:: What is THX Ultra 2 plus?:: - Page 2

Originally Posted by phantom52

True and also all you have to do is look at the test reports on various receivers to know that they COULD meet those specs. A few I can think of right off the top is the Denon 4308CI or even the 3808CI. I'm sure there others out there that would also pass THX certification easily, just not worth the additional cost for liscensing. Have no idea what those cost are but evidently those makers feel their products are worthy enough without paying for it. Read the full test reports on products and not just reviews or personal preferences from online or magazines to determine the real value of a product.

Originally Posted by phantom52

True and also all you have to do is look at the test reports on various receivers to know that they COULD meet those specs. A few I can think of right off the top is the Denon 4308CI or even the 3808CI. I'm sure there others out there that would also pass THX certification easily, just not worth the additional cost for liscensing. Have no idea what those cost are but evidently those makers feel their products are worthy enough without paying for it. Read the full test reports on products and not just reviews or personal preferences from online or magazines to determine the real value of a product.

Originally Posted by osofast240sx

im suprised Anthem Paid for THX

Originally Posted by perpetual

one thing I've noticed is that thx ultra 2 plus certified receivers usually have better amp sections, draw more power and weight more.

Originally Posted by danielo

why they get something in return, here is anthem on the thx process. Maybe some brands don't mind or even prefer if some external (second level) testing is done to catch mistakes and result in a better product ?

Let me note for myself owning a $$ pre/pro and amp, i think THX should test more. I would love to pay $250 more on my AVP and other units if for example all this HDMI mess would not have happened over the last 3 to 4 years.

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Nick Platsis from Anthem Audio Video:

"The THX Ultra2 spec has tougher standards compared to the other licensing bodies, for example higher output swings are required, especially for the subwoofer channel. On the video side, no one else tests it. It's good that someone does, for example some manufacturers may take the bandwidth of a video switch and try to pass that on as the bandwidth of the whole circuit from input jack to output jack. Regardless, it's not difficult to meet any of these standards unless attempting to do it on the cheap or there's an element of laziness somewhere.

The challenge is integrating every single option that THX, Dolby, and DTS have to offer while maintaining user friendly operation and preventing conflicts between the various requirements. Then, when more processing options appear on the scene, it starts all over. Luckily, the people at THX are great to work with."
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Originally Posted by osofast240sx

what happen to the Onkyo 806?

Originally Posted by perpetual

what happened to it?

btw I said usually.

Originally Posted by phantom52

Not positive but he will have to answer this for himself to be sure. Could it be the Major diet it went on as compared to its previous model(805)? Why yes that's problably it. How did they do it? Kept all previous certs. and lost a lot of weight in the process. Onkyo has some secrets up their sleeves that they are not telling anyone else. They could save all of us a lot of money especially for shipping charges if they ever need repairs. I would get off a lot cheaper shipping a 806 as compared to my 876 which is the same weight as the 805 was.

Originally Posted by perpetual

yeah I read something about that. I guess the notion of losing weight to stay healthy doesn't translate well to receivers.

Originally Posted by osofast240sx

what happen to the Onkyo 806?

Originally Posted by DigitalGriffin

That would be nothing of sheer stupidity for any manufacturer to do. For if some magazine does some basic testing on a production unit, and it falls short (ie: Output) then that company would be in serious trouble, and likely have all future licensing rights on all models revoked by THX.

Originally Posted by diamonddelts

I think you meant to say nothing but sheer stupidity. You lost me with your bad grammar and poor choice of words there. Heaven forbid someone actually check the components of units to make sure they are living up to the specs a certain stamp or license claims. That would be wildly inefficient and just plain HONEST.

Originally Posted by bluesky636

I understand that THX has an immediate opening for a "certified resistor inspector." Maybe you should apply.

Originally Posted by diamonddelts

Lol. It's okay bro. I know we should just trust the THX logo which is only based on a prototype meeting certain specifications. The manufacturers are on the honor system when it comes to all of their future manufactured units meeting the specs of the prototype unit on a consistent basis.

