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post #8731 of 15247
PM sent Brian. The post office won't be of any help. DHL does mostly International packaging (some domestic as well but has weight restrictions like UPS and FedEx). FedEx Freight is a good option.

Jeff
post #8732 of 15247
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Originally Posted by Torcha View Post

Well, I knew I should have pulled the trigger on the new LV12R the other week. No longer $549 frown.gif .. still free shipping at least.

I changed the shopping cart price to $549. I didn't change the "list price" there. If you still have problem, please try reflesh the page.
post #8733 of 15247
Check out yellow for LTL shipments. I used to work in logistics and they typically had the best rates (although FedEx freight can always go lower because of the size of their operation - you just have to work with a sales rep and ask them to beat yellow's best price).
post #8734 of 15247
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

In addition to the room dimensions, it also depends upon your listening position. Doing the crawl and/or measuring would likely provide better bass than random or aesthetic positoining. That said, mine are next to my L/R speakers in a very challenging room and sound pretty good, and measure decently flat.

Also, how far from the L/R speakers the subs can be without revealing their location depends on the chosen cross-over frequency and slope, right Don?

Yes. I assumed a crossover low enough with ihgh enough slope to be below the localization frequency for the listener, but you know what they say about "assume"...
post #8735 of 15247
Can someone please link to a SPL measurements for the LV12R? I haven't been able to find any.

-- jaydillyo
post #8736 of 15247
Errrr, I ordered mine last Friday and haven't heard anything back from anyone, with any information except Paypal. I even sent an email this morning asking for an update and received nothing yet?
post #8737 of 15247
Trigger pulled. I ordered one today after asking a rythmik audio tech support a few questions. Can't wait to get it. I have been subless since my mfw-15 died.

-- jaydillyo
post #8738 of 15247
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

Check out yellow for LTL shipments. I used to work in logistics and they typically had the best rates (although FedEx freight can always go lower because of the size of their operation - you just have to work with a sales rep and ask them to beat yellow's best price).

+1. I always ship Vintage Drums via FedEx, and have never had a single drum damaged. Cheaper the UPS, too.
post #8739 of 15247
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Originally Posted by jaydillyo View Post

Trigger pulled. I ordered one today after asking a rythmik audio tech support a few questions. Can't wait to get it. I have been subless since my mfw-15 died.

-- jaydillyo

Awesome man, post some pics when you get it!
I am also an ex MFW-15 owner and those have sold several months ago. I am waiting for the new L12 coming up soon. Hopefully it won't be too long
post #8740 of 15247
Does this mean that we can begin to froth at the mouth about the new F25HP and the DIY F25HP (CI HP dual 15" driver) kits?
post #8741 of 15247
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Errrr, I ordered mine last Friday and haven't heard anything back from anyone, with any information except Paypal. I even sent an email this morning asking for an update and received nothing yet?

We have a bit backlog on the black oak finish. But we should get caught up tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.
post #8742 of 15247
Cool. I see the dual driver based F25 has a price posted.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/21/13 at 2:56pm
post #8743 of 15247
Who wins output wise?

2 LVR12's or 1 FV15HP?
post #8744 of 15247
I am pretty sure one FV15HP is going to have a lot more output than two FV12rs.
post #8745 of 15247
Not arguing but based on what metric?

That is, for two LV12R subs, with a three to six dB co-location room gain due to using two, 300w RMS amplifiers in separate corner based locations vs a single, corner located FV15HP, capable of 600w RMS. confused.gif

If I had to lay a bet, it would be on two LV12R's winning an overall SPL contest; flat room FR graph and at least equal dB output and expectedly, the two LV12R's will have the flatter FR graph for a given room acoustical condition.

So, in my ignorant opinion, if a contest were to ensue, two LV12R's vs one FV15HP, I'd have to go with two LV12R's being the more capable choice.

... tongue.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/21/13 at 10:57am
post #8746 of 15247
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post #8747 of 15247
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

Who wins output wise?

2 LVR12's or 1 FV15HP?

We don't really recommend 2 LV12R unless you have a very difficult room. You need to have two LV12R co-colated to equal a single FV15HP. The enclosure size of combined sub will be larger than on FV15HP, power is about the same, and cone surface of 2 12" driver is slightly larger, but the excursion is slightly less. So in short, you don't really gain much except you lose the flexibility of multi-tuned, PEQ, all the other fancy bells and whistles. If you place two LV12R at different locations to even out the room response, the penalty is even higher. So in short, I will recommend FV15HP over two LV12R even though the former is more expensive.
post #8748 of 15247
Does that mean I lost my bet or in "Black Jack" terms, it was a push? tongue.gif The reason I ask, based on my understanding of how things work, due to the room smoothing two subwoofers provide over the benefit of one subwoofer, the overall edge goes to a pair of LV12R's over that of a single FV15HP for efficiency of bass sound reproduction..

