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post #7831 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

Yes, lower the gain on the sub a little to get closer to zero then you can bump it up some with the receiver.

I have the PEQ turned off since the installation guide recommended doing so when connected to an AVR, so will adjusting the gain have any effect?
post #7832 of 15127
^^
I could be wrong and do not have Pioneer AVR but doesn't Vertigo4 need to raise the gain on sub to get close to 0 since he is at -5db on sub channel?
post #7833 of 15127
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

^^
I could be wrong and do not have Pioneer AVR but doesn't Vertigo4 need to raise the gain on sub to get close to 0 since he is at -5db on sub channel?

I assumed it would be like audyssey. If minus you turn the gain down. I'll just shut up.
post #7834 of 15127
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Originally Posted by vertigo4 View Post

I have the PEQ turned off since the installation guide recommended doing so when connected to an AVR, so will adjusting the gain have any effect?
Those knobs under Peq are disable when Peq is off, adjust gain with the volume knob below it.
post #7835 of 15127
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

^^
I could be wrong and do not have Pioneer AVR but doesn't Vertigo4 need to raise the gain on sub to get close to 0 since he is at -5db on sub channel?

As I understand it, the AVR is adjusting the output down to -5db. So, in this instance it would make sense to have to adjust the subwoofer gain (or should it be volume/level?) down to make the AVR read closer to 0db after running MCACC. That's how I understand it, but I could certainly be wrong.
post #7836 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I assumed it would be like audyssey. If minus you turn the gain down. I'll just shut up.

No, please don't, I really appreciate the help! smile.gif
post #7837 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I assumed it would be like audyssey. If minus you turn the gain down. I'll just shut up.
If it is like Audessey, he needs to raise sub gain (the volume knob at bottom right)
post #7838 of 15127
I believe the receiver puts it to minus because the gain is too high. Maybe my old brain has it wrong but that's the way I remember it.
post #7839 of 15127
One way to find out for sure. Just try it and you'll see which way it goes.
post #7840 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

One way to find out for sure. Just try it and you'll see which way it goes.

Exactly. I'll try adjusting it down first (since that's what makes sense in my head too) and see what happens. Should this ultimately create any type of difference I would be able to hear?
post #7841 of 15127
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Originally Posted by vertigo4 View Post

Exactly. I'll try adjusting it down first (since that's what makes sense in my head too) and see what happens. Should this ultimately create any type of difference I would be able to hear?

You are about to find out. wink.gif
post #7842 of 15127
Anyone know when these guys will have stock again...?
post #7843 of 15127
I just make one sweep at the main listening position till I get it close to zero. After that I run all positions.
post #7844 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

You are about to find out. wink.gif

lol Yeah. I'm just wondering how much of this is purely an "exercise" vs. achieving something truly noticeable. I'll give it a whirl tonight and see what happens. Thanks so much for your input!
post #7845 of 15127
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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

Do you by chance have Kung-Fu Panda? Towards the end Po defeats the villian and says "Skadoosh!", with my DIY original PEQ370 amp that sound effect rocks my house.
How To Train Your Dragon has plenty of great bass moments. There are several sections in the Star Trek 09 film that has some awesome bass, such as when the Enterprise goes to warp.
It's never fun to have a new purchase not pan out as expected but in my experience Rythmik does provide a great product. My only major regret is not getting the HP kit, although I may save up for the F25 in the future.
Good Luck
KvE

Unfortunately I don't own any of those titles, but I'll probably order a few since they're good movies anyway.

One thing I noticed while listening to music last night-- I couldn't determine if it was on or not until I moved the volume to about 75%, then it started to fill out the music, which was a good thing. The only problem with that is after 50% volume I start to hear what sounds like wind noise coming from the driver when no music is playing. I've wiggled the cable, and the sound does change somewhat, but it persists. I'm not sure what the problem is as this is a new cable, but when I get home later tonight I'll try another cable as well. Is this common? I can't live with the sound when my AVR is off, it's that noticeable.

...which brings me to my next question...

Why doesn't the AUTO feature on the amp work? When I switch mine to AUTO, and then turn on my AVR, play music/tv/movie, the LED remains RED. If I didn't have to leave the amp set to ON all the time, I could probably live with the wind noise. frown.gif
post #7846 of 15127
^^ We can send a replacement amp and see if it solves the problem. We do check every sub before we ship them out. So it can be something that we have overlooked.
post #7847 of 15127
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

^^ We can send a replacement amp and see if it solves the problem. We do check every sub before we ship them out. So it can be something that we have overlooked.

