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post #1801 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Wosuk View Post

Has anyone had any luck with getting the 24bit/96khz stuff to work? the other stuff worked right out of the box. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Same problem here. Running 55-0226B firmware. Everything works if I set max bits to 16, everything is static if I set to 24 (44.1 up to 192khz). 5.1 96/16 even works. I also seem to be having an issue displaying by artist, album, etc. works if I go by folder or playlist. I have a fairly large collection.
post #1802 of 2291
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Originally Posted by himey View Post

Asset will do 24bit 96k but it outputs at 16bit 96k. THIS is according to the Asset log and playback info using foobar2000 as upnp player. Still sounds great to me...I listen to 24/96 vinyl rips all the time!

So is this a 24bit Oppo issue or 24 bit foobar issue? Has anyone streamed 24 bit to the BDP-83 from something other than foobar?
post #1803 of 2291
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Originally Posted by himey View Post

Asset will do 24bit 96k but it outputs at 16bit 96k. THIS is according to the Asset log and playback info using foobar2000 as upnp player. Still sounds great to me...I listen to 24/96 vinyl rips all the time!

nevermind
post #1804 of 2291
What I find very odd is that it has no problemn with 96/24 LPCM off a blueray or DVD. I would think the LPCM streams would be decoded with the same hardware/software regardless of source (optical, USB, or UPnP). Also there shouldn't be any transcoding or other processing, the receiver is taking 96/24 (or up to 192/24) LPCM over the HDMI, right??
post #1805 of 2291
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Originally Posted by patchesj View Post

So is this a 24bit Oppo issue or 24 bit foobar issue? Has anyone streamed 24 bit to the BDP-83 from something other than foobar?

Both have issues. No 24bit but 16bit sounds fine from 24bit source...My "critical" 24/96 I can burn to DVD, DVDA, SACD or AVCHD (bluray). Lately it has been 5.1 SACD's. Vinyl 24/96 sounds great downmixed to 16/96 on the oppo.
post #1806 of 2291
Oppo sounds pretty confident the issue is with my foobar settings, they keep telling me to make sure L24 is off. I don't see a way to do this in foobar 1.1.8, does anyone know if the setting exists? With max bits set to 24 foobar appears to send whatever the file is (16 or 24) based on the console outputs. anything 16 bit works, anything 24 bit gives noise. Oppo even had me connect my analog outputs from the BDP-83 to the prepro, noise is still there with 24 bit.
post #1807 of 2291
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Originally Posted by patchesj View Post

Oppo sounds pretty confident the issue is with my foobar settings, they keep telling me to make sure L24 is off. I don't see a way to do this in foobar 1.1.8, does anyone know if the setting exists? With max bits set to 24 foobar appears to send whatever the file is (16 or 24) based on the console outputs. anything 16 bit works, anything 24 bit gives noise. Oppo even had me connect my analog outputs from the BDP-83 to the prepro, noise is still there with 24 bit.

Set max bits to 16 so that 24 bit files will be sent to the oppo as 16 bits. The BDP-83 cannot accept 24 bit LPCM so you need to have foobar transcode the 24 bit files to 16 bit LPCM. You're hearing static because foobar is sending 24 bit LPCM.
post #1808 of 2291
Oppo support hasn't mentioned anything along those lines, they have been indicating that it should work. The BDP-83 can process 24 bit LPCM tracks off a blueray....
post #1809 of 2291
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Originally Posted by patchesj View Post

Oppo support hasn't mentioned anything along those lines, they have been indicating that it should work. The BDP-83 can process 24 bit LPCM tracks off a blueray....

That is not using DLNA technology. Over the course of this thread it has come up several times. I've been paying close attention because I too would like to stream my files without losing the 24 bit resolution. Unfortunately none of the DLNA application developers have been able to get 24 bit streaming to work with the bdp-83, or the oppo cannot accept 24 bit LPCM using DLNA. Draw your own conclusions.
post #1810 of 2291
neutron77 said that he got 24/96 streaming to his BDP-83 with Nero MediaHome, and verified that it was coming through correctly. I've been able to do that as well, but unfortunately, the files must first be converted to .vob, which is a pain in the ass, and a waste of HD space.
post #1811 of 2291
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Originally Posted by devinthedude57 View Post

neutron77 said that he got 24/96 streaming to his BDP-83 with Nero MediaHome, and verified that it was coming through correctly. I've been able to do that as well, but unfortunately, the files must first be converted to .vob, which is a pain in the ass, and a waste of HD space.

