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post #1921 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Anyone know if it is possible to extract the DTS HD MA track from a BluRay that would be in a format playable via attached USB device or via network (NAS) on the Oppo BDP 93?

Apparently DVDFab does not have this ability or if it does, I am missing something. I don't want to spend the time and hard drive space to rip the entire audio & video BluRay just for the audio track.

Thanks.

Does DVDFab not do what you want? Blu-ray Ripper -> Audio, and there are a variety of output formats: mp3, wma, aac, etc.

-Bill
post #1922 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Does DVDFab not do what you want? Blu-ray Ripper -> Audio, and there are a variety of output formats: mp3, wma, aac, etc.

-Bill

Looking to extract it in lossless format. There is an option to extract to wave but the sample rate doesn't match what the Oppo is capable of decoding.

I tried the AUDIO.COPY feature and this saved to file extension called DTS (*.dts) but I have no idea what, if anything, I can do with this type of file.

I would think a lot of people would want to do this with their concert & music blurays.......

Thanks.
post #1923 of 2522
Foobar2000 probably has a plugin for decoding DTS, but you might get the lossy core. Decoding DTS-MA on your PC is the main hurdle and you need something capable of that (ie: codec).

eac3to can surely demux the audio stream but again you need to be able to decode it.

Most folks just watch the concert. Or, you can turn the video off and just listen.
post #1924 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Looking to extract it in lossless format. There is an option to extract to wave but the sample rate doesn't match what the Oppo is capable of decoding.

I tried the AUDIO.COPY feature and this saved to file extension called DTS (*.dts) but I have no idea what, if anything, I can do with this type of file.

I would think a lot of people would want to do this with their concert & music blurays.......

Thanks.

Here is an approach I just tested with the BDP-93, over DLNA.

There is a free tool called tsMuxerGUI. It will both demux tracks into separate files and remux them into a variety of containers, including m2ts, which the OPPO can use for high def audio codecs. No video required.

You'll need a decrypted Blu-ray structure. With tsMuxerGUI open the BDMV/PLAYLIST/00000.mpls file. This automatically handles complicated BR structures, which you sometimes find.

Deselect all the tracks except the one you want and choose the Demux option to save it. Close the original, open the new track and mux it into an m2ts container.

-Bill
post #1925 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Foobar2000 probably has a plugin for decoding DTS, but you might get the lossy core. Decoding DTS-MA on your PC is the main hurdle and you need something capable of that (ie: codec).

eac3to can surely demux the audio stream but again you need to be able to decode it.

Most folks just watch the concert. Or, you can turn the video off and just listen.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Here is an approach I just tested with the BDP-93, over DLNA.

There is a free tool called tsMuxerGUI. It will both demux tracks into separate files and remux them into a variety of containers, including m2ts, which the OPPO can use for high def audio codecs. No video required.

You'll need a decrypted Blu-ray structure. With tsMuxerGUI open the BDMV/PLAYLIST/00000.mpls file. This automatically handles complicated BR structures, which you sometimes find.

Deselect all the tracks except the one you want and choose the Demux option to save it. Close the original, open the new track and mux it into an m2ts container.

-Bill

Thanks for the replies.

It is taking 2+ hours to rip to ISO on my current computer setup. I was hoping I could just rip the audio layer and save myself a bunch of time and hard drive space since I mostly just listen to the music part of these discs anyway.
post #1926 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Thanks for the replies.

It is taking 2+ hours to rip to ISO on my current computer setup. I was hoping I could just rip the audio layer and save myself a bunch of time and hard drive space since I mostly just listen to the music part of these discs anyway.

Doesn't AnyDVD HD present a decrypted view of a disc without copying the whole thing? I believe DVDFab has something similar but I don't use that mode.

-Bill
post #1927 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Doesn't AnyDVD HD present a decrypted view of a disc without copying the whole thing? I believe DVDFab has something similar but I don't use that mode.

-Bill

I'm using DVDFab and I don't see any option other than to save in a lossy format or a WAVE format. The Wave format saves at a sample rate higher than the Oppo can read. There is a .dts format too, which I noted before, but it looks complicated on how to get that into a format the Oppo can read based on rdgrimes' feedback earlier.

I may download the trial of AnyDVD and see what it offers.....

Thanks.
post #1928 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I'm using DVDFab and I don't see any option other than to save in a lossy format or a WAVE format. The Wave format saves at a sample rate higher than the Oppo can read. There is a .dts format too, which I noted before, but it looks complicated on how to get that into a format the Oppo can read based on rdgrimes' feedback earlier.