Thanks for proving once again that your customer support is excellent!
post #7848 of 15127
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

Unfortunately I don't own any of those titles, but I'll probably order a few since they're good movies anyway.
One thing I noticed while listening to music last night-- I couldn't determine if it was on or not until I moved the volume to about 75%, then it started to fill out the music, which was a good thing. The only problem with that is after 50% volume I start to hear what sounds like wind noise coming from the driver when no music is playing. I've wiggled the cable, and the sound does change somewhat, but it persists. I'm not sure what the problem is as this is a new cable, but when I get home later tonight I'll try another cable as well. Is this common? I can't live with the sound when my AVR is off, it's that noticeable.
...which brings me to my next question...
Why doesn't the AUTO feature on the amp work? When I switch mine to AUTO, and then turn on my AVR, play music/tv/movie, the LED remains RED. If I didn't have to leave the amp set to ON all the time, I could probably live with the wind noise. frown.gif

Sounds to me like a hardware issue. My auto mode works great on both of my subs, even after a Y splitter (and triggers on faster then my older velodyne auto mode) and although the low frequency stuff literally moves air around, I do not hear anything like wind noises. Just tight, deep, accurate bass. If it's a hardware issue Brian's on it and it will be resolved...

But, just in case. What movies have you tried? Anything from the 4 or 5 star master list of bass thread rankings? Such as Transformers (basically any of them but the last one is especially bass stout), War of Worlds, etc... Are you watching them on blueray in TrueHD audio or DTSMA?

Your AVR calibrated the subs to be level with your mains. Set like this the music content just doesn't have the deep notes to jump out at you. Even Hip Hop / Rap bass isn't too deep (I think it is like 40Hz ish, maybe higher). Organ music can get down there, and some electronic stuff. I had a big sound quality improvement for music, but the "I'm blown away" reaction happens with the big production action movie flix. For me the music improvements were things such as more detailed cleaner bass notes clearly moving up and down the musical scales, details like fingers sliding around on the bass guitar as you would hear live, and cleaner tighter kick drums. It's stuff you need to be listening for.

It is not uncommon for folks to run their subs "hot" to be louder than the mains. To do this calibrate with the AVR, then adjust the AVR sub trim volume 3 to 6 db higher (or more for the bass heads). Even with hip hop stuff you pretty much need to run the sub hot and crank it for feel, 40hz doesn't feel the same as 15Hz or 20Hz. Calibrated to level, bass can take a little getting used to, but some folks really like it after some listening. It's just personal preference. The audyssey thread is packed with "where did my bass go" posts. Sometimes it's just a calibrated vs running hot thing, that you can adjust to preference with the sub trim. Other times you can get better results for your MLP by taking all the measurements closer together (like within a foot of MLP). You could be sitting in a "null" that moving the sub or your chair will fix (or more subs, or room treatments).

You may try an SPL meter app on your phone or get an SPL meter to see the output in DB.

If you are on a concrete slab you will not have the same tactile feel.

That being said, I'd be surprised if there is not a hardware or configuration / set-up issue based on your description. Sorry to hear about the issues, it can be resolved.
post #7849 of 15127
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

