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Creating a Custom Home Theater
Designing for Sound
Basic Overview

I joined AVS to share some of my experience and to learn from the guys and gals who sweat out the details of constructing their own home theaters. I do not consider myself the "know all expert". That is why I am here. I want to learn from you. I have seen some really nice work on this site. We all love this stuff. My client base is luxury homes here in SW Fl so I am definitely not here to sell anything to anyone on this site. I don't think any of my potential client's are surfing through threads. They are not the "DIY" types. Since I am new if you want to learn more about me, my qualifications or experience visit my website (not selling anything). It is listed in my info. It is a continual work in progress. I love quality audio, no not an audiophile (hate that term) and hope to encourage audio design considerations for your theaters. Below is some information on basic room considerations. I know we don't always have control over shapes. I have had to deal with the issue on many projects but if you understand the issues it creates maybe you can make some adjustments to improve. Hope it helps.

This writing is intended for those are starting out in the planning process of building a home theater.
While scanning through some threads I noticed that many focused on the video and interior elements. My intent in this post is to get you to think about the importance of sound quality for your room.
To those who decide to only design for video and interior aesthetics you are missing a large part of the home theater experience.

"I'd rather listen to a mid-fi system in a high-end room than a high-end system in a mid-fi room, any day."
This a quote from Arthur Noxon of Acoustic Sciences.
I am in full agreement with Mr. Noxon on this subject. I use the analogy of putting a race car engine in a minivan. Visit ASC’s website at acousticsciences.com. It contains good information on room acoustics and design. Good information can also be found at Green Glue Company, Quiet Solutions and Kinetics. I’m sure there are many others also. I try and stay with companies that offer independent testing results from certified labs.
Budget ;
Concentrate your efforts and budget on the room and infrastructure first. A solid foundation will result in the ability to improve and upgrade your theater over the years.
A/V gear can be upgraded as finances allow. Most of us do this as new equipment hits the market. Upgrading or renovating the room would be a bit tougher. Build it tight, build it right, the first time.
The Space;
We start here because without the space we have no theater. Are you building new, remodeling or using existing space. Each one has issues that must be dealt with and solutions to be found. With new construction you have the ability to design it right. Avoid using square rooms, cubes, round, and parabolic shapes. Rectangles usually provide the best acoustic results. Rooms that are open to the main house, rooms with irregular shapes and rooms with large amounts of ambient light create issues and in my opinion should not be used or considered for a home theater.
Design the theater to control room modes or standing waves. These are undesirable buildups of sound levels at certain low frequencies. Proper room dimension ratios will assist in limiting room modes and greatly improving sound quality. The following room dimension ratios work best to achieve uniform distribution of modal frequencies.
(ceiling, width, length)
1 : 1.6 : 2.33 (Sepmeyer)
1 : 1.59 : 2.18 (Everest)
1 : 1.4 : 1.9 (Louden)
1 : 1.5 : 2.5 (Louden)
1: 1.78 : 2.46 (mine)
reference base for this information is the Master Handbook of Acoustics by F. Alton Everest, along with my additional research, education and field experience. I suggest reading or referencing a copy if you are designing a theater. It is a great (600 page) Handbook offering in-depth information on almost everything about sound, acoustics principles and room design. It is not written to the amateur. You should have a solid basic understanding of sound and acoustics.
Examples of good acoustic home theater sizes;
8’ ceiling is (8’ h) x (14’ 3”w) x (19’ 7”L).
10’ ceiling is (10’h) x (17’ 10”w) x (24’ 7”L)
12’ ceiling is (12’h) x (21’ 4”w) x (29’ 6”)
If you decide to go outside of these suggested room ratios listed above I suggest using a axial/room mode calculator (available on the internet) to plot out room modes. Watch for double and triple coincidences of frequencies. These result in unnatural and uneven sound boosts and cuts.
Home Theater Room Acoustics;
A home theater room creates high sound levels. It is best to plan for sound containment and sound control. Containment refers to keeping the sound in the room (sound proofing). Control refers to the interior acoustics or sound quality of the listening room. There are many options and price points. Important points to remember are density and isolation for containment and absorption and reflection for control. Good listening room acoustics require a balance of absorption and reflection. The over use of absorption panels will make the room overly dead sounding removing most of the high frequency sound rays. The most common sound absorption panels are made of 6-7 PCF density fiberglass. These panels perform well in the upper mid to high frequencies but will have a minimal effect on the low frequencies. Don’t count on them to sound proof your room. The use of sound diffusion products are effective at scattering of high frequencies improving the acoustical performance of the room. The addition of bass traps in the corners of the room are necessary to absorb excessive buildup of the low frequencies caused by the intersection of walls, floor and ceiling. visit realtraps.com and acoustic sciences,com. There is some good info on bass traps.
For sound proofing of single wall construction I have used the following products on theater rooms I have designed for clients over the years;
Acoustic Sciences Isowall Damp, Isoceiling and Isodeck.
Green Glue
Kinetics IsoMax System
All three offer good performance when installed properly. I strongly suggest that you invest in a good performing sound proofing system. Anyone who has built a theater room without addressing sound proofing knows what I am referring to.
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by jlupo View Post

Creating a Custom Home Theater
Screen Size;
There are a couple of basics I can give you as a guide. To know the distance required from the screen to the seating will be a great help. Use a multiplier of screen diagonal times 1.41. Example 100” diagonal screen or 100 x 1.41= 141” from the screen to the seating. Remember this is a minimum distance for high definition material. This will at least give you a guide.


