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post #8611 of 15152
I didnt see it anywhere on the site but is there a discount for ordering duals
post #8612 of 15152
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Originally Posted by manonfire View Post

I didnt see it anywhere on the site but is there a discount for ordering duals

Yes, it shows up once you load your cart with more than one etc.

Cheers
post #8613 of 15152
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

+1

Brian sent me an LV12R to review, and out of the box it actually came across as rather weak to me. This was the replacement for the vaunted FV12? I'm used to running all new subs for at least a dozen hours before doing any critical listening because they do indeed sound better with time, but this seemed a bit extreme. However, now that is has about 20 hours on it? Well, let's just say it's completely different. wink.gif

Thanks for going through the effort with your reviews, Jim. Do you have an ETA on the LV12R review? It is a little beast of a sub, and yours might be one of the first major reviews of the sub. About time, too. Looking forward to your thoughts.
Edited by raaj - 3/9/13 at 12:43pm
post #8614 of 15152
What are the settings all of you use for your FV15HP? For HT and then Music use? I am trying to dial this bad boy in...but I am hitting above or below what I want. Audiology but they made me set it down to 75 to calibrate.
post #8615 of 15152
I'm currently running a Mirage BPS400 sub, the sub is sealed and has dual 12inch woofers and I'm looking to add a second sub. Should I go with a sealed 12 or 15? BTW, the dedicated room is 12ft W x 7ft H X 30ft D.
post #8616 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

I'm currently running a Mirage BPS400 sub, the sub is sealed and has dual 12inch woofers and I'm looking to add a second sub. Should I go with a sealed 12 or 15? BTW, the dedicated room is 12ft W x 7ft H X 30ft D.

Mike, the F15 is only $100 more than the F12, if that helps you decide.
post #8617 of 15152
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Great opportunity, way to capitalize on that. Isn't Jonathan a super enjoyable and knowledgeable fella? I really enjoyed his company the day we spent together at the NE GTG.

Glad you had the opportunity and shared the experience. What movie scenes and tracks did you all go through?
Jonathan is awesome. His contribution here is tremendous and he really does know what he talks about. I really enjoyed talking audio gears with him and was very glad to see him in person.
We did quite a bit in the ~ 2 hours span playing those 5 stars short clips that Jonathan has from Pulse, Open Range, Art of Flight, Underworld Awakenning, the bass I love track and a lot more which I can't remember now. Honestly, from memory, my single FV15hp in my room not only sounds good, and deep but also as loud as Jonathan's single Cap in his room. My room is smaller and might have more room gain than his. Too bad you did not have a chance to directly compare your single FV15HP with a single Cap or Submersive when you were at the NE GTG.



Thank you fellows!


As I mentioned in person to Tony, I do not think the Rythmik FV15HP sub gives up anything to any of the more expensive typically recommended subs (IE captivator or submersive) in sound quality. I really enjoy the Rythmik offerings. But I will hold fast to the fact that the JTR ported Captivator has quite a bit more spl...quite a bit more. Room has BIG part to play in the equation. You are in a smaller room on a wooden floor, my room is larger on a basement slab. The FV15HP is no slouch on the SPL front either, but be thankful your room is easy to drive because it keeps your wallet full! Mark Seaton was at one of my subwoofer g2g's and he publicly stated that he'd been in 7,500 cubic foot rooms that were easier to drive than my 3,500 cubic foot room. As I've shown several times in charts - I basically get no room gain below 20hz with sealed subs, and very little room gain otherwise. I've done some comparisons with native outdoor FR plots with multiple subs from the two g2gs I've hosted and my room's FR response roll off of many subs is very near to FR capture outside. What a bummer eh? mad.gif

Here is a comparison of the Epik Empire with Ricci's FR chart taken outside, and then one in my room
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1394073/rw-12d-299-again/30#post_21655206

Here is a comparison of the SVS with Ricci's FR chart taken outside, and then a PB12+ in my room.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1394073/rw-12d-299-again/30#post_21655303

Any rate -- back on topic!!! - I really think Brian has made a fine sub and I'm glad you are finding it very much to your liking! I truly don't feel it gives up anything on the sound quality front to any subwoofer I've ever heard. It was a joy to listen to in the 2012 Gorilla83 meet!

I do echo cowboys' point, that Brian should consider marketing/producing an 18"+ servo based sub. Brian, if you make one of those - I'd really be interested in checking it out!
post #8618 of 15152
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Originally Posted by BDP24 View Post

Mike, the F15 is only $100 more than the F12, if that helps you decide.


