very slight increase around its tuning frequency. To me, this means the F15 is slightly flatter overall. But I am not expert. They tracked with each other very closely though. And the sound is very similar.

It's easy to get distracted by numbers when shopping for subs. But numbers do not tell you how it sounds musically. When I did my comparison, I also tested against a Hsu VTF 3 Mk 4. When you're actually listening to them, you stop caring about pure numbers and concentrate on how it sounds. Even if the Hsu could get lower than the Rythmik (doubt it anyway), it sounded horrible in comparison. It was way too boomy. Where a bass note stopped and started you couldn't tell. All you heard were low frequency rumbles. With the Rythmiks, the response is super tight. When the bass note stops, so does the sub. What that means is you get crisp bass that you can feel and hear musically. The Rythmiks blend in with the mains in a very transparent way. It just makes it sound like you have much fuller front speakers as opposed to a boom box in the corner. They don't call attention to themselves, but they are obviously there.
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post #7207 of 9669
10/28/12 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by millerrh View Post

Where a bass note stopped and started you couldn't tell. All you heard were low frequency rumbles. With the Rythmiks, the response is super tight. When the bass note stops, so does the sub. What that means is you get crisp bass that you can feel and hear musically.
What song do you use for this test? Care to share?
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post #7208 of 9669
10/29/12 at 5:06am
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What song do you use for this test? Care to share?

I used different types of music and lots of songs. But always the same songs between subs. Can't remember exactly what songs, but it was house music, I think something from Dave Matthews, a couple country songs with good baselines and some hard rock. It's important to listen to songs you are familiar with so you can appreciate the nuances
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post #7209 of 9669
10/29/12 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

What song do you use for this test? Care to share?

Any good recording will do. Music is a mix of staccato notes and legato notes. Staccato notes sound like individual notes, very much used in a marching or something to emphasize the speed or pace. Legato, on the other hand, is connected, smooth notes playing and relaxing. A good playback system can show the contrast of these two, instead of everything sound more or less like legato (overly relaxing). Even good techno music like blue man group "audio" album track 8 and 9 show pretty good contrast between legato and staccato. Track 8 sounded like a mini march, with legato bass in the background. Then you switch to track 9 and it is similar except the background bass is even stronger and there is a bass goes like 4-5 secconds at a time with envelope goes/resonates like twice a second. On less clear system, you hear less of the bass envelope and make it sound like just one continuous bass note (like normal legato).
Edited by Rythmik - 10/29/12 at 8:05am
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post #7210 of 9669
10/30/12 at 10:22am
hey if anyone is interested in seeing what 2x dual Rythmik F25's look like in a room, take a look at the theatre I designed for my brother.

teaser shot:



CLICK HERE for the build thread and a bunch of full size views
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post #7211 of 9669
10/30/12 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by below90hz View Post

hey if anyone is interested in seeing what 2x dual Rythmik F25's look like in a room, take a look at the theatre I designed for my brother.

That looks like 4x F25!!
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post #7212 of 9669
10/31/12 at 6:51am
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That looks like 4x F25!!

Yup. 2x dual F25's = Four F25's total. tongue.gif
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post #7213 of 9669
10/31/12 at 12:58pm
^^^
That setup could compete favorably with subs costing much more; such as the JL Gotham, the Paradigm Sub 2, and even the Wilson Thor! Am I right when they are co-located like in the pic there'll be a 3 dB gain in the output? I'm waiting for only a pair. I hope Brian can give us an update on the new F25; hope it wouldn't take another 3 months!
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post #7214 of 9669
10/31/12 at 1:11pm
If they are within a quarter wavelength of each other, there should be coupling resulting in a theoretical 6 dB increase, but what happens inside rooms with home-sized dimensions will vary.
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post #7215 of 9669
10/31/12 at 2:56pm
As a suggestion, a sound meter from Radio Shack or Amazon goes a long way in helping balance the output of the two sub's and seeing what's what with what regarding volume increases by measuring the subs when one is on and then again when both are turned on.
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post #7216 of 9669
11/1/12 at 4:12pm
Hi

I know this is a long shot, but I thought Id give it a shot.
I am on the west coast washington state and Canada Border its hard to buy something without
listening to them. I can drive anywhere in washington state or anywhere in vancouver,canada
if someone has these and could give me an opportunity to listen to them.

