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post #9091 of 15132
will there be a 12" version of D15SE? or a non-SE of D15? I find the glossy finish is distracting and will hide the sub anyway, so why pay for that expensive finish for something I don't need.
post #9092 of 15132
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Originally Posted by richardyc View Post

will there be a 12" version of D15SE? or a non-SE of D15? I find the glossy finish is distracting and will hide the sub anyway, so why pay for that expensive finish for something I don't need.

If one wants a down-firing Rythmik in non high-gloss finish, and the sub is positioned out of sight anyway, just put some 3"-4" legs on the front of a matte finish forward firing sub and place it driver down!
post #9093 of 15132
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Unlike the crossover settings, which apply to your speaker channels + subwoofer and which determine which frequencies go to your speakers and which go to your sub, the LPF of LFE is a setting that applies only to the LFE (or .1) channel (which can contain dedicated content up to 120Hz).

If you had a variable LPF of LFE in your AVR, you'd probably want to set it to 120Hz, which seems to be the most-often recommended setting. For AVRs that don't have that option (like yours, and mine), it's likely set to 120Hz anyway.

I just always thought you wanted your sub to concentrate soley on the low end (80hz and below) and leave the high frequencies to be taken care of by your other speakers.
post #9094 of 15132
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I just always thought you wanted your sub to concentrate soley on the low end (80hz and below) and leave the high frequencies to be taken care of by your other speakers.
And that's why you set your crossovers to 80Hz.
post #9095 of 15132
So I guess I am confused. Set the crossover to 120 or 80?

Sorry smile.gif
post #9096 of 15132
In your previous post you said there is LFE content up to 120.
post #9097 of 15132
The crossover setting (if your AVR has one setting for all speaker channels) or settings (if it has per speaker pair or per channel settings) determine which frequencies go to the speakers and which frequencies go to the sub. Set that one / set them to 80Hz (or higher, depending on the extension capabilities of your speakers).

LPF of LFE is a setting that applies only to the LFE (or .1) channel. It has nothing to do with the crossovers. Although the LFE channel is supposedly a full-range channel (IIRC), it does not contain content above 120Hz. If your AVR has an option to adjust the LPF of LFE, set it to 120Hz. If it does not have that option, it's probably set by default to 120Hz.

The content below the crossover settings in the speaker channels + the content in the LFE channel are output through your AVR's Subwoofer output.
post #9098 of 15132
I am picking up what you are putting down now. The receiver does have a separate LFE for the sub and Audyssey sets it to 120, so I will leave it at that and adjust the crossover of the other speakers to 80hz.

Thanks for the clarification.
post #9099 of 15132
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

I am picking up what you are putting down now. The receiver does have a separate LFE for the sub and Audyssey sets it to 120, so I will leave it at that and adjust the crossover of the other speakers to 80hz.

Thanks for the clarification.
For those in the know, wouldn't that cause overlap making frequencies covered by both the sub and speakers simultaneously more dominant? Just curious
post #9100 of 15132
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I am picking up what you are putting down now. ... Thanks for the clarification.
Cool. cool.gif And, glad to help. smile.gif
post #9101 of 15132
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... wouldn't that cause overlap making frequencies covered by both the sub and speakers simultaneously more dominate?
The content in the LFE channel is not in the other channels, and the content in the other channels is not in the LFE channel, so there shouldn't be any unintentional overlap.
post #9102 of 15132
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

The content in the LFE channel is not in the other channels, and the content in the other channels is not in the LFE channel, so there shouldn't be any unintentional overlap.

+1. The mixers of the film may have put similar or identical bass content in the LFE channel and the right and left channels, but you need to reproduce them all to get those particular sounds/frequencies to the level at which they wer mixed. (Also, odd as it may seem, my impression from the movies with BASS thread is that what I'd likely call infrasonics are more likely to exist in the left and right channels than in the LFE channel.
post #9103 of 15132
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

I am picking up what you are putting down now. The receiver does have a separate LFE for the sub and Audyssey sets it to 120, so I will leave it at that and adjust the crossover of the other speakers to 80hz.