I wonder if the F12 would sound better than the F15 for music? Or do they sound the same and the only difference is more output with the F15? Thanks for the continued feedback
post #8619 of 15152
With the servo there should be virtually no difference in sound. I have a pair of F12's and love them; F15's would not fit my space or there would two of them sitting in my room.
post #8620 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

75db is not loud. You can go up to 85db. If you do a sweep, the potential of frying the driver is much less because the thermal stress is different at each frequency. There are some frequency bands that are thermally challenging. For instance, for sealed sub, it is anything below 20hz. Some customer may get carry away playing a 10hz for a long period of time. That can cause a problem. For vented subs, it is the tuning frequency point having the highest thermal stress. But in a sweep, the signal passes these points briefly. So it is not a problem in practice.

Brian how would this relate to the RealTraps 10-19Hz, 20-29 Hz, etc audio clips? I find them a real pain to use because I'm afraid of pushing the sub too hard and keep hitting mute after a few seconds to give it a break. If I remember correctly each frequency steps up 1Hz ata time and plays for 10 seconds.
post #8621 of 15152
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post

Thanks for going through the effort with your reviews, Jim. Do you have an ETA on the LV12R review? It is a little beast of a sub, and yours might be one of the first major reviews of the sub. About time, too. Looking forward to your thoughts.

Thank you for the kind words. I'm very glad you find the reviews useful.

I do the reviews in the order received, so there are a few ahead of the LV12R, but I may be convinced to "bump" it up one or two if the interest is there. wink.gif Now that it's started to open up I think 'beast' is pretty accurate, but 'little'? I'm afraid to ask what you consider a large sub... tongue.gif
post #8622 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

I wonder if the F12 would sound better than the F15 for music? Or do they sound the same and the only difference is more output with the F15? Thanks for the continued feedback

Mike, I have the FV15 (ported) and it's fantastic with music. The F15 was one of the subs I was looking at till I saw the sub shoot out last year. The F15 will be awesome for music. Brian makes an awsome sub for everyone's needs.

Jeff
post #8623 of 15152
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Thank you for the kind words. I'm very glad you find the reviews useful.

I do the reviews in the order received, so there are a few ahead of the LV12R, but I may be convinced to "bump" it up one or two if the interest is there. wink.gif Now that it's started to open up I think 'beast' is pretty accurate, but 'little'? I'm afraid to ask what you consider a large sub... tongue.gif

Haha.. It is a beast in performance, but I call it "little beast" because of the dimensions I've seen of it's competitors' ported subs. I've had it for almost a month now.. and it is a beast in terms of its output, in my room. But it is not "little" by any stretch of the imagination, if anything, the wife is shocked by the sub's dimensions.

The LV12R has certainly been mentioned quite frequently lately, and as more people start to receive it, I am sure it'll become quite popular. It is quite amazing what it can deliver for its price.
Edited by raaj - 3/9/13 at 12:44pm
post #8624 of 15152
Well...its the weekend so I got a little time to goof. My FV15HP is set to one click below mid for volume. Since I am using it for mostly HT today I have it set to 14hz low filter.

I put in Phantom Mace race scene, 300 battle scenes, Blackhawk down crash scene and then watched Independence day.

HOLY crap. The sub-sonics on Blackhawk down ...you dont hear the blade coming off the copter...you hear a tiny bit but you feel that sucker twirling towards you.

300 was awesome and Independence day was great... With the scene with earth quake ...my wife said...it could really be an earth quake. I am still adjusting settings...it is not quite where I want it for music...and a tad bit off for movies too.
post #8625 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Well...its the weekend so I got a little time to goof. My FV15HP is set to one click below mid for volume. Since I am using it for mostly HT today I have it set to 14hz low filter.

I put in Phantom Mace race scene, 300 battle scenes, Blackhawk down crash scene and then watched Independence day.

HOLY crap. The sub-sonics on Blackhawk down ...you dont hear the blade coming off the copter...you hear a tiny bit but you feel that sucker twirling towards you.

300 was awesome and Independence day was great... With the scene with earth quake ...my wife said...it could really be an earth quake. I am still adjusting settings...it is not quite where I want it for music...and a tad bit off for movies too.
The Irene scene will go as low as 5Hz, which is way below what the Rythmik can play.
post #8626 of 15152
How would two f15hps compare to a fathom 113? Basically I would put the f15 side by side. I have a fathom now and am concerned I may lose upper bass capability as I appear to have a null in my room around 80 hz
Edited by gchuva - 3/10/13 at 6:31am
post #8627 of 15152
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Originally Posted by gchuva View Post

How would two f15hps compare to a fathom 113? Basically I would put the f15 side by side. I have a fathom now and am concerned I may lose upper bass capability as I appear to have a null in my room around 80 hz

A pair of F15HP's compared to a single Fathom F113? The F113 is a really nice sub -- probably overpriced, but very nice nonetheless -- yet I think it's pretty easy to say the F15HP's will be a much better setup in every conceivable way.

