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post #1051 of 1261
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I think they are around $1500 and $1650 in Canada both MSRP. Not sure how this will change with the dollar at par.

John

MSRPs in Canada are $1099, $1649, $2199 respectively. Wondering what they'll be in the US.

Another thought maybe I just get the 300 here if I can get a decent discount, then when the Marantz 7005 drops to the $1100 US range pick one up there and compare the two and sell the one I don't like. Hmmm...

Edit: or sell the one I like better maybe I should say!
post #1052 of 1261
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Originally Posted by KB007 View Post

I suggest you have a chat with your marketing / customer service / CRM manager/VP and make then realize that there is a significant probability of turning a positive customer response into a very negative one. This is my first experience with Anthem products specifically (tho I've owned and still own a number of paradigm products) and, although I'll probably recover I will alwyas remember that you created this by not including either a very inexpensive adapter, or making your cable 9 pin to usb.

Not arguing, just telling it like it is so there's understanding:

Starting with planning the AVRs three years ago this was discussed several times with everyone you mentioned and then some participating. Things are not always as simple as they seem. All the other accessories are practically commodities and don't compare - even the remote costs a fraction of the subject, and with a plastic moulding machine at hand there's nothing to turning a piece of ordinary tubing into a tripod.

The Keyspan adapter is not only someone else's finished product but it costs five times more than its own competition. Making everyone pay for one when the dealer can lend one out is not cost effective. Designing serial out of ARC for the receivers would have delayed things. Leave ARC out of the receivers and avoid this issue altogether? *Not* part of the conversation.

There's a reason for everything. It was known all along that some people would be upset with this. But for one there is a solution and for another raising price upsets everyone except those who can say "cost is not object" - the receivers are far from that category. Result: The lesser of the evils gets chosen.
post #1053 of 1261
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Originally Posted by lpw View Post

I didn't learn anything new from what's been reported here besides the fact that Anthem has plans to release 2-channel preamps with ARC at some point.
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The rep also acknowledged that keeping the RS232 interface instead of using the modern USB connection was a mistake and that the guy responsible for making that call is no longer with the company.

Not enough interest in 2-channel to remove it from back burner where it's been for ages (TLP 1 was sold between 2002-2009 and hardly noticed compared to AVRs), and if realized it would be a Statement model.
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Ethernet actually, not USB. Spec'd into MRX 900 from the start. Ignore previously mentioned eta and price... there won't be much else to talk about for quite a while.
post #1054 of 1261
@Nick @ Anthem, would you mind replying to my post #1018? Thanks!
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Thanks for the reply on the 3D support. Look forward to that. Also on the adaptor. I used one from Best Buy that was made by Dynex and it seemed to work fine. I am new to ARC but so far seems to sound very good. I borrowed a friends laptop to run it initially till I get Windows loaded on my Mac. Once that is done I'll play with ARC more extensively.

I have one more question. How do I get the OSD to show input status, ect. I can get volume to show and every now and them I get a glimpse of what input and sound format are playing but no particular button seems to bring it up. I know a Through you get no OSD.

Thanks for the help in advance

J.C.
post #1056 of 1261
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

A couple of questions:

(1) What will the MRX do if you feed them a 3D 1080p60 signal? Will it be able to handle it? Or at least passthrough? I'm asking because the bandwidth needed for 3D 1080p60 is higher than most current HDMI chips can handle...

(2) With the MRX turned off (or in standby), is the HDMI signal passed through? I've been told some receivers do that, some don't.

(3) Is there an easy way for my HTPC to remote control the MRX? Preferably through LAN, or at least through serial cable? I'm mainly interested in being able to read and write "volume" and "mute". I need to be able to do these things with my own (Windows) software.

(4) Will the MRX be able to handle "funny" resolutions like e.g. 1080p with 24.000Hz or 25.000Hz? Will it at least passthrough not-supported modes?