Sounds to me like a hardware issue. My auto mode works great on both of my subs, even after a Y splitter (and triggers on faster then my older velodyne auto mode) and although the low frequency stuff literally moves air around, I do not hear anything like wind noises. Just tight, deep, accurate bass. If it's a hardware issue Brian's on it and it will be resolved...
But, just in case. What movies have you tried? Anything from the 4 or 5 star master list of bass thread rankings? Such as Transformers (basically any of them but the last one is especially bass stout), War of Worlds, etc... Are you watching them on blueray in TrueHD audio or DTSMA?
Your AVR calibrated the subs to be level with your mains. Set like this the music content just doesn't have the deep notes to jump out at you. Even Hip Hop / Rap bass isn't too deep (I think it is like 40Hz ish, maybe higher). Organ music can get down there, and some electronic stuff. I had a big sound quality improvement for music, but the "I'm blown away" reaction happens with the big production action movie flix. For me the music improvements were things such as more detailed cleaner bass notes clearly moving up and down the musical scales, details like fingers sliding around on the bass guitar as you would hear live, and cleaner tighter kick drums. It's stuff you need to be listening for.
It is not uncommon for folks to run their subs "hot" to be louder than the mains. To do this calibrate with the AVR, then adjust the AVR sub trim volume 3 to 6 db higher (or more for the bass heads). Even with hip hop stuff you pretty much need to run the sub hot and crank it for feel, 40hz doesn't feel the same as 15Hz or 20Hz. Calibrated to level, bass can take a little getting used to, but some folks really like it after some listening. It's just personal preference. The audyssey thread is packed with "where did my bass go" posts. Sometimes it's just a calibrated vs running hot thing, that you can adjust to preference with the sub trim. Other times you can get better results for your MLP by taking all the measurements closer together (like within a foot of MLP). You could be sitting in a "null" that moving the sub or your chair will fix (or more subs, or room treatments).
You may try an SPL meter app on your phone or get an SPL meter to see the output in DB.
If you are on a concrete slab you will not have the same tactile feel.
That being said, I'd be surprised if there is not a hardware or configuration / set-up issue based on your description. Sorry to hear about the issues, it can be resolved.

Dude thanks for the great response!

I am also thinking hardware issue as well-- never know what UPS does with these things! The fact that the AUTO isn't working, and my sub doesn't move air around tells me something is definitely up. The gain on my AVR is set to +5, and I have the volume cranked to like 80% just to hear it. It's hard to determine how accurate music is at this point since with my current situation it's hard to discern the sub from my fronts, and my fronts have always been quite accurate. I haven't done any MLP or angle measurements yet, just a single YPAO pass so far to get levels and distances.

I will indeed try the SPL meter I have on my phone, though I'm sure they aren't very accurate smile.gif I am on a slab, so you're saying I'll never get the punch-to-the-gut feeling with this sub? My room has been treated pretty well, almost no first order reflections, and I have a 4" bass trap in one corner.

I'm going to do some more testing tonight per Brian's suggestions, and go from there! Thanks again.
post #7850 of 15127
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

Dude thanks for the great response!
[snip]
I will indeed try the SPL meter I have on my phone, though I'm sure they aren't very accurate smile.gif [snip] Thanks again.

Happy to help. I get sooo excited when I have a new toy coming and know how frustrating it can be, Hang in there bud. The finish line is well worth it IMO.

Correct, those phone apps are not accurate in terms of absolute number they show, but you can use them to compare numbers. first do a sanity test to see louder shows bigger numbers and quieter shows smaller numbers. Then you can compare the level of the mains to the sub (prolly just use a test tone). The test tones play at 75db so you can ballpark how far off the phones SPL app is. Maybe play some bass heavy music or movies, unhook the mains, and crank it a little. It should go up over 100db with just the sub pretty easy.

Have you tried any movies?

Still sounds hardware related but worth a little time to verify. I really don't want to know what the shippers do to our packages, I worked one of the big box stores warehouses in college and unloading a truck was interesting to say the least. Some played football with the camcorders, go long. Both of my subs outside boxes were banged up, but Rythmik packs them so well my inner protection layers were still good and mine were fortunate to come out unscathed.
post #7851 of 15127
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

Happy to help. I get sooo excited when I have a new toy coming and know how frustrating it can be, Hang in there bud. The finish line is well worth it IMO.
Correct, those phone apps are not accurate in terms of absolute number they show, but you can use them to compare numbers. first do a sanity test to see louder shows bigger numbers and quieter shows smaller numbers. Then you can compare the level of the mains to the sub (prolly just use a test tone). The test tones play at 75db so you can ballpark how far off the phones SPL app is. Maybe play some bass heavy music or movies, unhook the mains, and crank it a little. It should go up over 100db with just the sub pretty easy.
Have you tried any movies?

