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post #2011 of 2522
I have a brand-new Oppo BDP-83, will it access a network drive to stream music files? as easy as the BDP-93 functions this way?
post #2012 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I have a brand-new Oppo BDP-83, will it access a network drive to stream music files? as easy as the BDP-93 functions this way?

Neither one can access network shares. You must have a DNLA server running to push files to the player via network.
post #2013 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Neither one can access network shares. You must have a DNLA server running to push files to the player via network.

I just set-up a new Denon AVR-2112CI receiver/Oppo BDP-93 theater system. I have everything connected to my network via direct connection to my router. I'm able to connect to a WD "MyBookLive" network drive and play (stream) WMA files successfully so far. Was just wondering if the BDP-83 functions equally this way?
post #2014 of 2522
okay, I got it. Everythng is there. I can now see added files on network drive via my Oppo BDP-93
post #2015 of 2522
I guess my questions have no answers?
post #2016 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

I guess my questions have no answers?

Maybe it's the way you've stated your questions. I'll start with your first set of questions. It's been my experience that there are some excellent DLNA products, most of which cost $30 or less. Free products tend to have restrictions. An exception is open-source software such as Foobar, but it is audio only. I think you can get a free version of MediaMonkey that has media server capabilities, but I don't know what the restrictions are of the free version versus the paid version regarding DLNA, or how it would stack up against TVersity, which I've used and discarded in favor of better, paid software.

PS3 Media Server is free but I think it would take some fine-tuning to work with your Oppo 80, especially if you intend to play different audio and video formats that may require transcoding with your player.

Second, "flawlessly" and DLNA rarely go together. Again, it's been my experience that some tweaking is usually necessary for optimal performance, but many will "work" out-of-the-box if that is your definition of flawless.

Is spending $20 for Twonky or one of the other popular media servers asking too much? I guess I'd like everything I use to be flawless yet free also.

I don't own an Oppo 80 so I can't address your issues regarding it's capabilities playing mkv files.
post #2017 of 2522
For Sitting Bull,

I use Serviio as my DLNA server with my Oppo 80. I convert video files to MPEG-2, and they play fine via DLNA. Don't know if there is a size limitation though.

av-n
post #2018 of 2522
Hi scolumbo and av-novice,

Thanks for the replies. Yes, this Oppo 80 has left me in a difficult position. MP4 files that used to play when converted to .mkv with MKV Toolnix no longer play for some strange reason. I often download HD Nation, an MP4 hi-def video file, and change it to .mkv but something has changed in the files somewhere and none of the new programs will play. I had hoped the 80 would truly be the universal player Oppo advertised it as but it is not.

A friend has a Patriot Box Office he will sell me for $60 and that thing really does play anything! I guess I'll have to go in that direction. But I'll try the Serviio program before giving up.
post #2019 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

I had hoped the 80 would truly be the universal player Oppo advertised it as but it is not.

"Universal Player" is an industry term that means all music disc formats are supported: CD, DVD-A, SACD.

If you could upload a small sample file somewhere we could take a look at it.

-Bill
post #2020 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

"Universal Player" is an industry term that means all music disc formats are supported: CD, DVD-A, SACD.

If you could upload a small sample file somewhere we could take a look at it.

-Bill

I'd love to but I don't have anywhere to upload it and I've never really done that before, so I'd need some step by step coaching and somewhere to put it.
post #2021 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

I'd love to but I don't have anywhere to upload it and I've never really done that before, so I'd need some step by step coaching and somewhere to put it.

Google "free upload" and you'll find various sites. They should all have online help.

-Bill
post #2022 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Google "free upload" and you'll find various sites. They should all have online help.

-Bill

OK, I've just tried both Serviio and Twonky. Neither works properly at all and neither would even play my .mkv files or transcode them. Serviio required the creation of some extra xml files for transcoding, which is well beyond my (and most other user's) expertise while the Twonky was supposedly a fully functional trial version!

Oppo assured me that MP4 video files converted over to .mkv would work fine, which they did (more or less) until the last year or so. Since then it is a crap shoot. Why the Oppo won't just PLAY mp4 video files is beyond me--they are about the MOST COMMON video files out there! I guess it is a function of the chip they chose, which won't do it. BAD design decision by Oppo--shame on you for calling this a universal A/V player!!!