(5) I'm wondering whether it's worth it to wait for the MRX 900? Does anybody have a list of things where the MRX 900 will be better than the MRX 700? Will the MRX 900 case have the same depth as the MRX 700? (my rack is limited in how deep a receiver it can handle)

The only guarantee someone at Anthem will see the questions is by sending them to Anthem. I go for months without reading posts. Only doing it now due to recent MRX launch, on personal time and heading out after this.

1. Depending on the player there might be some luck with MRX video in Through mode but I wouldn't count on it. 3D that you can buy today does not need increased bandwidth and I have no idea when next-gen with flicker free refresh rates will be on the market. HDMI v1.4a 3D recognizes 3D flag and sets video processor bypass mode. It's in the cards for MRX via software update, I'm hoping before year's end.

2. No, and in cases where it's possible it's a menu option. Leaving HDMI powered on when the rest is in standby still requires 10-20 times the 4W standby consumption limit imposed by many standards. Some countries are even looking to a 1W requirement.

3. Serial commands are slated to be expanded considerably in around three months. For now they are:

?' Returns the product identification string (MRX500 vn.nn' for the MRX500 and MRX700 vn.nn' for the MRX700 where n.nn is the internal firmware version

SN?' Returns the product serial number in the form XXXXXXXX. where each X is a numerical digit 0-9.

'PnP1' power up zone n (if not already powered up)

'PnP0' power off zone n (if not already powered off)

PnP?' returns PnP1 if zone is currently on, and PnP0 if the zone is currently off

PnSx' switch to source x in zone n (for Zone2 only x=0,19 are valid)

PnS?' returns the currently selected source x in zone n as PnSx'

PnM0' mute audio output in zone n

PnM1' unmute audio output in zone n

PnVMyy' set the main volume in zone n to yy

PnVMU' increase the main volume in zone n by 1 step (similar to volume up on remote)

PnVMD' decrease the main volume in zone n by 1 step (similar to volume down on remote)

4. Consumer electronics (CE) standards only.

5. MRX 900 is a considerably different beast with AVM 50v genes, an amp circuit all its own, and at least a year away. Only the individual can decide how long to wait for anything - the "newer better things will come out" cycle never ends while life passes by. It'll cost more than twice the MRX 700 and on price I always said for maximum enjoyment and least likelihood of buyer's remorse get the best you can afford and pretend that anything beyond that doesn't exist.
post #1057 of 1261
Thanks for your reply, Nick.

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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

4. Consumer electronics (CE) standards only.

Well, if you look at the CEA-861E specification, there are dozens of funny modes listed there. All those qualify as "CE" modes, but still I suspect the MRX will only support a subset of those. But anyway, that's ok with me. My main question is: Will the MRX pass unsupported video formats through? Or will I get a blacked out screen if the video format is not supported? Passthrough is fine with me. Blacked out screen would be really bad, because it would require me to install an HDMI splitter or something similar to get my video signals to the display, and I'm afraid of EDID problems etc if I have to go that route...
post #1058 of 1261
I don't know of course what Anthem will add for new Serial control support in the future firmware Nick mentions for the MRX line, but if you want to see the sort of stuff folks are used to with their prepro products (e.g., the D2v) grab the ARC install kit download from their web site and look for the spreadsheet in the Manuals folder that defines the RS-232 command set for the prepros.

It is, as I've said many times over in the tweaking thread, "extensive beyond belief".

The bandwidth limitation on 3D has to do with the current generation of HDMI V1.4 chips (used in source devices, in displays, etc.), which were rushed out the door to get 3D into the market quickly and thus don't really implement everything HDMI Org has been promising. Imagine that....

Should be a fun time all around when they try to explain why the 3D you've already purchased is not "really" 3D in about a year. I'm sure they'll try to bury it under a marketing name like, "Honest to Gosh 3D", or "God's Own 3D".