I'm not sure what upper bass loss you're referring to though. Using the LFE inputs the F15HP can play as high as 200Hz, which is a lot higher then anyone is likely to ever use a sub, so that shouldn't be a problem. A room null is not something switching to a different sub will make better or worse; it will still be a null, regardless. Moving the sub will help with that type of problem, so would sitting in a different location, but just swapping subs won't change the characteristics of a null.
post #8628 of 15152
Plus, having two subs will allow you to address the null issue in your room, in a way that is impossible with only one. If the 80hz null is the result of a room dimension, having two subs to try in various locations allows one to amellorate the null.
Edited by BDP24 - 3/10/13 at 10:27am
post #8629 of 15152
Anyone have another FV15HP I can have? I can't convince my wife we need another one! I will be giving a full review in the next few weeks though.

Love the sub so far.
post #8630 of 15152
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

I do the reviews in the order received, so there are a few ahead of the LV12R, but I may be convinced to "bump" it up one or two if the interest is there. wink.gif

I also enjoy your reviews and definitely have interest in one of the LV12R - as it is on my short list.

I wouldn't mind at all if it were to get bumped up. It would be out of sight if we all got a review by...oh, let's say...March 14th. (Just a random date, in no way related to any promotions or deals that Rythmik may or may not be offering biggrin.gif)
post #8631 of 15152
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I also enjoy your reviews and definitely have interest in one of the LV12R - as it is on my short list.

I wouldn't mind at all if it were to get bumped up. It would be out of sight if we all got a review by...oh, let's say...March 14th. (Just a random date, in no way related to any promotions or deals that Rythmik may or may not be offering biggrin.gif)

x2! biggrin.gif
post #8632 of 15152
Brian,

Any update on the L12?
post #8633 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Sumpwitch View Post

I also enjoy your reviews and definitely have interest in one of the LV12R - as it is on my short list.

I wouldn't mind at all if it were to get bumped up. It would be out of sight if we all got a review by...oh, let's say...March 14th. (Just a random date, in no way related to any promotions or deals that Rythmik may or may not be offering biggrin.gif)
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x2! biggrin.gif

Oh sure, I think 3 days is definitely (im)possible. tongue.gif

What size are your rooms? I did it have running for about 20 hours -- including a couple of movie tests -- so I have a pretty decent feel for what it can/can't do. Perhaps I can provide some assistance that might help you decide, one way or another, prior to the 15th.
post #8634 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Sumpwitch View Post

I also enjoy your reviews and definitely have interest in one of the LV12R - as it is on my short list.

I wouldn't mind at all if it were to get bumped up. It would be out of sight if we all got a review by...oh, let's say...March 14th. (Just a random date, in no way related to any promotions or deals that Rythmik may or may not be offering biggrin.gif)

We will extend the discount period for another week.
post #8635 of 15152
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Originally Posted by mlundy57 View Post

Brian,

Any update on the L12?

Getting to the sampling phase.
post #8636 of 15152
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Perhaps I can provide some assistance that might help you decide, one way or another, prior to the 15th.
The 15th? Who said anything about the 15th? Is (or I should now say was) something happening on that day? biggrin.gif

Please understand I was trying to be sarcastic when I put that date and not trying to pressure you. Sometimes an emoticon isn't enough to convey the tone I had in my brain when I typed it.

The LV12R shouldn't have any problems given my modest room/speakers - my room is 9x20x8. I have Infinity 163s all around with a PC351 center. I am most interested in how the sub performs with music than anything else. I would think the servo technology would give it an advantage over similarly priced subs?

I'm not sure if you were able to test it with any music, but I will ask a hypothetical question: If you were to take a totally random song like say...Hit the Ground Running or Bird on a Wire...you know, totally random - and compare it to another sub that you might have reviewed recently...which do you think would sound more accurate? Hypothetically speaking of course wink.gif.
post #8637 of 15152
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Oh sure, I think 3 days is definitely (im)possible. tongue.gif

What size are your rooms? I did it have running for about 20 hours -- including a couple of movie tests -- so I have a pretty decent feel for what it can/can't do. Perhaps I can provide some assistance that might help you decide, one way or another, prior to the 15th.