I assume you wrote and posted this here for a purpose although that is not clear.

Your guidelines for seating distance is very OLD SCHOOL. With todays 1080 projectors and the acceptance of 2.35 format screens, desired seating is much closer.

Everything else is pretty basic.
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Can you save me some time and point me to your favorite DESIGN threads that would have details on room size, seating distance from ther screen, screen size,....

Thks.
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you can start here and follow the recommended links

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post15611214

For seating distance this cart which has been posted so many times I no longer know who to cite.



Using the simple 1.41 diagonal guide line in a 2.35 world would say you should sit 15.3 ft from the screen, 20th Century Fox ideal is 12.3 ft.
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Just a bunch of misinformation imho. I hope no new member reads it and believes it to be gospel or even just recommended reading. The user has 2 posts, both of which are examples of his "wisdom".
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Huh?
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Just a bunch of misinformation imho. I hope no new member reads it and believes it to be gospel or even just recommended reading. The user has 2 posts, both of which are examples of his "wisdom".

Actually both of the posts are directly lifted from his business web site.
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Just a bunch of misinformation imho. I hope no new member reads it and believes it to be gospel or even just recommended reading. The user has 2 posts, both of which are examples of his "wisdom".

Better starting point in the link in my sig, IMHO.
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Creating new threads on AVS forum.
Written by Monty Python

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Man, I wish I had this before I started... I have to go back and redo everything now.

"If you plan on multiple rows a 1’ riser height will serve you well. Platforms should be a minimum of 8’ deep."

...back to the basement...

Bad Mark, Bad Mark!
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wow - thank you new member for cutting me some slack1... LOL!
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wow - thank you new member for cutting me some slack1... LOL!

glad you knew what I meant after I misspelled thread a few times. Thanks for not ripping me on that. lol

by the way I am very versed on Green Glue. have used on 4 projects so far. Like the product. Just like to hear other opinions. Always looking for ways to build a better mouse trap.
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to marklabelle
I visited your thread which you started on 9/18/09. You stated that you had been on the site for years. Looking at your original theater plans I had to wonder what you were reading? You are fortunate that members like bigmouthdc and fotto jumped in quickly. To your credit you did listen. I do not feel you are qualified to offer criticism.

Wow, that's harsh.

I assume you are some kind of acoustic expert or your business has something to do with acoustic which is not new in this forum. What I don't like is your tune, without any introduction of yourself as what background you are coming from and what expertise you possess, and you just start posting guideline to lecture people here. You maybe 100% right or 80% right or 50% right which does not matter and is not the point, what matter is what qualifications you have to make folks here to believe you? There are several experts in this forum and some own businesses, some built their own home theater, but they build their reputations and credentials through years of following up posts, answering few questions here and there, explaining things patiently, letting people know what they are doing, helping members with difficult decisions and choices, and over time, they are accepted by forum members as experts on certain areas, you don't just come here saying, "hey, I am an expert and I am telling you what you should do". You have to build your own credentials gradually. Such high profile entry may get you noticed quickly at first, but trust me, it will not get you advanced anywhere here.

Members come and join this forum primarily for the same hobbit that is to bring movie theater experiences home. We welcome anyone come and join to share your experiences, your knowledge and we all learn something from each others, no one knows everything and but every one knows little bit of something, together we all benefit from reading each other posts and threads. So be humble and please understand that not everyone has the perfect space to start and has the resources and time to make everything perfect, often times, we have to deal with certain limitations and have to make compromises based on family priorities, so people may not do things right in someone's eyes, but nobody has the right to judge someone else choices, so don't under estimate members knowledge and wisdom, they may know a lot more than you think, just because someone didn't do it the "right" way, does not means he/she doesn't know what is the "right" way.

Good luck.
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to the walkinator,
I totally agree. If you read the string I was responding to someone who I felt was very harsh. I joined this site to exchange views and ideas with other HT lovers and was greeted with insults with no constructive exchange. I only responded with what I received. Yes harsh, yes some emotions but deserved I felt. It my replies I thanked bigmouth for pointing out an inaccuracy. Had a good exchange with budk. My point is if you want to throw pure insults without the knowledge to back it up be able to handle the same coming your way. My desire is to educate and be educated in a constructive way. I never stop learning and do not think myself "the all knowing expert". I do have substantial experience in the industry. Thanks for your post. I understand the intent and agree.
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to the walkinator,
I totally agree. If you read the string I was responding to someone who I felt was very harsh. I joined this site to exchange views and ideas with other HT lovers and was greeted with insults with no constructive exchange. I only responded with what I received. Yes harsh, yes some emotions but deserved I felt. It my replies I thanked bigmouth for pointing out an inaccuracy. Had a good exchange with budk. My point is if you want to throw pure insults without the knowledge to back it up be able to handle the same coming your way. My desire is to educate and be educated in a constructive way. I never stop learning and do not think myself "the all knowing expert". I do have substantial experience in the industry. Thanks for your post. I understand the intent and agree.

That's cool. Welcome to the forum.
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That's cool. Welcome to the forum.

My sincere thanks for your original post, advice and for the welcome.
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