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post #9031 of 15139
^^^

Brian: no problem: your candor is appreciated

I would not want to be the UPS driver who does pickups at Rythmik smile.gif
post #9032 of 15139
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post


Now if you could only bumb up that amp warrenty a couple years biggrin.gif (I had to complain about something)wink.gif

That is a good point to bring up. I need to explain that.

In LV12R, the power amplifier module is from Hypex. They don't have a warranty for us (as a customer). So if their module goes out, we need to replace another module out of our own pocket. But all of us face the same challenge -- with today's "globalization", the supply chain is becoming more and more difficult. A lot of times, the flawed component is from the up-up stream component maker that only cost $0.10 (such as a resistor, or other things). So the supplier will say, well you find one defective component, I will give this batch of resistors free. But that is not even enough to cover 0.1% of the final product cost. The most serious problem these days is the remarking of semiconductors (that is, lower grade non-brand name semiconductor transistors/ICs are remarked to higher grade brand name to sell at higher prices). Small guys like us need to watch constantly about quality control of components. There was an SSD manufacturer sent an SSD to review and it turns out the chips in that unit are all fake/re-marked. Fortunately my supplier and I understand each other and we use the same supplier in the past 10 years and we do pay a bit higher component price. But that is definitely worth it. But we cannot look my supplier's book to assess the risk they take from their supplier. We trust the buy components directly from Toshiba or other manufacturers (not just they say they do).

My point is there is a lot of behind the scene work that we take care. Trust me, any warranty work cost us money. As you know from this forum, some companies get into trouble because warranty burden (plus they price their product to low in order to get business). When a company price the product so low, you can almost be sure the price is based on low warranty overhead. If the company ties their warranty to their supplier, the supplier can simply walk away and it will leave the company holding the bag.

Several pages back, a question was asked about RTROSE's warranty work. The voice coils of all HP drivers and other 15" drivers are from Precision Econowind in Florida. Everytime we have failure; we collect statistics and work with suppliers. But even with that, we still expose to suppliers own problem if there is one. As we learn more, we put in more QA checks. We do our best.

Sorry I really cannot stop writing on this subject. I hate my florescent light bulb goes out far earlier than what the manufacturer states (I wonder why there is no law suit for that), I started looking at LED light. On ebay, there is an individual selling Philips LED lights at 70% of retail prices. I bought a few of them and they are genuine. But deep down I wonder where the source is from. Some 20 years ago, I bought a hard drive from a company and they told me they don't have inventory at that time because they just got robbed a couple of days ago. It is sad story. Those HD go into other sourced sold at cheaper price and whoever bought them are happy. But one day, they can start selling fake ones together with genuine ones for higher profit. For me this is becoming a serious problem. I know my head is still clear and I won't take the same kind of risk of LED light on my work -- amplifier and subs. But I certainly hope all of my suppliers keep the same standard even in today's competitive society.

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Edited by Rythmik - 4/7/13 at 12:57am
post #9033 of 15139
Great post Brian.

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post #9034 of 15139
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^

Brian: no problem: your candor is appreciated

I would not want to be the UPS driver who does pickups at Rythmik smile.gif
Or worse yet, the poor unsuspecting driver that delivers to your house. When I finally get a tracking number and delivery day notice, I will call my driver and ask him to call me 1/2 hour before he gets to my house. That way I can meet him here and help get the beast off the truck. Better safe than sorry!
post #9035 of 15139
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

Newc33, I really appreciate your feedback. dstew100 asked the question if customers are not happy with the sound other than user error. I was waiting for others to chime in. But in fairness, I have a couple of customers every year that says our subs are not even as powerful as the 10" subs they had. At first, I wan to give it a benefit of doubt so i took the subs back and in every case, the sub is ok. What happened was customers were expecting our subs will continue the direction of some other subs and continue to "bassfy" everything (not sure if there is a term even for that) . Now i learnt my lesson, when customer told me that our sub is not even as loud as a 10" sub, I shut my mouth and happily bring back the sub, The sub is actually integrated very well with the fronts that we don't notice is the sub is on until we turn off the sub. Then we realize how important the sub is. I cannot live without one.

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I think Brian just came up with the new Rythmik slogan. Rythmik Subwoofers; You cannot live without one.
post #9036 of 15139
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Originally Posted by Rythmik View Post

That is a good point to bring up. I need to explain that.