Thanks for the clarification.
I would leave the crossover for other speakers as is set by Audessey or raise them a bit higher as recommended by Audessey. I would not set them at 80 if Audessey sets them higher. Most folks use 80 as standard but if your speakers/surrounds can't go that low in your room then leave them at what Audessey measures your speakers capabilities in your room.
post #9104 of 15132
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

I am picking up what you are putting down now. The receiver does have a separate LFE for the sub and Audyssey sets it to 120, so I will leave it at that and adjust the crossover of the other speakers to 80hz.

Thanks for the clarification.

Audyssey also sets my front towers to large and rear in wall surrounds to small. Should I leave the towers at large or change them to small? Am I looking too far into this and I should just stick with the settings the calibration suggests smile.gif
post #9105 of 15132
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

I would leave the crossover for other speakers as is set by Audessey or raise them a bit higher as recommended by Audessey. I would not set them at 80 if Audessey sets them higher. Most folks use 80 as standard but if your speakers/surrounds can't go that low in your room then leave them at what Audessey measures your speakers capabilities in your room.

You beat me to it! Okay I am just going to stick with what Audyssey is setting everything to and just listen for a while and tweak if necessary.
post #9106 of 15132
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Originally Posted by richardyc View Post

will there be a 12" version of D15SE? or a non-SE of D15? I find the glossy finish is distracting and will hide the sub anyway, so why pay for that expensive finish for something I don't need.

We don't have a plan to offer D12. I talk to suppliers for a possibility of veneer downfiring enclosures. They advise against it because it is difficult to apply veneer to feet. That is why you only see piano black D15SE.
post #9107 of 15132
Brian, please give us an update on the F25 situation.
post #9108 of 15132
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Originally Posted by JT78681 View Post

Audyssey also sets my front towers to large and rear in wall surrounds to small. Should I leave the towers at large or change them to small? Am I looking too far into this and I should just stick with the settings the calibration suggests smile.gif
You should change your tower and center setting to small with 60 or 80Hz crossover. Audessey recommends it even your front tower can go low. This way, you leave it to your Rythmik sub to handle the low which is what it is designed for, and your receiver/amp does not have to work as hard providing you with more headroom.
post #9109 of 15132
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone has found a spl graph for the lv12r?

Also do I have more total output when the bass extension is set to medium instead of low?
post #9110 of 15132
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

You should change your tower and center setting to small with 60 or 80Hz crossover. Audessey recommends it even your front tower can go low. This way, you leave it to your Rythmik sub to handle the low which is what it is designed for, and your receiver/amp does not have to work as hard providing you with more headroom.

This is something I really don't agree with, or better yet don't understand. Does Audyssey, YPAO and or Pio configuration programs all say regardless of what it comes up with set speakers to small and a specific crossover - IE basically ignore what the program is/are sensing/reading? One would come to the conclusion that with all the advancements and refinements within these configuration programs if you were meant to set speakers to small regardless, it would recognize the sub and just default to all speakers being set to small... This is honestly a question I have had..?
"Headroom" is one thing but most don't listen that loud to worry about it. The reason I bring this up is I just recently added two DIY Rythmik 1510 kits to my HT. Basically two beefed up F15HPs. My mains and surrounds are all identical large powered towers that YPAO sets to large and 40Hz. Prior to having the subs I ran all four of the large drivers as independent subs via RCA and set the towers as Small and 60Hz. Basically would perform a 5 or so position YPAO run and then tweak the "size" and crossovers etc. With the towers now speaker wire only and the sub-out RCA runs going to the Rythmiks, I let YPAO do its thing as well as experimented and played around with my own ideas - meter and all.... The best overall soundstage came from the 100% YPAO config - of which had the four towers set to "large" and 40Hz. I would not have thought this would be the case yet came to the same conclussion as JT78681 above - I'm just going to leave it as configured by YPAO and listen for a bit...