The Patriot Box Office is looking better all the time. It actually works and plays EVERYTHING!

I don't enjoy criticizing Oppo like this, as it is a very good Blu-ray, SACD and DVD-A player, and streams mp3 files fairly well, albeit rather hesitantly. But this thing is pure misery for video files and requires FAR TOO MUCH user intervention and computer manipulation!

Bill, please go here and download the HD 720P version of the broadcast. It is not very big. Then convert it to mkv with MKV Toolnix and see what you can do with it. They just won't work for me any longer.

http://revision3.com/hdnation/wireless-hdmi

A belated but sincere thanks to everyone for their help!
post #2023 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

OK, I've just tried both Serviio and Twonky. Neither works properly at all and neither would even play my .mkv files or transcode them. Serviio required the creation of some extra xml files for transcoding, which is well beyond my (and most other user's) expertise.

Oppo assured me that MP4 video files converted over to .mkv would work fine, which they did (more or less) until the last year or so. Since then it is a crap shoot. Why the Oppo won't just PLAY mp4 video files is beyond me--they are about the MOST COMMON video files out there! I guess it is a function of the chip they chose, which won't do it. BAD design decision by Oppo--shame on you for calling this a universal A/V player!!!

The Patriot Box Office is looking better all the time. It actually works and plays EVERYTHING!

I don't enjoy criticizing Oppo like this, as it is a very good Blu-ray, SACD and DVD-A player, and streams mp3 files fairly well, albeit rather hesitantly. But this thing is pure misery for video files and requires FAR TOO MUCH user intervention and computer manipulation!

Are you asking us to help you? If so, you have to cooperate in the diagnostic process.

-Bill
post #2024 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Are you asking us to help you? If so, you have to cooperate in the diagnostic process.

-Bill

I honestly don't know what more I can do. I am not an expert in these things. If downloading the file and converting it to mkv is going to be a long involved process for both of us to resolve then frankly I'd rather just forgo the misery.
post #2025 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

I honestly don't know what more I can do. I am not an expert in these things. If downloading the file and converting it to mkv is going to be a long involved process for both of us to resolve then frankly I'd rather just forgo the misery.

Via DNLA, the Oppo has very little to do with what plays and what doesn't. Your issue is likely in the server software. But without knowing what codecs you have used for video and audio, there's not much anyone can offer.

If the files work from a USB drive, that tells you a lot. If they don't , then the issue is with the files themselves.
post #2026 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Via DNLA, the Oppo has very little to do with what plays and what doesn't. Your issue is likely in the server software. But without knowing what codecs you have used for video and audio, there's not much anyone can offer.

If the files work from a USB drive, that tells you a lot. If they don't , then the issue is with the files themselves.

The files don't work either way. When I try to play them they just spin up to 25% or even 100% but then do nothing--except lock up the player. I have to shut off the Oppo to get it to work again but it plays almost nothing, except for some .mpg files and the odd .mkv file.

For codecs I have the K-Lite Mega Pack, both 32 bit and 64 bit installed on my Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit machine. But I had exactly the same problems when I had Win 7 Home Premium 32 bit installed.
post #2027 of 2522
Anyone know a way to get DVD-Audios that I have ripped to play in the correct order using the default Twonky file menu structure? For example, rips of certain albums need to be played in the order they were originally recorded on the abum (Love, Pink Floyd, etc.) but I have to create a separate playlist for them to get them to do so. I confirmed I have the MP3 tags listed correctly (Track 01, 02, etc..) so I am at a loss as to why it wants to play them out of order. What am I missing .....
post #2028 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Anyone know a way to get DVD-Audios that I have ripped to play in the correct order using the default Twonky file menu structure? For example, rips of certain albums need to be played in the order they were originally recorded on the abum (Love, Pink Floyd, etc.) but I have to create a separate playlist for them to get them to do so. I confirmed I have the MP3 tags listed correctly (Track 01, 02, etc..) so I am at a loss as to why it wants to play them out of order. What am I missing .....

I recommend naming the audio files:

01.NameOfTrack1
02.NameOfTrack2
03.NameOfTrack3
.
.
.

I even do that on my PC when I rip audio CDs as having the alphabetical file name listings in track order is just too convenient.