In LV12R, the power amplifier module is from Hypex. They don't have a warranty for us (as a customer). So if their module goes out, we need to replace another module out of our own pocket. But all of us face the same challenge -- with today's "globalization", the supply chain is becoming more and more difficult. A lot of times, the flawed component is from the up-up stream component maker that only cost $0.10 (such as a resistor, or other things). So the supplier will say, well you find one defective component, I will give this batch of resistors free. But that is not even enough to cover 0.1% of the final product cost. The most serious problem these days is the remarking of semiconductors. Small guys like us need to watch constantly about quality control of components. There was an SSD manufacturer sent an SSD to review and it turns out the chips in that unit are all fake/re-marked. Fortunately my supplier and I understand each other and we use the same supplier in the past 10 years and we do pay a bit higher component price. But that is definitely worth it. But we cannot look my supplier's book to assess the risk they take from their supplier. We trust the buy components directly from Toshiba or other manufacturers (not just they say they do).

My point is there is a lot of behind the scene work that we take care. Trust me, any warranty work cost us money. As you know from this forum, some companies get into trouble because warranty burden (plus they price their product to low in order to get business). When a company price the product so low, you can almost be sure the price is based on low warranty overhead. If the company ties their warranty to their supplier, the supplier can simply walk away and it will leave the company holding the bag.

Several pages back, a question was asked about RTROSE's warranty work. The voice coils of all HP drivers and other 15" drivers are from Precision Econowind in Florida. Everytime we have failure; we collect statistics and work with suppliers. But even with that, we still expose to suppliers own problem if there is one. As we learn more, we put in more QA checks. We do our best.

Sorry I really cannot stop writing on this subject. I hate my florescent light bulb goes out far earlier than what the manufacturer states (I wonder why there is no law suit for that), I started looking at LED light. On ebay, there is an individual selling Philips LED lights at 70% of retail prices. I bought a few of them and they are genuine. But deep down I wonder where the source is from. Some 20 years ago, I bought a hard drive from a company and they told me they don't have inventory at that time because they just got robbed a couple of days ago. It is sad story. Those HD go into other sourced sold at cheaper price and whoever bought them are happy. But one day, they can start selling fake ones together with genuine ones for higher profit. For me this is becoming a serious problem. I know my head is still clear and I won't take the same kind of risk of LED light on my work -- amplifier and subs. But I certainly hope all of my suppliers keep the same standard even in today's competitive society.

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Well when you put it that way Indo understand.

I also believe that your products are quailty products regaurdless of the warrenty.

I just wanted to mention that when I was making my descision on a sub the 2yr warrenty was a bit of a red flag(obviously u explained your reasoning and I now understand and really am no longer concerns)

Regaurdless I am very happy with the sub purchase I made and I have no regrets.
post #9037 of 15139
Also maybe since a lot of ppl are spending around 1000 dollars on theese subs it would be worth it to offer and extended 3 year wattenty to match others 5, for an additional fee?
post #9038 of 15139
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Originally Posted by realjetavenger View Post

I think Brian just came up with the new Rythmik slogan. Rythmik Subwoofers; You cannot live without one.

I also like donh50's "less boom, more bass RYTHMIK"

I think it describes there subs perfectly,short and sweet
post #9039 of 15139
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post

Also maybe since a lot of ppl are spending around 1000 dollars on theese subs it would be worth it to offer and extended 3 year wattenty to match others 5, for an additional fee?

The driver is already 5 years. Try pull out the amp and have a look. That thing was built with top of the line components. It will last a very long time.
JL Gotham, a $12,000 sub, gets you only 3 years.
post #9040 of 15139
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Originally Posted by nith View Post

The driver is already 5 years. Try pull out the amp and have a look. That thing was built with top of the line components. It will last a very long time.
JL Gotham, a $12,000 sub, gets you only 3 years.
as far as I can tell

Your are correct. I also looked up the company and they seem to very high end in all aspects of quality as far as I can tell
post #9041 of 15139
Woohoo! I just got home to find a UPS tracking number in my inbox. Scheduled delivery is for April 10th.

An-ti-ci-pa-tion.........as the excitement builds. smile.gif
post #9042 of 15139
ordered my F12 Sat. been sittiing in TX for a couple of days, sould be here tomarrow it says.
post #9043 of 15139
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Originally Posted by mlundy57 View Post

My experience as well. I replaced an old 10" 100W Sony sub with an F12. You always knew that the Sony was on and where it was. If you turned it down low enough so that you could no longer tell where it was you didn't have any bass. Also, the Sony would continue on after the explosion to the point you couldn't understand the dialogue that came after the boom. When I first set up the F12 the loudness was gone and it integrated so well I went over to the sub and removed the grill to make sure it was firing. It was so I sat back and listened. Now bass is full and articulate and when the boom comes it is not only louder than the Sony but can be felt through the couch then it is gone and you can actually hear what is said next. I get the full impact of the movie and the wife is no longer yelling at me to turn it down. With music the only other sub I consider as being in the same league as the F12 is the 10" 300W sealed Von Schweikert VR-S/1 (20 - 100 Hz +/- 3dB) I have in my music system. But then that sub cost $1,600 ten years ago and is no longer being made.


can't wait till i get mine, reading this just makes me wear a hole in the floor.
post #9044 of 15139
Hi Brian, this thread is becoming very long (over 300 pages) and a bit confusing because the subjects are not being discussed separately.