For now you've got things like Panasonic touting their VT25 display as able to display 2 full 1080p/60 streams for 3D while slyly not bothering to mention that there's no way to GET that much data into the display in the first place. I.e., they are frame doubling lower bandwidth input.
--Bob
post #1059 of 1261
Guy's
A whole weekend and not 1 single review on how this amp sounds???
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Where is Canada?
post #1061 of 1261
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

Where is Canada?

She is busy polishing her Olympic Hockey gold medals

Cheers.
post #1062 of 1261
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Guy's
A whole weekend and not 1 single review on how this amp sounds???

amp or receiver? Did mention that my 500 performed very well in my friends 7.1 system albeit without ARC. That should be coming soon. Of course not a magazine length
Forgot to mention, I'm having fun with Internet radio.
John
post #1063 of 1261
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Originally Posted by mateored View Post

I'm really interested in the MRX 700, but I think the lack of Mac software for ARC might keep me away. We only have Macs, which means if I want to run ARC, I would have to buy and run Windows and Parallels or Bootcamp (which I'm not going to do since I don't want to muck up my hard drive with that), or buy a used laptop just to run ARC, which will add substantial cost to the receiver. Not really worth it.

I have used Fusion for years specifically for ARC. Does fine. It does take space but I have not seen any other ill effects.
post #1064 of 1261
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

She is busy polishing her Olympic Hockey gold medals

But thanks to the Chicago Blackhawks, she sure is not polishing the Stanley Cup.....
post #1065 of 1261
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Originally Posted by lpw View Post

I went to the Audio One event yesterday as well and saw/heard the 700 in action. I spoke to the Anthem rep as well. I didn't learn anything new from what's been reported here besides the fact that Anthem has plans to release 2-channel preamps with ARC at some point. I'm thinking of consolidating my gear so it is important to me that 2-channel music listening sounds good as well. Perhaps ARC on these receivers will be the difference maker even if the preamp section isn't as good as some of the dedicated preamps out there. The rep also acknowledged that keeping the RS232 interface instead of using the modern USB connection was a mistake and that the guy responsible for making that call is no longer with the company. Firmwares will also be done through the ethernet port (I'm pretty sure I heard that correctly).

Anyways, they had a good promotional price for the 500 and 700 that day only, so I put my deposit down and I'm now waiting for the week of Nov. 22nd when a big shipment is supposed to arrive. That'll give me some time to track down that RS232-USB cable. I think I'll take a chance on the monoprice one.

What was the promotional price? I couldn't make it that day to Audio One. PM me if that's more acceptable.
post #1066 of 1261
i have an external amp the butler 5150, which should i get the mrx300 or mrx500? please help! thanks
post #1067 of 1261
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Guy's
A whole weekend and not 1 single review on how this amp sounds???

No new owner is willing to give a real review because each has either been unable to run ARC due to lack of a Keyspan adapter, or is afraid to because they do not want to be the starter of the Official Anthem MRX Receiver thread.

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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

amp or receiver? Did mention that my 500 performed very well in my friends 7.1 system albeit without ARC. That should be coming soon. Of course not a magazine length
Forgot to mention, I'm having fun with Internet radio.
John

post #1068 of 1261
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

But thanks to the Chicago Blackhawks, she sure is not polishing the Stanley Cup.....

Good one! Cheers.
post #1069 of 1261
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

No new owner is willing to give a real review because each has either been unable to run ARC due to lack of a Keyspan adapter, or is afraid to because they do not want to be the starter of the Official Anthem MRX Receiver thread.


....those bastards.


Actually, weekends can be busy. Let them get to work and post on their employer's time.
post #1070 of 1261
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

No new owner is willing to give a real review because each has either been unable to run ARC due to lack of a Keyspan adapter, or is afraid to because they do not want to be the starter of the Official Anthem MRX Receiver thread.

This weekend I really CRANKED the 700.

First I put in Mozart Piano Sonatas in DTS 7.1, and was really amazed. Not so much by the quality of the amp, I've had NAD's in the room before and I'd say the Anthem MRX 700 is the equal to the NAD 773. Which is to say, the MRX700 amp is very, very good. But when I switched between ARC (on/off) that's when the low end smoothed out considerably and the real value of this receiver kicked in.