There are tools out there that will automatically rename all your files based on the embedded tags. I know foobar2000 will do it but there are also smaller simpler tools that a Google search should find pretty easily.

- LoopinFool
post #2029 of 2522
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Originally Posted by dizziness View Post

[/size]*Can this player stream digital media from network sources?
Yes, as of official firmware released January 5th, 2010. This feature is currently experimental This feature can be accessed from the "My Network" icon in the "Home Menu" screen. It requires a DLNA-capable media server running on your computer. The supported media types are the common set of what the player can decode and what the media server can stream.

*What formats are supported?
Different formats are available for media streaming than playback from USB devices. They currently are:
  • jpg
  • mkv
  • mp3
  • mpg
  • png
  • vob

I've been asking many questions on BDP-83 Owners Thread, just realized there was a dedicated "network streaming" thread here.

Anyway, I'm sure this has been asked many times here: will the BDP-83 read WMA file formats? I'm using a brand-new in-box BDP-83 (maybe 1.5 years old) unit, I'm hoping to connect to etherNET, upgrade firmware, and stream music files from a WD "My Book Live" DLNA drive. Should be cool huh?

Appreciate your response.


Dave
post #2030 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

"Universal Player" is an industry term that means all music disc formats are supported: CD, DVD-A, SACD.

-Bill

Hi Bill,

Not looking to make some giant issue out of this but Oppo states precisely this on their website about the BDP-80:

"The BDP-80 is a full-featured universal Blu-ray Disc™ player that supports BD Profile 2.0 (BD-Live and BonusView), DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD (SACD), HDCD, CD and other popular media formats such as AVCHD, MKV video files, digital photos and music. Sharing the same decoder and similarly optimized firmware as OPPO’s award-winning BDP-83, the BDP-80 features fast disc load times, quick response to user operations, and robust audio and video controls. In contrast to the BDP-83, which utilizes an onboard VRS by Anchor Bay video processor, the BDP-80 design has been optimized for use as a digital audio/video transport, emphasizing the accuracy of its digital audio/video outputs. At the same time, the BDP-80 is versatile enough to be used as a stand-alone universal Blu-ray player, thanks to its full array of output connections and audio/video decoding capabilities.

So Oppo is the one who have advertised and sold both the BDP-80 and 83 as universal A/V players. It is not something I made up.

Do you have these same problems with your BDP-83?
post #2031 of 2522
Oppo is even advertising the top of the line BDP-95 in a similar fashion:

"Additional Disc & Media Formats - Additional disc and file formats, such as DVD, audio CD, HDCD, Kodak Picture CD, AVCHD, MP4, DivX, DivX Plus HD, MKV, FLAC, WAV and other audio/video/picture files on recorded discs, USB or eSATA drives can be played back on the BDP-95."

I am left to wonder how true this actually is!

Is anyone out there with the BDP-95 experiencing these same major screw-ups with their players?
post #2032 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

Hi Bill,

Not looking to make some giant issue out of this but Oppo states precisely this on their website about the BDP-80:

Are you asking for us to help you with something? We're here to help but you have to participate in diagnostic procedures. Uploading one of your problem files would be a good first step.

If you've got issues with OPPO's advertising or business practices you need to take it up with them directly, or maybe with the dealer where you bought the player. There is nothing we can do about it here. We do technical topics only.

Again, "Universal Player" is an old term that means "supports all music disc formats". That means CD, DVD-A and SACD.

The BDP-80 does support MKV containers, but not necessarily every codec or variation that can be in the container. If you give us details of your file or just upload a sample we could look at it.

Keep it technical here, please.

-Bill
post #2033 of 2522
I gave you the link to the file. Once you download it just change it to .mkv using MKV Toolnix. It only takes about 15 seconds. Then put it on your USB thumb-drive and see if it works in your BDP-80, or even your 83.

It won't work in mine, though all the previous episodes did until about a year ago.

I have come across a large number of other files that don't work anymore either but the HD Nation file is the perfect example.
post #2034 of 2522
I guess this needs to be mentioned every so often. MKV is just a container. No media player will play every file just because its an MKV. Inside there are a video codec and an audio codec, and the player must support both. Add to that the fact that many codecs have various encoding parameters that may or may not effect compatibility with a given player.