Chris
post #9045 of 15139
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Originally Posted by dazzdax View Post

Hi Brian, this thread is becoming very long (over 300 pages) and a bit confusing because the subjects are not being discussed separately.

Chris

All of the subjects involve Rythmik subwoofers and the title is........ biggrin.gif
post #9046 of 15139
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

All of the subjects involve Rythmik subwoofers and the title is........ biggrin.gif

I agree. If something else needs to be discussed then by all means create another thread. Maybe a specific thread for different rythmik products, but this is a topic of general rythmik discussion and I think it is par with the subject. IMO.
post #9047 of 15139
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Originally Posted by dazzdax View Post

Hi Brian, this thread is becoming very long (over 300 pages) and a bit confusing because the subjects are not being discussed separately.

Chris
If we had a sub-forum for every topic involving Rythmik, do you know how confusing that would be?

This thread is kinda like a one stop shopping mall for all things Rythmik.
post #9048 of 15139
A Rythmik Forum with different threads would be wicked !!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

If we had a sub-forum for every topic involving Rythmik, do you know how confusing that would be?

This thread is kinda like a one stop shopping mall for all things Rythmik.
post #9049 of 15139
^^^

in the long run, I think it best to keep everything in this one thread
post #9050 of 15139
Would it be ok to put my floor standing speakers (infinity P362s) on top of a LV12R? The screen I got takes up almost the whole wall and I have enough room on each side for basically my fronts but in thinking about it, I could corner load my Subs (I have 2 LV12Rs) if I could put my fronts on top of the subs. I am not very good with the details of audio and how everything works so not sure if this is a completely dumb idea or if this is something that is totally fine and wouldn't compromise anything with quality and whatnot. Anyhow thanks guys, tonight I will be able to get everything set up and am going to start playing some music to break in the subs before I finish up the home theater (waiting on the screen!!). Thanks again!
post #9051 of 15139
^^^ I would avoid doing this mainly because it would place your main speakers too high above ear level. Generally speaking, most speakers sound best when the tweeter is placed within a couple inches of ear level. If you could tilt the speakers down so the tweeter points at your ear level, that might work okay. Still not as ideal as tweeters at ear level though.
post #9052 of 15139
Now i have full sound. WOW so happy.






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post #9053 of 15139
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Originally Posted by bunkywooo View Post

Now i have full sound. WOW so happy.






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Can u elaborate? I'd like to see how my thoughts of the lv12r compare to yours
post #9054 of 15139
Nevermind I thought u were getting an lv12r but see your getting an f12 sorry its Friday at beer 30:D
post #9055 of 15139
So I've just acquired a F15HP, coming from an Emotiva Ultra Sub10, it is quite the substantial upgrade. The extension and output is simply amazing. I never truly understood why people used that Bassotronic song as a subwoofer test until now, as my previous sub couldn't hit low enough for any appreciable bass to be audible. With that said, I do have a question regarding the control, what does the dampening switch do?
post #9056 of 15139
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Originally Posted by Cyphir3369 View Post

So I've just acquired a F15HP, coming from an Emotiva Ultra Sub10, it is quite the substantial upgrade. The extension and output is simply amazing. I never truly understood why people used that Bassotronic song as a subwoofer test until now, as my previous sub couldn't hit low enough for any appreciable bass to be audible. With that said, I do have a question regarding the control, what does the dampening switch do?
These graphs from the Rythmik website might help you understand what it does combined with the various frequency settings.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/eq.html

Glad you're liking your F15HP, I have an F12 myself and love it. I might even get a second one.
post #9057 of 15139
going to make speaker stands next. wood still damp, maybe next weekend.
need to bring them down to head level
post #9058 of 15139
Is there a max length of rca cable from amp to sub before switching to another connection?
post #9059 of 15139
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Originally Posted by bunkywooo View Post

Is there a max length of rca cable from amp to sub before switching to another connection?

What's your length? My subs are on 50 ft runs without issue (IMHO).

I'm sure you could go much longer without signal loss with decent cables.
post #9060 of 15139
I got 6' cables. looking to upgrade my cables.
Just wonting to know my options. 50' is more then i need.
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