Then I put in the DVD-A of Fleetwood Mac Rumors and the second song "Dreams" has a LOT of low end extension. Enjoying this, I kept cranking the volume - going from -14 all the way to 0. Then I went ONE more (+1) and I heard it. My center channel was making a noise. I lowered the volume back to 0 and it went away (0 is still plenty loud). I went back to +1 and heard it again. I then went into the bass controls and moved the cutoff from 60Hz to 100Hz and cranked the volume again (same song). This time I got to +4, no funny sound, but it was just too loud.

So, I'm leaning heavily that my center channel was simply being pushed too hard and it wasn't the amp clipping. That said, I'm running a massive center channel, the Paradigm Studio CC690.

I heard the same problem with a pair of Totem Lynk's Surround speakers hooked up to my NAD, but those Lynk's were real light weight with 4" woofers/midrange.

Regardless if the issue was the speaker or the amp, it's always a bit frustrating that my equipment has a weak link. And, yes, I know that at +1 db the volume was REALLY cranked, but for 3 minutes, every once in a while, I like to really crank the volume. The good news is the sub filled in nicely.
post #1071 of 1261
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Originally Posted by Odd I/O View Post

What was the promotional price? I couldn't make it that day to Audio One. PM me if that's more acceptable.

There wasn't any sign posting a promotional price per se. My sales guy was saying that there was an additional 5% savings to be had due to the reps being there. That would be 5% in addition to whatever else you could negotiate.

Denon though had a receiver that listed for $2100 that they were advertising one day only at $1000. That was the kind of deal I was looking for with Anthem/Paradigm. But alas, it didn't materialize for the stuff I was looking at.
post #1072 of 1261
I have an AVM50 in my main theatre room, and an Integra DTR6.5 in my regular room. I will definitely be getting an AVM50v for the main theatre.

For the regular room, I'm debating between a new MRX500, or moving my existing AVM50 over there and getting an amp (PVA2?) to pair it with. I can either trade in my AVM50 towards the new AVM50v (at a considerable loss) and get the new MRX500, or pay a bit more and just keep the AVM50 for the regular room. By the way, paying a bit more is relative. I'm looking at a $20k+ upgrade to my two rooms.

Do I really need ARC for a 2.1 speaker setup? I make sure to buy components that decode the high def audio codecs into LPCM, I don't care about HD radio, and I think 3-D is a gimmick. So a lot of the new features of the MRX series don't really apply to me.
post #1073 of 1261
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

I have an AVM50 in my main theatre room, and an Integra DTR6.5 in my regular room. I will definitely be getting an AVM50v for the main theatre.

For the regular room, I'm debating between a new MRX500, or moving my existing AVM50 over there and getting an amp (PVA2?) to pair it with. I can either trade in my AVM50 towards the new AVM50v (at a considerable loss) and get the new MRX500, or pay a bit more and just keep the AVM50 for the regular room. By the way, paying a bit more is relative. I'm looking at a $20k+ upgrade to my two rooms.

Do I really need ARC for a 2.1 speaker setup? I make sure to buy components that decode the high def audio codecs into LPCM, I don't care about HD radio, and I think 3-D is a gimmick. So a lot of the new features of the MRX series don't really apply to me.

i would stick with the AVM50 if your using just for music
post #1074 of 1261
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Originally Posted by osofast240sx View Post

i would stick with the AVM50 if your using just for music

In the main theatre (where the new AVM50v and a 7.1 setup of Paradigm Signatures will reside), I would say I use it more for music than movies.