24/96 PCM takes up the same amount of disc space regardless of the format it's in, unless it's a compressed format. VOB files with black screen video shouldn't consume but a few MB more than 24/96 wav.
post #1812 of 2291
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post


24/96 PCM takes up the same amount of disc space regardless of the format it's in, unless it's a compressed format. VOB files with black screen video shouldn't consume but a few MB more than 24/96 wav.

Interesting, I missed that. Are the .vob files transcoded to 24/96 LPCM or is it sent to the oppo in a different format?
post #1813 of 2291
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Originally Posted by generalhead View Post

Interesting, I missed that. Are the .vob files transcoded to 24/96 LPCM or is it sent to the oppo in a different format?

VOB is played without transcoding if your DNLA server is set to allow that. IF the VOB contains LPCM, then that's what you get.
post #1814 of 2291
I see. So it sounds like the problem isn't with the oppo receiving 24 bit LPCM. That confuses me. I guess nobody has been able to figure out how to properly transcode to 24 bit LPCM on the fly?
post #1815 of 2291
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

24/96 PCM takes up the same amount of disc space regardless of the format it's in, unless it's a compressed format. VOB files with black screen video shouldn't consume but a few MB more than 24/96 wav.

You're absolutely right. I should have worded that differently. What I meant was, since I plan on keeping the original flac files, it effectively doubles the amount of HD space needed to have both. I plan on making .vob versions when I want to listen to them (which is still time consuming and annoying), and deleting them when I'm done.
post #1816 of 2291
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Originally Posted by devinthedude57 View Post

You're absolutely right. I should have worded that differently. What I meant was, since I plan on keeping the original flac files, it effectively doubles the amount of HD space needed to have both. I plan on making .vob versions when I want to listen to them (which is still time consuming and annoying), and deleting them when I'm done.

The LEAST time consuming and annoying option is to sell the 83 and get a 93. Might not cost all that much given the current value of a used 83. The 93 really does have a lot to offer for 83 owners. FLAC (and meta tags), WAV, ISO, 3D and the list goes on. Not to mention the hardware improvements. And last but not least, you'd be supporting the folks at Oppo. Think of it as creating jobs.
post #1817 of 2291
So here is an interesting response from Oppo today regarding the case I have open with them...

"We found a file that exhibits these errors, but we found that the same errors also occur on the BDP-93 and the BDP-95. These players use completely different architectures, so they should not be producing the same artifacts.

We are in the process or obtaining older Foobar2000 clients and foo_upnp components to ensure that the errors were not caused by an update by Foobar2000, as previously all of our players supported 24-bit LPCM over the network."
post #1818 of 2291
I tried Asset today instead of foobar. The searching/indexing of the files is much faster, but the 24 bit problem still exists.. I find it strange that it seems everyone out there has experienced the lack of 24 bit lpcm support on the bdp-83, but Oppo doesn't/didn't seem to know it is a problem???
post #1819 of 2291
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Originally Posted by patchesj View Post

I tried Asset today instead of foobar. The searching/indexing of the files is much faster, but the 24 bit problem still exists.. I find it strange that it seems everyone out there has experienced the lack of 24 bit lpcm support on the bdp-83, but Oppo doesn't/didn't seem to know it is a problem???

I don't think they "officially" support UPNP. This could be a reason?
post #1820 of 2291
I'm setting up a system for streaming mainly self-captured and edited video footage (HDV standard, possibly AVCHD/1080p later on) and lossless stereo audio files (either 44.1kHz / 16 bit or 24-bit WAV/LPCM) from a NAS to my Oppo BDP-83.

My main computer is a Mac Mini (2.3 GHz Core i5 CPU), so I'm not sure whether I should use it with a special media server program while the NAS would simply act as a network disk, or rely on the NAS to do the transcoding instead (i.e. whether the Mac Mini has enough power to do all the transcoding).

Any opinions or comments? I'm mainly looking for a NAS with 4-bay drive capability and possibly built-in transcoding capability. On the other hand, I don't want the costs to get too big (below 500 euros for the NAS). The main priority anyway is to have as smooth operation as possible when streaming with the Oppo BDP-83.