If I like them I would order 2 of them and I would definately extend this Courtesy to other
potential buyers if I were to purchase them.

I wanted to buy 2 15inch Rythmiks I dont know if ported or sealed which would be better my use which is 99% movies.
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post #7217 of 9669
11/1/12 at 4:54pm
I have to post this. I have not been around here in months. I had purchased a F15 sub from Rythmik in August 2011, and really enjoyed that thing! Accurate, controlled, sonic bass reproduction. So August 29th, 2012 my house was flooded thanks to Hurricane Isaac tidal surge. 12" in my house and 4" in my car in the garage. I was here when the saltwater came in, and only left after it backed out of the house 25 hours later. Unfortunately, I sacrificed my F15 because I didn't want to take a chance of injuring my back trying to lift it onto a coffee table. I had bigger fish to fry at the time. It was a total loss along with many of my possessions.

Anyways, the reason for this post is this....Brian Ding is the man behind Rythmik and its products and technology. I emailed Brian and he hooked me up with a replacement FV15HP this time around, at a discount for being a "repeat offender". I cannot stress what a solid, honest businessman Brian is. When you buy a Rythmik product, not only do you get a fine product, but solid, customer service and support. They might be slow to respond to email sometimes, because they are quite busy manufacturing or developing products, but they will get back to you, treat you properly, and with respect. Many times an uncommon response in today's business/consumer world.

So if anyone is on the fence about Rythmik, the guys based in TX, buy with confidence. Brian Ding does it about as well as can be executed....and a super sounding, solid quality product.

(no, I do not work for or am related to Rythmik, or anyone there. I have the sad pics to prove my account, my loss of my first beloved F15)
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post #7218 of 9669
11/2/12 at 7:33am
You could have unscrewed the driver and the amp. There is no need to lift the whole thing. Great to hear that Brian hooked you up with a discount replacement. Yes, Brian offers great support. He offered to upgrade my amps to PEG3, 3 months later I have not sent them to him yet. I guess the main reason for the delay is that I can't live without his awesome Rythmiks. One day I will send them to him for surgery. biggrin.gif
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post #7219 of 9669
11/2/12 at 9:01pm
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The E15 sounded great in my opinion. I really liked the way it sounded especially for music and I felt it was superior in the music section to the HSU ULS15 and the PSA15 ---though those two subs do cost less.
Personally I liked the FV15HP a bit more than the E15 ---- but the E15 sounded great too.
The Rythmik subs went up a notch in my personal recommendation list after this last meet.
however ----
BDP24 you need to go to a subwoofer meet. 18" subs don't lose anything in the sound quality arena to even a 10" subwoofer. A 20hz note means the subwoofer moves 20 cycles per second. A 10", 12" 15" and 18" subwoofer must all move 20 cycles per second to make that note. What the big drivers do gain is significantly more air displacement capability -- which leads to more of what you like at greater SPL. The 18" subs we were auditioning at the meet, were not the typical mobile DJ PA low cost subwoofers...




Archaea---I would love to go to a GTG, but there hasn't been one closer to me than Northern California (about an 8 hour drive, and I don't know any of the fellas up there). I especially want to hear, of course, the TC 5400 in a medium sized (4 - 5 cu. ft.) sealed box. I would consider having one in the same room (2470 cu. ft., sealed, carpeted, and tube trapped) with the GR/Rythmik Open Baffle pair that I am putting together to run under my Electrostats, and the Rythmik H600/DS1510 pair that I am also about to receive from Brian and put in 4 cu. ft. boxes to augment the OB's. That may surprise you, as it appears you missed a couple of words in my post about the 18 inchers and the testimonials to them....."may or" from my statement about them (the 18's and the reports on them, that is). It's not that they may be better, are better, could be better, etc., than a Rythmic or any other sub you care to mention; it is, rather, that from the source material used and the comments made in the reports about the big subs, I have no idea from what was said in the reports if I would, or even just may, want one. What I listen to, and for, in a sub, are completely different from the things which are mentioned in such reports. And, contrary to the Politically Correct assertation, that excelling at reproducing movie sound effects automatically means that the same sub will excel at reproducing music, well, it just may be that what makes a sub good at doing one may not make it so good at doing the other. Further, that which sub is best for any given listener may be determined by what characteristics and qualities that listener requires from a sub, and that different subs have different strengths and weaknesses that affect, and perhaps even determine, their appropriateness for any given listener. As I haven't heard a TC 5400, I can't say if I think that it does some, or all, things better than all other subs available (as some reports have claimed). Nor do I think it needs to for me to consider aquiring one (or two!) of them. "18 inch subs don't lose anything in the sound quality arena to even a 10 inch subwoofer" you say. Nothing? Not one of them? I take it you've heard every 18" and 10" sub available. As I said, I haven't heard a TC 5400, but I am quite certain that the GR/Rythmik OB and/or Rythmik F15HP subs may do atleast SOMETHING better than it, in a way that might make it/them preferable for the use to which I put them, that of reproducing recordings of Baroque (piano, organ, harpsichord, double bass, cello, voice, etc., and Bluegrass (double bass, guitar, dobro, mandolin, voice) music. It could also be that the way in which the TC 5400 truly is better than any other sub---the lowest frequencies at the highest SPL with the lowest of some types of distortion---is not a characteristic that I require in a sub. And that what a Rythmik is best at (everyone is free to insert whatever he or she considers that to be), is. But that's just me.