Yes, just watched a bit of the new Bourne Legacy, but was underwhelmed so far. I just placed an order for Star Trek [Blu-ray], Event Horizon [Blu-ray], How to Train Your Dragon (Two-Disc Blu-ray 3D/DVD Combo), War of the Worlds [Blu-ray], and Finding Nemo (Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition: Blu-ray 3D/Blu-ray/DVD + Digital Copy). Figure that should give me a nice spread of drywall cracking material.
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

Still sounds hardware related but worth a little time to verify. I really don't want to know what the shippers do to our packages, I worked one of the big box stores warehouses in college and unloading a truck was interesting to say the least. Some played football with the camcorders, go long. Both of my subs outside boxes were banged up, but Rythmik packs them so well my inner protection layers were still good and mine were fortunate to come out unscathed.

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Totally believe it. My outer box had a nice cut/dent in it, but inner box looked just fine. Still, no telling what height they dropped it from (and you damn well know they did, probably multiple times). I wouldn't be surprised to see components hanging off the amp PCB. rolleyes.gif
post #7852 of 15127
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

Yes, just watched a bit of the new Bourne Legacy, but was underwhelmed so far. I just placed an order for Star Trek [Blu-ray], Event Horizon [Blu-ray], How to Train Your Dragon (Two-Disc Blu-ray 3D/DVD Combo), War of the Worlds [Blu-ray], and Finding Nemo (Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition: Blu-ray 3D/Blu-ray/DVD + Digital Copy). Figure that should give me a nice spread of drywall cracking material.
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Totally believe it. My outer box had a nice cut/dent in it, but inner box looked just fine. Still, no telling what height they dropped it from (and you damn well know they did, probably multiple times). I wouldn't be surprised to see components hanging off the amp PCB. rolleyes.gif


Prepare to be blown away with these movies.

When Darla taps the aquarium glass in finding Nemo, you will be in awe!
post #7853 of 15127
I had planned on getting a XS30 but do to unforeseen circumstances I wasn't quite able to pull the trigger in time for their current shipment. Since I would have to wait til February I pulled the trigger this morning on the FV15HP. I'm sure I'll be happy with this beast when I get it going. Waiting for a purchase confirmation from Rythmik. Already got one from Paypal. I dunno, maybe they just send one when it ships. I had been told 2-3 days to build and 4-5 days for transit. The miserable wait begins. I'll probably be dreaming subwoofer now. Anyway, happy to be able to join you guys soon. smile.gif
Edited by XStanleyX - 1/9/13 at 1:28pm
post #7854 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I'm sure I'll be happy with this beast when I get it going.

I'm sure you will as well--congrats.
post #7855 of 15127
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

I'm sure you will as well--congrats.

Thanks, I've owned 5 subs in the past but this one will be in another league. Very excited.
post #7856 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I had planned on getting a XS30 but do to unforeseen circumstances I wasn't quite able to pull the trigger in time for their current shipment. Since I would have to wait til February I pulled the trigger this morning on the FV15HP. I'm sure I'll be happy with this beast when I get it going. Waiting for a purchase confirmation from Rythmik. I dunno, maybe they just send one when it ships. I had been told 2-3 days to build and 4-5 days for transit. The miserable wait begins. I'll probably be dreaming subwoofer now. Anyway, happy to be able to join you guys soon. smile.gif
Thing happens for a good reason. The FV15HP has been proven to be a beast while the new comer XS30 seems to be also good but lack of pro review. Congrat!
post #7857 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I had planned on getting a XS30 but do to unforeseen circumstances I wasn't quite able to pull the trigger in time for their current shipment. Since I would have to wait til February I pulled the trigger this morning on the FV15HP. I'm sure I'll be happy with this beast when I get it going. Waiting for a purchase confirmation from Rythmik. Already got one from Paypal. I dunno, maybe they just send one when it ships. I had been told 2-3 days to build and 4-5 days for transit. The miserable wait begins. I'll probably be dreaming subwoofer now. Anyway, happy to be able to join you guys soon. smile.gif


Finally, Stanley actually ordered a sub.biggrin.gif
post #7858 of 15127
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Finally, Stanley actually ordered a sub.biggrin.gif

I'm old and slow but I eventually get there. biggrin.gif I'll feel like the turtle who won the race when the sub arrives.
post #7859 of 15127
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I'm old and slow but I eventually get there. biggrin.gif I'll feel like the turtle who won the race when the sub arrives.


Guess what.
post #7860 of 15127
Congrats Stanley. I was going to let you come over and listen to mine but I thought you already ordered the XS30. The wait defiantly sucks but Brian is the man and gets them out quick. Rythmik sure is making waves lately....smile.gif
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