I have noticed that Synology an QNAP are the two most commonly recommended manufacturers for a NAS device. Does any of these manufacturers have any models which would have some media type transcoding capability already built-in?

Also, are there any models which would have LAN switch/hub built-in so I could attach my Mac Mini directly to the NAS?
post #1821 of 2291
The synology Ds211j I have does do on the fly transcoding. The only limitation I have found is that it only transcodes to .WAV. I have used my synology as my music server for 10 months, and NEVER had to restart,rescan or anything. The box even adds all my new songs automatically. Other servers I have used, when you add new songs, you have to tell it to re-compile. Not so with the synology. It is able to add them to the server automaticallly.
I cannot speak to the hub/switch question.
post #1822 of 2291
Anyone have any suggestions for fairly inexpensive NAS devices that I can use with my BDP 93 for FLAC playback? I'm getting tired of constantly moving my USB drive back and forth from my home-office desktop computer (where I create the Flac files) to the home-den (where I play them).

Will the NAS be as fast as usb connected drives?

I'd be using a hardwired Cat 5 ethernet connection via hub and switches.

I see the WD MyBook Live gets mixed reviews.

Thanks.
post #1823 of 2291
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Anyone have any suggestions for fairly inexpensive NAS devices that I can use with my BDP 93 for FLAC playback? I'm getting tired of constantly moving my USB drive back and forth from my home-office desktop computer (where I create the Flac files) to the home-den (where I play them).

Will the NAS be as fast as usb connected drives?

I'd be using a hardwired Cat 5 ethernet connection via hub and switches.

I see the WD MyBook Live gets mixed reviews.

Thanks.

I use a 2 TB Mybook Live with the 93 for video and music. Works like a charm and the included Twonky is probably one of the most tested server software with the Oppo. It's fast, linked through a gigabit switch to my desktop it's as fast as a USB2 disk.
post #1824 of 2291
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I use a 2 TB Mybook Live with the 93 for video and music. Works like a charm and the included Twonky is probably one of the most tested server software with the Oppo. It's fast, linked through a gigabit switch to my desktop it's as fast as a USB2 disk.

OK - Thanks.

How secure is it should I decide to use it as a data storage tool for computer backups? It would be behind my cable modem and on my router hub but with it being on 24/7 I am hesitant to use it for data storage just like I am hesitant using these online backup services. For the same reason that it is easy for me to use it for backups, the bad guys can also theoretically get to it.
post #1825 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Orb Products Bring Netflix, Pandora, Amazon, Hulu, etc. to Oppo

http://www.orb.com/

I've done some experimentation with this (as part of Oppo Beta Testing) and it appears to work, albeit in a "new product" sort of way.

You buy the "Orb BR" disc for about $25. It includes a USB memory stick that you insert and set up as your Persistent Storage (instead of using the internal Persistent Storage in the Oppo).

Meanwhile, on a Mac or Windows PC you download the free "Orb Caster" application. Orb Caster actually contains the smarts for connecting to the streaming services, as well as providing the ability to access media files from your computer. NOTE: This is a processor heavy application, so be sure to check the minimum speed specs to see if your computer will suffice.

The third piece is user control. This is accomplished either with a "Mini Controller" app on your computer (included with the Orb Caster download), or a free iOS app "Orb Controller". I believe they also have an Android version but I've not played with that.

You fire up Orb Caster on your computer, and make sure it can receive incoming network connections. Then you play the Orb BR disc on your Oppo. Then you fire up your controller app -- whichever one you want to use. NOTE: All three pieces have to be running on the same, local network so they can find each other.

For password services like Netflix, you tell the controller your account email and password and it sends over and saves those in Orb Caster. At that point you can view your Instant Queue, or do Searches. When you select a program to play, Orb Caster establishes the incoming stream and re-streams that to Orb BR on your Oppo.

For media files, you tell Orb Caster which sets of files to index, and they then become available in the controller app. (Orb Caster can also act as a DLNA server, presenting your media files to the DLNA file playing UI in the Oppo itself.)

There are definitely still some strangenesses in all this, and I don't think the playback quality is quite up to native apps yet (given the same network speed in both cases). But as an alternative to no access at all, it's pretty cool!

Definitely something for you early adopters out there to consider. Folks who will only tolerate a bullet-proof streaming solution should probably wait until more reports come in from folks who've tried it.