Edited by BDP24 - 11/3/12 at 3:07am
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post #7220 of 9669
11/3/12 at 6:57am
Damn, I neglected to get to the main point! In reading comments on the sound of subs, I noticed that the terms and language used by proponents of the extreme-output subs sound like they come from the car audio world, and are now pursuing that same type of sound in their home systems. None of them seem to have turntable/arm/cartridge as source material, nor very high quality associated components, having receivers rather than audiophile quality pre-amps, cheap OpAmp and IC digital sources rather than those with discrete designs, the power amp sections of receivers with their weak power supplies and compromized-for-cost builds rather than high-end SS or tube amps, and mass-market rather than perfectionist main speakers. On the other hand, I immediately recognized kindred spirits in the words of Brian Bing of Rythmik and Danny Richie of GR Research. Coming from the audiophile world (which has a very low opinion of subs, in general) myself, I could tell that Brian and Danny are working to create products which achieve a sound quality judged incrementally to what I consider a higher standard than (or, if you don't agree with that assessment, one with different characteristics than) that of the high-output crowd. A higher standard of what constitutes quality sound, a standard that involves the concepts of, and employs the use of such terms as, transparency, definition, timbre, texture, soundstage/imaging, and rhythm and timing. Different standards, different goals, different sounds, different products. Drastically different, if you ask me. For example, whereas an audiophile values the ability of a sub to disappear, to not sound separate from his main speakers (the inability of most subs to do this is the main reason for their being held in such low esteem in Audiophilialand), a high-output sub enthusiast appears to me to desire, expect, and accept nothing less than the exact opposite---"Listen to that bass!!!". A sub that can, before and above every other consideration, achieve the SPL of the sound system at a live concert (which alone precludes the sub from disappearing). Perhaps not coincidentally, many of the designers of high-output subs appear to have come from, or are still in, the live-sound reinforcement field, and their designs for live and home products are not disimiliar. Brian's and Danny's designs in their Rythmik and GR products makes a high priority of their ability to be blended (in both time/distance and output) with their customer's main speakers, an ability far superior to that found in ANY 18" sub of which I am aware (anybody else?), many of which completely ignore this high priority-for high sound quality design requirement. Unrelated products can and are patched together to try and manage the bass system as a whole, but that is hardly in the same league as the Rythmik and GR integrated and optimized designs. Like I said.....Horses for courses. The abilities of a sub to excel for HT use may not make it good enough for the goal of the highest quality music reproduction possible. If the latter is what a listener is attempting to achieve, the former is irrelevent. No matter how much output a given sub has.
Edited by BDP24 - 11/3/12 at 8:27am
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post #7221 of 9669
11/3/12 at 7:33am
So much snake oil. Too much to even comment.
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post #7222 of 9669
11/3/12 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by BDP24 View Post