...confused.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/21/13 at 11:02am
post #8749 of 15247
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

We don't really recommend 2 LV12R unless you have a very difficult room. You need to have two LV12R co-colated to equal a single FV15HP. The enclosure size of combined sub will be larger than on FV15HP, power is about the same, and cone surface of 2 12" driver is slightly larger, but the excursion is slightly less. So in short, you don't really gain much except you lose the flexibility of multi-tuned, PEQ, all the other fancy bells and whistles. If you place two LV12R at different locations to even out the room response, the penalty is even higher. So in short, I will recommend FV15HP over two LV12R even though the former is more expensive.

The reason I ask is because I already have one LV12R and was thinking of possibly adding a second to satisfy my craving for bass.
post #8750 of 15247
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

The reason I ask is because I already have one LV12R and was thinking of possibly adding a second to satisfy my craving for bass.

If it helps, there's no question, in our case, a third sub will help our room acoustics and the integration of our subwoofer system into our room's acoustics.. In your case, the addition of a second sub will help with your overall response but without room measuring capability, you'll be limited regarding your ability to integrate a second subwoofer into your system due to reinforcement/cancellation issues.
post #8751 of 15247
So there will be no advantage to adding a second LV12R? No increase in SPL?
post #8752 of 15247
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

So there will be no advantage to adding a second LV12R? No increase in SPL?

Any time you add a second sub that's the same as the one you have you will gain extra db. If you were to say stack one on top of the other you gain around 6db or if you had one located say one in each corner of your front area you gain around 4db.
post #8753 of 15247
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Any time you add a second sub that's the same as the one you have you will gain extra db. If you were to say stack one on top of the other you gain around 6db or if you had one located say one in each corner of your front area you gain around 4db.

Thank you sir for the intel. I figured there had to be some sort of advantage.
post #8754 of 15247
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

So there will be no advantage to adding a second LV12R? No increase in SPL?

You will definitely get an increase in SPL at certain frequencies. The amount will depend on placement and your room. If two subs are co-located (stacked or placed next to each other), you should expect about a 6db increase across all frequencies. From what I have read, two subs will essentially act as a single source when located within 1/4 wavelength of each other. For frequencies above that, you may get more or less than 6db.
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Any time you add a second sub that's the same as the one you have you will gain extra db. If you were to say stack one on top of the other you gain around 6db or if you had one located say one in each corner of your front area you gain around 4db.

I have seen many posts saying you get average of a 3db or 4db increase when adding a second non-colocated sub to a room, but have never seen any evidence of this. The measurements I have seen show that you do not get a steady increase across all frequencies and I don't think talking about an "average" increase is beneficial.

Look at this example. There is about a 6db gain for everything below 40hz. At 50hz, there is a 10db gain, at 60hz there is a couble db decrease and above that even more variance.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=content&id=80


Brian already covered the differences between 2 LV12Rs and 1 FV15HP. If a smooth FR, especially across multiple seats, is important, dual LV12Rs are potentially better. If you want more output, especially below 20hz or want the built in PEQ, the FV15HP is better.

-Mike
post #8755 of 15247
My placement options are endless. No WAF as this is basically a large bedroom I have converted to my personal home theater. The main listening position is about 12 feet from the sub currently. As you can see from the pic I can put a sub on each side of my towers or stack them.

post #8756 of 15247
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Cool. I see the dual driver based F25 has a price posted.

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OMG that is an incredible price. Very Well done Brian, hope you have stock ready to go. These are going to fly I think.
post #8757 of 15247
"Available in honey oak vinyl or black oak vinyl"

picture of honey oak vinyl por favor????
post #8758 of 15247
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

picture of honey oak vinyl por favor????

My guess is it would look similar to the finish on the F12G, only a lot more of it. tongue.gif

That's seems to be an awful lot of subwoofer for the money.
post #8759 of 15247
Hum, cool. Cheaper than fv15se. Maybe I should replace my dual fv15se for these two. My wife is going to kill me for this. Hope this idea will pass WAF.
post #8760 of 15247
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

picture of honey oak vinyl por favor????

My guess is it would look similar to the finish on the F12G, only a lot more of it. tongue.gif

That's seems to be an awful lot of subwoofer for the money.

Thanks Jim, That's called Honey Oak so I think you are exactly correct.I like it very much.

Yeah F25 looks like an incredible value. I had some price predictions in my head but this is definitely much better. It is an intro price and looks like it'll go up at some point. I think he did 5 weeks for the LV12R, The 5th being the super awesome guy add on from the original 4 planned for some on the fence folks.

New awesome sub hits the market, schweet. Now who's going to put one of these in the same room as an XS-30 and run some measurements for us? I agree that looks like a lot of sub for that number. Brian Rox. I think this is going to jump right into the market share quick.

Go start an announcement thread for us. Better you then me. I'm a little Rythmik Love tainted, The dual FV15HPs are persuasive.
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