NOTE 1: The latest version of Orb BR and Orb Caster supports the Oppo BDP-80, BDP-83, BDP-93 and BDP-95. The Orb folks still need to update all the pages on their web site to properly reflect this. Orb BR auto-updates when it launches. The necessary version of Orb Caster is the one available from the public download link on the Orb web site.

NOTE 2: For the BDP-93 and BDP-95, the native apps for Netflix and Pandora are preferable. But Hulu and Amazon access should still be interesting.
--Bob

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post #1826 of 2291
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Anyone have any suggestions for fairly inexpensive NAS devices that I can use with my BDP 93 for FLAC playback? I'm getting tired of constantly moving my USB drive back and forth from my home-office desktop computer (where I create the Flac files) to the home-den (where I play them).

Will the NAS be as fast as usb connected drives?

I'd be using a hardwired Cat 5 ethernet connection via hub and switches.

I see the WD MyBook Live gets mixed reviews.

Thanks.

Hi Willy,
After researching NAS devices, for my BDP-93, I just went with the QNAP TS-412. I'm about to install my three 2TB Hitachi drives. At $400 it may be more than you want to spend. But it is a rock-solid device with a fast new ARM processor and expandable RAM, supporting 4-bays, RAID support, LOTS of awesome features like Twonky server, downloading using bit torrents (and you can use Transmission), remote access of downloads from iPhone or Android, remote playback of media as well from your phone, iSCSI storage, web server, and much more that I'll probably never use. Also a 2 yr warranty (or maybe it is 3?). http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=193
post #1827 of 2291
Hi,
I have little knowledge about this topic. I would like to make a copy 1:1 of my blu-rays by software as Dvdfab etc. putting them on a NAS. The BDP-93 should navigate through the files playing the selected film. I want to know if this is possible and if I can have a user interface similar to kaleidescape or apple TV.
I thank you in advance for your help.
Umberto
post #1828 of 2291
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Originally Posted by umby1961 View Post

Hi,
I have little knowledge about this topic. I would like to make a copy 1:1 of my blu-rays by software as Dvdfab etc. putting them on a NAS. The BDP-93 should navigate through the files playing the selected film. I want to know if this is possible and if I can have a user interface similar to kaleidescape or apple TV.
I thank you in advance for your help.
Umberto

That won't work over DLNA. The player will find and play individual M2TS files, but that is not the same as supporting the directory structure of a copy of the disc.

What you describe does work for storage locally attached to the player. The BDP-93 will play BDMV folders, or ISO disc images.

For DLNA you would have to convert a title to supported containers and codecs. DVDFab will rip to MKV for example, but it takes a long time.

OPPO has a very basic browser; it's illustrated in the online manual.

-Bill
post #1829 of 2291
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

That won't work over DLNA. The player will find and play individual M2TS files, but that is not the same as supporting the directory structure of a copy of the disc.

What you describe does work for storage locally attached to the player. The BDP-93 will play BDMV folders, or ISO disc images.

For DLNA you would have to convert a title to supported containers and codecs. DVDFab will rip to MKV for example, but it takes a long time.

OPPO has a very basic browser; it's illustrated in the online manual.

-Bill

Yikes - didn't realize this. I guess this means I can store music flacs on NAS and play via DLNA on the BDP-93 but ISO rips will have to be on a separate local hard drive connected to the 93 via USB?

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy a 2 TB NAS and a 2TB USB drive.

How big is the average BluRay ISO file size rip and how long does it take to rip one?
post #1830 of 2291
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Originally Posted by citysoundman View Post

Hi Willy,
After researching NAS devices, for my BDP-93, I just went with the QNAP TS-412. I'm about to install my three 2TB Hitachi drives. At $400 it may be more than you want to spend. But it is a rock-solid device with a fast new ARM processor and expandable RAM, supporting 4-bays, RAID support, LOTS of awesome features like Twonky server, downloading using bit torrents (and you can use Transmission), remote access of downloads from iPhone or Android, remote playback of media as well from your phone, iSCSI storage, web server, and much more that I'll probably never use. Also a 2 yr warranty (or maybe it is 3?). http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=193

Thanks - I will probably go with the WD Live 2TB drive which goes for about $140 from Amazon - more than adequate for my immediate needs.
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