Damn, I neglected to get to the main point! In reading comments on the sound of subs, I noticed that the terms and language used by proponents of the extreme-output subs sound like they come from the car audio world, and are now pursuing that same type of sound in their home systems. None of them seem to have turntable/arm/cartridge as source material, nor very high quality associated components, having receivers rather than audiophile quality pre-amps, cheap OpAmp and IC design digital sources, mass-market solid state rather than high-end SS or tube amps, and mass-market rather than perfectionist main speakers. On the other hand, I immediately recognized kindred spirits in the words of Brian Bing of Rythmik and Danny Richie of GR Research. Coming from the audiophile world (which has a very low opinion of subs, in general) myself, I could tell that Brian and Danny are working to create products which achieve a sound quality judged incrementally to what I consider a higher standard than (or, if you don't agree with that accessment, one with different characteristics than) that of the high-output crowd. A higher standard of what constitutes quality sound, a standard that involves the concepts of, and employs the use of such terms as, transparency, definition, timbre, texture, soundstage/imaging, and rhythm and timing. Different standards, different goals, different sounds, different products. Drastically different, if you ask me. For example, whereas an audiophile values the ability of a sub to disappear, to not sound separate from his main speakers (the inability of most subs to do this is the main reason for them being held in such low esteem in Audiophilialand), a high-output sub enthusiast appears to me to desire, expect, and accept nothing less than the exact opposite---"Listen to that bass!!!". A sub that can, before and above every other consideration, achieve the SPL of the sound system at a live concert (which alone precludes the sub from disappearing). Perhaps not coincidentally, many of the designers of high-output subs appear to have come from, or are still in, the live-sound reinforcement field, and their designs for live and home products are not disimiliar. Brian's design in his Rythmik subs makes a high priority of their ability to be blended (in both time/distance and output) with his customer's main speakers, an ability far superior to that found in ANY 18" sub of which I am aware (anybody else?), many of which completely ignore this high priority-for high sound quality design requirement. Unrelated products can and are patched together to try and manage the bass system as a whole, but that is hardly in the same league as Brian's integrated and optimized design. Like I said.....Horses for courses.

I can agree with part of your post and disagree with the rest.

Don't dismiss "mass-market" kit as some of it are of quite high quality and has most of the positive attributes you list.

Most of those of us who are music-lovers immediately dismiss "audiophiles" who seem to be fanatically obsessed with hardware and will spend £££££ on cord and interconnects.

You seem to be stuck in the 1980's. A lot has changed since then, mate.
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post #7223 of 9669
11/3/12 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by BDP24 

Archaea---I take it you've heard every 18" and 10" sub available.


no...

but I've made it a point to hear quite a few in the last two years.... here is the list of subwoofers I've had the pleasure and good fortune to listen to since 2011.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425179/the-subwoofer-recommendation-by-pricepoint-thread/0_20#post_22318562

The idea that a smaller sub driver hits "faster" or more cleanly than a bigger sub driver is bunk and stems largely from car audio and pro audio realms where sub standard big drivers or un optomized cabinets are being used.


below90hz,

I vehemently disagree that subwoofer g2g events are not worthwhile to determine differences in subwoofers. Placement is typically identical. The room nulls and modes most often treat the subs in a very similar fashion,when placed in the same location as evidenced by the frequency response captures captured on each entry. You hear subs back to back in the same room. There is no better way to audition multiple subs. Listening to different speakers on different days in different rooms on different equipment as the alternative is worthless. Audio memory is terrible and biased.
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post #7224 of 9669
11/3/12 at 8:46am
at the last few g2g, including the most recent in PA, a standardized low volume was used for music to compare sound quality, and then the subs were allowed to cut loose on the movie section at the owners discretion to show capability -- in addition to sound quality.

media tracks were selected by attendee submission of favorites to represent a broad cross sampling of what the attendees like, are familiar with, and listen to at their homes. Furthermore there are 25 opinions, subjective comments and so forth, to read along with the objective measurements. The only gripe I can see is if your particular favorite didn't wind up collectively voted as favorite.

From my perspective the Rythmik subs did excellent at the recent g2g in PA, which is why I'm looking in on this thread.
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post #7225 of 9669
11/3/12 at 8:52am
The GTG's are a fun novelty that can offer the most basic information to the people reading the results. That's all most people on the AVS Forum really care about and that's fine. I think the GTG's are good for the hobby and hope more of them pop up. The only thing I would like to see in future events is to have a more even playing field. Comparing the HSU ULS-15 to a Seaton Submersive (with Mark Seaton present) isn't telling us anything. I know, you use what you have available and sometimes all things are not equal, but apples to apples would helpful.
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post #7226 of 9669
11/3/12 at 10:30am
below90hz,
I vehemently disagree that subwoofer g2g events are not worthwhile to determine differences in subwoofers.