Hahaha...I know, I was joining in on the sarcasm. The LV12R is also on my short list. I'm looking for a sub for my basement that I will be finishing this year, hopefully. It is 15x25x8 and is open to the stairway leading up to the main floor. 80% movies/20% music. I'm planning to get the sub(s) prior to the basement being finished, as I know funds will be getting tight as the construction is nearing conclusion and don't want to find myself trying to justify anything less than (at least) a $500 sub. I'd say that I'd rather have extension vs output due to my listening habits, but have never really heard a sub that hits with authority at 20hz (I'm coming from a BIC PL-200). I have been tossing around the idea of getting one (or eventually two) LV12R or getting one 15 inch sub in the $1,000 range.

I've also been checking out the similar offerings from HSU, Outlaw and PSA....but that's for another thread.

Jim - I also appreciate your reviews and have found them helpful, so thank you for your efforts.
post #8638 of 15152
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Originally Posted by Sumpwitch View Post

The 15th? Who said anything about the 15th? Is (or I should now say was) something happening on that day? biggrin.gif

Please understand I was trying to be sarcastic when I put that date and not trying to pressure you. Sometimes an emoticon isn't enough to convey the tone I had in my brain when I typed it.

No worries - I didn't take any offense. I thought it amusing, so your intentions were clear.

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Originally Posted by Sumpwitch View Post

The LV12R shouldn't have any problems given my modest room/speakers - my room is 9x20x8. I have Infinity 163s all around with a PC351 center. I am most interested in how the sub performs with music than anything else. I would think the servo technology would give it an advantage over similarly priced subs?

The LV12R will do fine in your room, seeing as how it's less than 1500 ft^3. With regards to music... I didn't actually listen to any -- other than while it was breaking in -- but that was just one of those all music channels on cable TV, so it wasn't anything of a critical nature. However, the LV12R did strike me as quite poised and articulate, which does bode well for it's musicality.

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Originally Posted by Sumpwitch View Post

I'm not sure if you were able to test it with any music, but I will ask a hypothetical question: If you were to take a totally random song like say...Hit the Ground Running or Bird on a Wire...you know, totally random - and compare it to another sub that you might have reviewed recently...which do you think would sound more accurate? Hypothetically speaking of course wink.gif.

Jonny Lang and Joe Bonamassa eh? Looks like someone has been reading my reviews. tongue.gif

Does the recently reviewed sub you're alluding to contain the letters 'PB' by chance? Just throwing out a guess here... smile.gif
post #8639 of 15152
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Originally Posted by jjl4004 View Post

Hahaha...I know, I was joining in on the sarcasm. The LV12R is also on my short list. I'm looking for a sub for my basement that I will be finishing this year, hopefully. It is 15x25x8 and is open to the stairway leading up to the main floor. 80% movies/20% music. I'm planning to get the sub(s) prior to the basement being finished, as I know funds will be getting tight as the construction is nearing conclusion and don't want to find myself trying to justify anything less than (at least) a $500 sub. I'd say that I'd rather have extension vs output due to my listening habits, but have never really heard a sub that hits with authority at 20hz (I'm coming from a BIC PL-200). I have been tossing around the idea of getting one (or eventually two) LV12R or getting one 15 inch sub in the $1,000 range.

Your situation might present a bit of a challenge; 3000 ft^3 is a pretty good sized room for a single 12" sub, so you may ultimately need duals to fill that much space. Since extension is more critical to you then output setting the Bass EQ switch to Low would give the most deep bass, but it might struggle to fill the room that way. A pair of them would have no trouble though.

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Originally Posted by jjl4004 View Post

Jim - I also appreciate your reviews and have found them helpful, so thank you for your efforts.

I appreciate that. I'm glad you find them of value.
post #8640 of 15152
I was all set to buy my first non htib sub yesterday but decided to hold off and research a little more. The LV12R was on my list. It was nice to see the Rythmik rep extend the sale date so hopefully Jim can finish his review.Do you think that was a coincidence? Hey Jim, I vote for moving it up.wink.gif

Anyway, I can wait for the review but I have two concerns that I would like to have info on.

1) the LV12R is buried on the website and has no pictures. I tried to look it up at work today on my phone but couldn't because you can only reach the page with a mouse over on the top subwoofer link. I did see the photos in this thread but I was wondering why it's sort of hiding on the website
2) the ordering page says there is a restocking fee if the subwoofer is used and not defective. Am i missing something here? I assumed all of the ID sub companies had free trials.

Thanks for clearing up these questions I have
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