But the manufacturers are good, honest people that will never lie nor would they sell items with substandard parts to increase their profit margins

Originally Posted by osofast240sx

this is why we demo products because we cannot take them on their word. ex. onkyo 805 one of the best all time receivers for the money vs onkyo 806 one of the worst of all time. both bear the same thx logo almost identical features but performed totaly different.

Originally Posted by diamonddelts

Lol. It's okay bro. I know we should just trust the THX logo which is only based on a prototype meeting certain specifications. The manufacturers are on the honor system when it comes to all of their future manufactured units meeting the specs of the prototype unit on a consistent basis.

But the manufacturers are good, honest people that will never lie nor would they sell items with substandard parts to increase their profit margins

Originally Posted by bluesky636

What world do you live in? Certainly not the real world. Just think for a second what you are advocating. Ok, take longer if you need to.

How many years has the THX certification program been in existance? How many different designs (AVRs, Pre-Pros, speakers, subs, DVD players, TVs, etc.) do you think have been certified in that time? Now, how many of those designs have been built and sold to the listening/viewing public? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? Are you seriously claiming that THX should check each and every one of thoses pieces of gear as they roll of the assembly line? No sane person would even consider that. Now, if you were to say that THX should randomly spot check things, that is more reasonable. How do you know that they don't already do that? Their certification specs are treated as proprietary information. I would have to believe that the details of the entire certification process are proprietary and would not be revealed to the manufacturers or the general public.

I do know that THX will re-inspect a THX certified movie theater if there is reasonable suspicion that the theater is not adhering to the THX specifications. That happed to a local theater in my area. When they opened, they were the first and only THX certified theater in the area. They looked and sounded phenomenal. However, after several years, their performance slipped. Someone may have complained, and soon after they lost their THX certification. I would be willing to bet that THX would do the same with an audio manufacturer if these was a valid reason to do so. Keep in mind that if a slip occurred, both THX's and the manufacturer's reputation could be damaged. Do you seriously believe anyone is going to let that happen?

Originally Posted by diamonddelts

oh know. I don't think any manufacturer would slowly let the quality of their products decrease over time. I'm also sure THX does have someone spot check at least 1 out of every 1000 units produced with their famous logo attached to it.

Nothing like letting someone use your namesake to plaster it all over their products then not ever checking on the manufacturer to make sure they are continuously adhering to your standards. I mean manufacturers would never cut corners would they? That would surely erode consumer loyalty over time. Coughgeneralmotorscough.

Originally Posted by danielo

If you feel that onkyo has broken their license with THX why don't you just mail thx. Explain why you feel that your Ultra2 unit doesn't perform and see what happens ?

Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman

Maybe you could email THX as mentioned above, and ask why the 806 is THX Ultra 2 and yet does not seem to manage reference level in a compliant room?

Originally Posted by diamonddelts

oh know. I don't think any manufacturer would slowly let the quality of their products decrease over time. I'm also sure THX does have someone spot check at least 1 out of every 1000 units produced with their famous logo attached to it.

Nothing like letting someone use your namesake to plaster it all over their products then not ever checking on the manufacturer to make sure they are continuously adhering to your standards. I mean manufacturers would never cut corners would they? That would surely erode consumer loyalty over time. Coughgeneralmotorscough.

Originally Posted by sphinx99

I would think more of THX if they published information about exactly what it is they do to certify their products. None of my THX products come with a statement of results or a list of standards that were adhered to. If I say "show me" they all come up empty. So near as I can tell, I'm paying more to take it on George Lucas's word that my product is better, and he does not want to show me anything other than marketing fluff on the web site to back it up.

Therefore my answer to the OP is: "THX is a marketing label that costs a lot of money. It may or may not have resulted in the product carrying it turning out any better but if you are friends with George then you may want to check with him."

Originally Posted by ///3oris

You start out with one thought and then completely change your mind and claim something else. When THX certifies a product, that's the product that goes into production. It's built the same way on the assembly line and any differences/problems are defects rather than a company trying to cut corners. What you're suggesting is that you just bought a 6-cylinder car but the car company put a 4-cylinder engine into it. What you're suggesting is actually illegal and a company would have to worry about losing a lot more than its THX cert. Please stop with the conspiracy theories and BS.

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