---I'm not below90hz, but may I just say.....my problem is not with the GTG's themselves (great idea!), but rather that in all of the reports from them that I've read, the sub's abilities to play music is at best an afterthought, and that most of the references are to their abilities with movies. That's great for those looking for a sub or five for movies, but are reports from these shows of any value to music only sub users? Can a music lover looking for a sub take comments from a GTG attendee about a certain sub and conflate those comments with the sub's ability to play music? Does the ability to play movies well automatically mean that the sub will then also do well with music? I'm just askin'!
Edited by BDP24 - 11/3/12 at 11:04am
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post #7227 of 9669
11/3/12 at 11:00am
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I can agree with part of your post and disagree with the rest.

Don't dismiss "mass-market" kit as some of it are of quite high quality and has most of the positive attributes you list.

---It's different for you Iain, you're in a country with excellent mainstream hi-fi, the best in the world! Quad, Rega, Creek, SME.....both mainstream AND high-end. Most of my system is British.

Most of those of us who are music-lovers immediately dismiss "audiophiles" who seem to be fanatically obsessed with hardware and will spend £££££ on cord and interconnects.

---I know, I know.....Audiophile has become a dirty word. But anyone reading and posting here is, dare I say it.....an Audiophile.

You seem to be stuck in the 1980's. A lot has changed since then, mate.

---The 70's, actually. Dave Edmunds, Nick Lowe, Ian Gomm, Squeeze, etc. Hey, also all British! Actually, Edmunds is Welsh, but close enough. And in hi-fi, the best stuff was also affordable then. That has REALLY changed.
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post #7228 of 9669
11/3/12 at 11:59am
BDP24,

A great sub is a great sub and will sound good on both.

That said - I do feel there are subs more musical than others, and subs that are better for suited for home theater than others...But the line of demarcation isn't necessarily simply drawn. And admitedly some of the bias may well be placebo as we found in our 2012 KC Blind Subwoofer Meet, where the majority of subwoofer enthusiasts couldn't even tell what cabinet alignment (ported, sealed, horn) they were listening, much less which sub they were listening to in any given audition.

Examples of my personal thoughts on music vs. movies.....

The SVS PB13 Ultra pair I owned sounded awesome on movies, but I never liked them for music. I moved them all over my room, and they just didn't excite me for music no matter what I did.
The Jamo D7 Sub pair I owned at and around the same time as the SVS PB13 Ultras sounded awesome for music, but didn't really excite me that much for movies, probably primarily because they lacked the SPL needed to stir my excitement.
The Captivator pair I owned at and around the same time as these other two do both exceptionally.

The Epik Empire Subs I have heard on multiple occassions I really like for music. I feel they are good for movies, but absolutely great for music.
The Seaton Submersive sub I've heard on probably a dozen occasions in different rooms is probably my personal absolute favorite for music, and they also perform well on movies -- but to my ears my Captivators are notably better for movies, while only giving up a wee bit on the music front. I've had them lined them up head to head on a half dozen occasions and that's held true to my ears every time. There are nuances that might be ferreted out over more time with an audition -- but sound quality and personal preference is also seemingly immediately heard and recognized in a much shorter demo session.


So yes there are subs that do both well:
The Rythmik FV15HP seemed to do both very well at the PA meet...again I was very impressed with this offering.
The reason I still own my Captivator pair, after all the systems I've owned and auditioned in the last couple years is because I think they do both music and movies exceptionally well, and in addition to sounding fantastic, they have the ability to reproduce bass at ridiculously high volumes.
Edited by Archaea - 11/3/12 at 12:08pm
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11/3/12 at 12:21pm
What are you doing on the Official Rythmik thread? You just like hearing your gums flapping in the wind? Take back to your thread.
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11/3/12 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by DualMono View Post

What are you doing on the Official Rythmik thread? You just like hearing your gums flapping in the wind? Take back to your thread.

I'd rather read his opinion that yours. The best input is criticism, not a Rythmik fan boy circle jerk. An unbiased opinion from someone who likes a different product is always welcome. More value in the post and less reach around.
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