This FAQ list and information is relevant to the BDP-80:
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-8...ml#media-files
post #2035 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This FAQ list and information is relevant to the BDP-80

thanks for posting this FAQ listing, this is exactly what I've been looking for, could'nt seem to find it.

Now I know the BDP-83 should support WMA files. Now I'm hoping my BDP-83 will stream these files from a WD MyBookLive DLNA drive?
post #2036 of 2522
RE: SittingBull

I downloaded the questioned HD Nation material, both HD and large versions.

The MP4 file contained a mpeg4 AVC stream, and a AAC audio stream.

I repacked the streams into a MKV container using MKVmerge GUI 4.1.1 . I use this version because it was created just prior to the 'Header Compression' controversy that broke compatibility with some hardware.

Using a Oppo BDP-80, I played the MKVs versions just fine. Utilized a USB drive, played fine. Using Serviio DLNA, files played fine.

Suspect: Header compression is causing compatibility issue.
post #2037 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

Hi Bill,

Not looking to make some giant issue out of this but Oppo states precisely this on their website about the BDP-80:

"The BDP-80 is a full-featured universal Blu-ray Disc™ player that supports BD Profile 2.0 (BD-Live and BonusView), DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD (SACD), HDCD, CD and other popular media formats such as AVCHD, MKV video files, digital photos and music. Sharing the same decoder and similarly optimized firmware as OPPO’s award-winning BDP-83, the BDP-80 features fast disc load times, quick response to user operations, and robust audio and video controls. In contrast to the BDP-83, which utilizes an onboard VRS by Anchor Bay video processor, the BDP-80 design has been optimized for use as a digital audio/video transport, emphasizing the accuracy of its digital audio/video outputs. At the same time, the BDP-80 is versatile enough to be used as a stand-alone universal Blu-ray player, thanks to its full array of output connections and audio/video decoding capabilities.

So Oppo is the one who have advertised and sold both the BDP-80 and 83 as universal A/V players. It is not something I made up.

Do you have these same problems with your BDP-83?

Nevertheless, they are "universal players," as the term is commonly understood, even though they won't play HD DVDs. So sue already.
post #2038 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

. . . will the BDP-83 read WMA file formats?

I've never tried it, but supposedly it will: http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-8...ml#media-files. (This is from Bill McClain's Unofficial FAQ, a terrific resource.)
post #2039 of 2522
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Originally Posted by sneeky View Post

RE: SittingBull

I downloaded the questioned HD Nation material, both HD and large versions.

The MP4 file contained a mpeg4 AVC stream, and a AAC audio stream.

I repacked the streams into a MKV container using MKVmerge GUI 4.1.1 . I use this version because it was created just prior to the 'Header Compression' controversy that broke compatibility with some hardware.

Using a Oppo BDP-80, I played the MKVs versions just fine. Utilized a USB drive, played fine. Using Serviio DLNA, files played fine.

Suspect: Header compression is causing compatibility issue.

Thanks sneeky!

I have MKVmerge 5.3.0, so that may be the problem. I'll see if I can track down the one you mentioned and see if it works for me.

By the way, what is the "header compression" problem? I realise that .mkv is a container but I am working strictly from what Oppo support told me, and that was that using MKV Toolnix to convert .mp4 video files would make them compatible with the Oppo 80. How many people know a lot beyond what Oppo tells them?
post #2040 of 2522
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Originally Posted by sneeky View Post

RE: SittingBull

I downloaded the questioned HD Nation material, both HD and large versions.

The MP4 file contained a mpeg4 AVC stream, and a AAC audio stream.

I repacked the streams into a MKV container using MKVmerge GUI 4.1.1 . I use this version because it was created just prior to the 'Header Compression' controversy that broke compatibility with some hardware.

Using a Oppo BDP-80, I played the MKVs versions just fine. Utilized a USB drive, played fine. Using Serviio DLNA, files played fine.

Suspect: Header compression is causing compatibility issue.

Thanks for the tip on the version being a potential source of issues. I have had trouble with MKV files created with Handbrake working on my BDP-83 so switched to the latest version of MKVmerge but I have been having mixed and unpredictable results there. I will try the old version to see if that resolves things.

Old version available here:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVtoolnix/old-versions
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