Cheers
post #9111 of 15132
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post

+1. The mixers of the film may have put similar or identical bass content in the LFE channel and the right and left channels, but you need to reproduce them all to get those particular sounds/frequencies to the level at which they were mixed. (Also, odd as it may seem, my impression from the movies with BASS thread is that what I'd likely call infrasonics are more likely to exist in the left and right channels than in the LFE channel.
That sounds like an argument for setting your FL/FR to large.
post #9112 of 15132
KJ,
Agreed. You do what sound best to you. Most folks here set their front full range to small. I am not quite understand 'large and 40hz' as I thought large mean full range and you can't crossover them.
post #9113 of 15132
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post #9114 of 15132
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

KJ,
I am not quite understand 'large and 40hz' as I thought large mean full range and you can't crossover them.

I'm with you on the large/40Hz setting... I've actually asked the question on my AVRs thread. I know I can't manually set a speaker to "large" and select 40Hz yet when YPAO was complete I did a double take as well. All four towers set Large - 40Hz. My center Small-60Hz and my in-wall rears were Small-80Hz. All of which makes sense - even the 40Hz on the towers with exception to I too thought Large would be set as "wide open" as I would call it. :-)

The Rythmiks however, brought my HT to another level.
post #9115 of 15132
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The Rythmiks however, brought my HT to another level.
Nice. I feel the same with my FV15HP:)
post #9116 of 15132
Brian,
Someone asked in this thread somewhere that if you will make speakers. Any plan on that soon? Like some horn load high senitivity speakers? Hsu and SVS seem to be very successful and so are JTR and Seaton in that regard. I am in the market for some nice high sensitivity LCR bookshelf speakers and even think about DIY. If you are planning to have some speakers in the near future, I would definitely wait for that to happen as I trust your back ground to be able to design some really nice speakers as you do with subs. Thanks
post #9117 of 15132
What size Rythmik for a 13 x 15 room? Mainly for movies
post #9118 of 15132
LV12R will be just fine for that room but it was me, I would go for the biggest FV15HP (next to the biggest now that the F25 is avialable). I have the FV15HP in my 14x19x10 enclosed room.
post #9119 of 15132
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

This is something I really don't agree with, or better yet don't understand. Does Audyssey, YPAO and or Pio configuration programs all say regardless of what it comes up with set speakers to small and a specific crossover - IE basically ignore what the program is/are sensing/reading? One would come to the conclusion that with all the advancements and refinements within these configuration programs if you were meant to set speakers to small regardless, it would recognize the sub and just default to all speakers being set to small... This is honestly a question I have had..?
"Headroom" is one thing but most don't listen that loud to worry about it. The reason I bring this up is I just recently added two DIY Rythmik 1510 kits to my HT. Basically two beefed up F15HPs. My mains and surrounds are all identical large powered towers that YPAO sets to large and 40Hz. Prior to having the subs I ran all four of the large drivers as independent subs via RCA and set the towers as Small and 60Hz. Basically would perform a 5 or so position YPAO run and then tweak the "size" and crossovers etc. With the towers now speaker wire only and the sub-out RCA runs going to the Rythmiks, I let YPAO do its thing as well as experimented and played around with my own ideas - meter and all.... The best overall soundstage came from the 100% YPAO config - of which had the four towers set to "large" and 40Hz. I would not have thought this would be the case yet came to the same conclussion as JT78681 above - I'm just going to leave it as configured by YPAO and listen for a bit...

Cheers

See audyssey sets my center and towers to large and 40 hz as well, but my pioneers can't go quite that low. It sets my rear in wall speakers to small with a 110hz crossover.
post #9120 of 15132
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Originally Posted by Scottyp3 View Post

What size Rythmik for a 13 x 15 room? Mainly for movies

I have my LV12R in a sealed room this size and it feels it with authority.
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