I may download the trial of AnyDVD and see what it offers.....

Thanks.

I was thinking of this: http://www.dvdfab.com/passkey-for-blu-ray.htm, although as I said I don't use it myself.

AnyDVD HD has something similar.

It mounts the BR disc and decrypts it on the fly so you can use other tools to extract the audio track, as I described above. You don't use the DVDFab audio extraction tool or copy the entire disc to your HD.

-Bill
post #1929 of 2522
As an example of what I am dealing with here.................I started the ISO rip of Talking Heads' "Stop Making Sense" concert bluray this morning. It is just now finished after 7 hours and 20 minutes.

It "stopped making sense" after 2 hours.
post #1930 of 2522
Twonky license issue

For those using Twonky, has anyone come across a problem with the new version (2.09) not accepting the license? During Setup it does, but running the program the first time (with Admin privileges) it complains that the license is already "in use" (?). It asks for one again; I put in the same one and it accepts it. But ... the server doesn't scan the drives, and when you try to stop/restart it, Twonky crashes.

I had v.2.03 installed on my old Vista machine and it streamed great to my OPPO 83. I upgraded to Win 7/64 and installed Twonky Manager (2.09) and am having all this trouble. Maybe it's something to do with Win 7, because I tried installing v.2.03 and I'm getting the same problem. I emailed someone in Twonky Support, but, judging by its forum activity, I'm not holding my breath.

EDIT: I found a workaround in some posts that were 2 years old, believe it or not: disable the Internet connection, then restart the server. It will accept the license. It holds when an Internet connection is re-established, but not necessarily when settings are changed that require a server restart, necessitating the workaround again (haven't tested a reboot yet). Meanwhile I haven't heard back from Twonky, no surprise.
post #1931 of 2522
I haven't bothered upgrading so no.
post #1932 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

So its working great for you then?

(Referring to Windows and TCP/IP)

Yes, in all respects except DLNA it is working very well for me. Everything else I've tried on Windows works great. The common theme seems to be that DLNA sucks, or has many rubbish or incomplete implementations.
post #1933 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Owen Smith View Post

(Referring to Windows and TCP/IP)
The common theme seems to be that DLNA sucks, or has many rubbish or incomplete implementations.

No argument here on that, with the caveat that DNLA in Windows software sucks more.
post #1934 of 2522
MediaMonkey has added media server capabilities via DLNA along with increased support of video file formats with the Version 4.0 release. I've used Twonky for the past year since I've had my Oppo 93. While I haven't had any major issues with Twonky, MediaMonkey's media server capabilities is intriguing.

One major benefit, especially if you're already using MediaMonkey as your media library is being able to use playlists created in MediaMonkey. I have a number of playlists that I've created for use on my i-phone, but this opens new possibilities to stream on the Oppo.

So far I've tested stereo and multichannel FLAC files, and only a few video files, but so far no problems encountered. Anyone else using MediaMonkey?
post #1935 of 2522
I'm using MediaMonkey, too, and just upgraded to Version 4.0. However, I'm having a terrible time trying to reconcile the .FLAC files I've downloaded from HD Tracks and ripped from CDs; the .WAV music I've ripped from CD's into Windows Media Player; .mp4 files downloaded from iTunes; and, then, capturing them all into TwonkyManager and, ultimately, getting everything to play through my Oppo BDP-95. In fact, I just enabled the "aggregate" function in Twonky, and now it's giving me duplicate PCM files that don't even play through the Oppo. Media servers and file sharing are simply the Achilles heel of my computer and AV capabilities.

Accordingly, if anyone is interested in earning a modest telephone consulting fee to walk me through those programs, activate the correct settings and thereby teach me how to do the things I want to do when it comes to correctly and easily accessing media files from my computer, please PM me. I'd also like to be able to use any of the programs I've downloaded to rip and burn DVD Audio and SACD content in lossless format. I'm sure some of the friendly and helpful people in this thread will chip in with helpful instructions if I ask, but I'm really at my wit's end and need some one-on-one tech' support.
post #1936 of 2522
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

I'd also like to be able to use any of the programs I've downloaded to rip and burn DVD Audio and SACD content in lossless format. I'm sure some of the friendly and helpful people in this thread will chip in with helpful instructions if I ask, but I'm really at my wit's end and need some one-on-one tech' support.

SACD is copy protected to cold war paranoia levels. The drive needs extra hardware in it to read some crypto data, this is encoded into the *width* of the tracks. I think this is called Pit Signal Processing or PSP. Regardless, only SACD capable drives can even read this data.