In the regular room (where there is a Pioneer Elite 60" Kuro plasma and a 2.1 setup of Paradigm Reference millenia 200 and seismic 10), I use it more for tv/movies.
post #1075 of 1261
I definitely agree with the new thread approach. I am hardly qualified to do so, seeing as I don't have one as yet, not to mention only a 5.1 setup anyway.
I certainly understand all the fuss about the whole serial port. It just didn't make sense. It was hardly a surprise. I could see all the headaches coming way back when the manuals were released. In fact, it was almost a big reason why I went with one of the new Yamaha Aventage. After following that thread, it seemed that they are good AVR's, but a real pain to set up. So, I figured I will get a MRX eventually (as of this writing) for the better overall product. When that day comes, seeing as I do not have a laptop, I'll use my desktop. A real pain in the arse, but with no adapter thingy, ARC should work better.
In the meantime, I look forward to hearing all the "real world" reviews.
Peter
post #1076 of 1261
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

In the main theatre (where the new AVM50v and a 7.1 setup of Paradigm Signatures will reside), I would say I use it more for music than movies.

In the regular room (where there is a Pioneer Elite 60" Kuro plasma and a 2.1 setup of Paradigm Reference millenia 200 and seismic 10), I use it more for tv/movies.

then i would consider the 500 or the 700
post #1077 of 1261
FYI for Mac users: I use Boot Camp on a Mac laptop with a retail copy of Windows XP and the Keyspan USA-19HS USB/Serial adapter for my D2v setup stuff including firmware installs and ARC setup. I use that Boot Camp / XP configuration for essentially nothing else so frankly it was less hassle to do that than to get and store a second laptop just to run Windows. (You boot up either as Windows or as Mac OS X. Boot Camp exists in a separate partition on your hard drive.)

There is a Belkin USB/Serial adapter that people have also used, and in particular folks using Fusion on their Macs have reported good luck with it. The Belkin model is the F5U409-CU. (Fusion is software that lets you run a Windows environment that boots up in a window of a normal Mac OS X environment so that you have a virtual Windows display in one Mac window while all the rest of your Mac stuff is everywhere else on screen.)

The trick with these adapters is not the hardware, it is getting Windows software drivers that work.
--Bob
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Then I went ONE more (+1) and I heard it. My center channel was making a noise. I lowered the volume back to 0 and it went away (0 is still plenty loud). I went back to +1 and heard it again. I then went into the bass controls and moved the cutoff from 60Hz to 100Hz and cranked the volume again (same song). This time I got to +4, no funny sound, but it was just too loud.

So, I'm leaning heavily that my center channel was simply being pushed too hard and it wasn't the amp clipping. That said, I'm running a massive center channel, the Paradigm Studio CC690.

Curious, why did you come to that conclusion? I would have said it's the amp. I.e, by setting your X-over higher from 60 to 100hz, the amp no longer has to reproduce the much more difficult lower octave from 60 to 100 (well, there is a roll off so it does reproduce something there), and therefore you had a bit more "volume" left before the amp would distort, approx. 3db assuming +1 to +4 on the MRX equals 3db?

Try hooking up your Main Front or Left (I think you said it was a 100?) to the center channel amp output and perform the same test to see if you get to that "sound" at the same volume as I would think you could push the 100 further than the CC given the extra drivers. Or alternatively, hook up an external amp but I figure that may not be as simple.
post #1079 of 1261
I have been reaching out to the NJ Anthem dealers looking for a MRX demo; so far I got two calls this morning... Total Home Technologies ((totalhomenj.com) Roseland NJ), and Hi-Tech Stereo ((hitechstereo.com) Ocean, NJ) both have MRX receivers up and running. I will check out one or both this week and post my impressions.
Maybe Santa will bring me a MRX-700 next month...
post #1080 of 1261
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Originally Posted by glennQNYC View Post

I have been reaching out to the NJ Anthem dealers looking for a MRX demo; so far I got two calls this morning... Total Home Technologies ((totalhomenj.com) Roseland NJ), and Hi-Tech Stereo ((hitechstereo.com) Ocean, NJ) both have MRX receivers up and running. I will check out one or both this week and post my impressions.
Maybe Santa will bring me a MRX-700 next month...

what about 6ave?
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