There are a bunch of guys online running custom firmware on jail broken old model PS3s (old enough to read SACDs) and extracting the DSD streams. But all they seem to want to do is burn them back onto DVD-Rs which play as SACDs. They'r preserving their physical media, which is fundamentally missing the point as far as I'm concenred.

You can buy commercial software to rip DVD Audios, or there is free stuff but it generallly only works if the discs aren't region coded (I have no idea how many DVD Audios are region coded).
post #1937 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Owen Smith View Post

SACD is copy protected to cold war paranoia levels. The drive needs extra hardware in it to read some crypto data, this is encoded into the *width* of the tracks.

Kinda' thought so, when it comes to SACD. I'll cross that off the above work order.
post #1938 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Owen Smith View Post

There are a bunch of guys online running custom firmware on jail broken old model PS3s (old enough to read SACDs) and extracting the DSD streams. But all they seem to want to do is burn them back onto DVD-Rs which play as SACDs. They'r preserving their physical media, which is fundamentally missing the point as far as I'm concenred.

There is software available to play SACD ISO's after they've been extracted. Foobar, with the SACD plug-in, works well. Or, you can convert the dsdff files to 24-bit/88.2 kHz PCM in flac format, using foobar or several other software programs, and stream them to the Oppo.
post #1939 of 2522
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

I'm using MediaMonkey, too, and just upgraded to Version 4.0. However, I'm having a terrible time trying to reconcile the .FLAC files I've downloaded from HD Tracks and ripped from CDs; the .WAV music I've ripped from CD's into Windows Media Player; .mp4 files downloaded from iTunes; and, then, capturing them all into TwonkyManager and, ultimately, getting everything to play through my Oppo BDP-95. In fact, I just enabled the "aggregate" function in Twonky, and now it's giving me duplicate PCM files that don't even play through the Oppo. Media servers and file sharing are simply the Achilles heel of my computer and AV capabilities.

Accordingly, if anyone is interested in earning a modest telephone consulting fee to walk me through those programs, activate the correct settings and thereby teach me how to do the things I want to do when it comes to correctly and easily accessing media files from my computer, please PM me. I'd also like to be able to use any of the programs I've downloaded to rip and burn DVD Audio and SACD content in lossless format. I'm sure some of the friendly and helpful people in this thread will chip in with helpful instructions if I ask, but I'm really at my wit's end and need some one-on-one tech' support.

Probably not what you're looking for, but the solution is simple and extremely versatile: forget DNLA and move into attached storage at the player. Reliable and bug-free. And, no time or hair lost trying to make it work.
post #1940 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

...forget DNLA and move into attached storage at the player.

Please elaborate -- are you referring to a device of some kind, or portable storage? And wouldn't such a device have to be loaded and configured?
post #1941 of 2522
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

Please elaborate -- are you referring to a device of some kind, or portable storage? And wouldn't such a device have to be loaded and configured?

Just connect a USB hard drive with all of your media files to one of the Oppo's USB ports. It reads FLAC, WAV, MP3...etc and blu ray ISO files right off the HDD.
It is hassle free. I gave up on the networking mess.
post #1942 of 2522
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Just connect a USB hard drive with all of your media files to one of the Oppo's USB ports. It reads FLAC, WAV, MP3...etc and blu ray ISO files right off the HDD.

But I'd first have to transfer each of the media files currently on my computer hard drive to this USB hard drive, wouldn't I? And how about future files (downloads, CDs, etc.) that I'd want to add to this USB hard drive? How would I do that?
post #1943 of 2522
The downside is you have to rely on the very primitive folder and navigation features of the Oppo. A good DLNA server gives you much more versatility to organize your files, create playlists, and navigate using multiple metadata fields.
post #1944 of 2522
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

But I'd first have to transfer each of the media files currently on my computer hard drive to this USB hard drive, wouldn't I? And how about future files (downloads, CDs, etc.) that I'd want to add to this USB hard drive? How would I do that?

You would basically duplicate what's on your pc's hard drive with another hard drive attached to the Oppo.

I use attached storage for playing ISO's. The attached drive to the Oppo becomes a back-up drive to my pc's hard drive.
post #1945 of 2522
Good point. Also...if you've got a USB hard drive connected to the Oppo, does it run off its own power, or that of the Oppo? And do you have to control it in any way after attaching to the Oppo, or would all controls be through the Oppo? Finally, with respect to duplicating files from the PC to the hard drive, that's pretty much the same thing and sending files to a thumb drive, right? And how about new files and downloads after initial set up? I'd have to carry the hard drive back up to the computer, right?
post #1946 of 2522
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

Good point. Also...if you've got a USB hard drive connected to the Oppo, does it run off its own power, or that of the Oppo? And do you have to control it in any way after attaching to the Oppo, or would all controls be through the Oppo? Finally, please see my prior question concerning initial and subsequent importation of files.

Both usb-powered and self-powered hard drives will work on the Oppo. Control is strictly through the Oppo.

You would copy your data from your pc to the USB drive. I use a synch program called Synchronize It, but there are a number of programs like it. Every few days, or more often if I've added a lot of new files, I'll unplug the hard drive attached to the Oppo and carry it over to my pc and re-synch the hard drives so they have duplicate folders/files.

Since I only do this for ISO's it's not a big hassle. I keep my audio FLAC's on a network drive and stream them to the Oppo since I prefer the advanced capabilities of a DLNA server. I also never need to lug a hard drive to the pc to synch those files which are constantly changing.

Another advantage of a DLNA server is if you want to stream to other rooms. I have several other rooms in my house I can stream my flac files to other devices which I couldn't do from a hard drive attached to the Oppo. Of course, you could set up a more advanced HTPC/media server setup, but for audio streaming, DLNA has worked well for me for years.
post #1947 of 2522
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

Good point. Also...if you've got a USB hard drive connected to the Oppo, does it run off its own power, or that of the Oppo? And do you have to control it in any way after attaching to the Oppo, or would all controls be through the Oppo? Finally, with respect to duplicating files from the PC to the hard drive, that's pretty much the same thing and sending files to a thumb drive, right? And how about new files and downloads after initial set up? I'd have to carry the hard drive back up to the computer, right?

Here's what many folks are using:
One of these.
Two of these, or something like it, one at player and one at PC.
Or you can use a simple portable HDD like this which is powered off the player/PC's USB port. That eliminates the need for the docks.
post #1948 of 2522
The attached USB drive powers up and down with the Oppo - You can keep a dongle attached to the back (or front) of the Oppo at all times and just plug/unplug the drive as needed.

I started out with the attached drive but as SCOLUMBO noted, the navigation is very primitive. I just recently went with a WD LIVE NAS that came with Twonky and it worked right from the go on my home hard-wired ethernet. You can create playlists and navigation is a little better with Twonky. I use the NAS for all my FLAC music files ripped from CD, DVD-A, SACD and also flac downloads from HDTracks.

I use the attached drive for ISOs of DVD and BluRay because that is the only way Oppo will play ISO.

Below are a few links on ripping DVD-A and SACD. My experience with DVD-A and SACD ripping is that DVD-A is pretty straightforward. SACD ripping at this point is strictly a time consuming DIYer venture due to the fact that you have to have a particular model PS3, with a particular firmware version installed and then you have to figure out how to use the recently released SACD ripper software. Once you rip the SACDs to ISO (SACD format) and/or DSD, you then have to get them into FLAC or WAVE format. It is all VERY time consuming. If you are good with computers and software programming, you shouldn't have any issues with any of it; However, for the average person, ripping SACD at this point is not something I would suggest. Ripping DVD-A is bad enough but there is at least some commercially available and stable user friendly software for this purpose. It too is fairly time consuming.

I just finished ripping about 200 SACD's and can tell you that if you are wanting the highest quality reproduction from your SACDs you should wait until some company offers a way to stream the DSD signal in native format rather than converting on the fly to PCM or using your computer to convert to PCM: The sound quality of the converted DSD to PCM is not as good as the DSD stream. It is better than CD but not as good as the original DSD. My opinion and others may disagree.

Ripping DVD-Audios: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1319813

Ripping SACDs: http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showth...highlight=sacd
http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/06/releas...-tool-for-ps3/
post #1949 of 2522
Good summary WillyJ, and I would agree with just about everything in your post. I do play SACD's converted to PCM flac files for the convenience, but I can't quibble with wanting to keep SACD's in the DSD domain.

I know there are people that prefer not to mess with DLNA, and if you have network issues, or are relying strictly on wireless, maybe it can be problematic. If you have a stable network, DLNA is so much more versatile for playing audio files. For instance, today I am streaming a playlist of my Christmas favorites consisting of my 5-star rated Christmas music from multiple artists in mp3, wav, stereo flac, and multichannel flac format spread across multiple folders. Try doing that from the Oppo interface.
post #1950 of 2522
How does the BDP-83 play BD ISO files if it only supports fat32? Isn't there a file size limit?

Edit: never mind. I see you are talking about BDP-95.
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