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post #2041 of 2522
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Originally Posted by LoopinFool View Post

I recommend naming the audio files:

01.NameOfTrack1
02.NameOfTrack2
03.NameOfTrack3
.
.
.

I even do that on my PC when I rip audio CDs as having the alphabetical file name listings in track order is just too convenient.

There are tools out there that will automatically rename all your files based on the embedded tags. I know foobar2000 will do it but there are also smaller simpler tools that a Google search should find pretty easily.

- LoopinFool

I do have them sorted with the track number as part of the filename - not in the specific format you note but the track number is the first part of my filename. For example: 01 - Speak To Me.flac, 02 - Breathe.flac, etc..

It 'seems' to play them in the right order if I play them from some of my playlists that I created in foobar but for some reason, when playing from the twonky "Folders" folder, it plays them out of order. I'll play with it some more and figure out what it is doing. Probably not posting this in the right thread but it is an Oppo 93 and I couldn't find a Twonky dedicated thread here. I guess I could look on the Twonky website........
post #2042 of 2522
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I do have them sorted with the track number as part of the filename - not in the specific format you note but the track number is the first part of my filename. For example: 01 - Speak To Me.flac, 02 - Breathe.flac, etc..

It 'seems' to play them in the right order if I play them from some of my playlists that I created in foobar but for some reason, when playing from the twonky "Folders" folder, it plays them out of order. I'll play with it some more and figure out what it is doing. Probably not posting this in the right thread but it is an Oppo 93 and I couldn't find a Twonky dedicated thread here. I guess I could look on the Twonky website........

I need to find an old post that addressed this, but there is a change I made to Twonky long ago that fixed the same problem for me. It affects playing from the By Folder option.

edit: I found it. It's from the Twonky forum: http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic...&t=8316#p30809

Once I made this change, my tracks played correctly by track number using the By Folder view. You would think Twonky would have fixed this by now, but I don't think I'm running the latest version.
post #2043 of 2522
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I need to find an old post that addressed this, but there is a change I made to Twonky long ago that fixed the same problem for me. It affects playing from the By Folder option.

edit: I found it. It's from the Twonky forum: http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic...&t=8316#p30809

Once I made this change, my tracks played correctly by track number using the By Folder view. You would think Twonky would have fixed this by now, but I don't think I'm running the latest version.

I wasn't going crazy after all - Thanks very much.

I can now play the "Floyd" in the order they were meant to be played - hurray.

Again, many thanks.
post #2044 of 2522
I made a new .mkv encode using HandBrake 0.9.6. I configured all the usual settings (I especially paid attention to the film/video setting) and when I attempted to play the file, the Oppo locked up.

Perhaps something to do with the updated libx264?
post #2045 of 2522
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

I made a new .mkv encode using HandBrake 0.9.6. I configured all the usual settings (I especially paid attention to the film/video setting) and when I attempted to play the file, the Oppo locked up.

Perhaps something to do with the updated libx264?

I'm still on 0.9.5 but will check for updates on my system today.

It might be handy to do mkvinfo on before and after update files to see if there are any header or attributes changes.

Is this on the BDP-93?

If you can get it to fail reliably you should write this up for OPPO and offer a sample file.

-Bill
post #2046 of 2522
This is on my BDP-83. I take it "mkvinfo" is a computer program? I'll do a search.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I'm still on 0.9.5 but will check for updates on my system today.

It might be handy to do mkvinfo on before and after update files to see if there are any header or attributes changes.

Is this on the BDP-93?

If you can get it to fail reliably you should write this up for OPPO and offer a sample file.

-Bill
post #2047 of 2522
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

This is on my BDP-83. I take it "mkvinfo" is a computer program? I'll do a search.

Thanks.

Right, it's part of the package that includes mkvmerge. There is a link in the BDP-93 FAQ.

Maybe Handbrake has added the same sort of header compression as described here: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...-side-effects/ I believe that has caused trouble for others.

-Bill
post #2048 of 2522
Did you encode w/ constant frame rate, during a hb version update the default setting went from constant to variable frame rate encode so you may have inadvertantly encoded w/ "same as source" setting or "variable frame rate" instead of cfr. 83 will not handle vfr i believe. Check if that is it
post #2049 of 2522
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Originally Posted by sneeky View Post

RE: SittingBull

I downloaded the questioned HD Nation material, both HD and large versions.

The MP4 file contained a mpeg4 AVC stream, and a AAC audio stream.

I repacked the streams into a MKV container using MKVmerge GUI 4.1.1 . I use this version because it was created just prior to the 'Header Compression' controversy that broke compatibility with some hardware.

Using a Oppo BDP-80, I played the MKVs versions just fine. Utilized a USB drive, played fine. Using Serviio DLNA, files played fine.

Suspect: Header compression is causing compatibility issue.

sneeky,

I tried your suggestion but got no joy from using MKVmerge 4.1.1, it just won't work and the resulting file locks up my BDP-80. I am also using the latest firmware for the BDP-80.

So, I went back to version 4.0.0 of MKVmerge and presto! It works like a charm now!

Thus the problem is that the "header compression" feature was also already in version 4.1.1 and you must go back to at least version 4.1.0 in order to circumvent it, or disable it under the Extra Options tab each and every time you mux a file. I say phooey on that and just went back to version 4.0.0.

A BIG thank you to all the folks who helped me solve this problem.
post #2050 of 2522
I was beginning to suspect this myself as I do not recall seeing VFR enabled before. I will try a new encode with CFR.

Thanks.



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Originally Posted by victor.cdn View Post

Did you encode w/ constant frame rate, during a hb version update the default setting went from constant to variable frame rate encode so you may have inadvertantly encoded w/ "same as source" setting or "variable frame rate" instead of cfr. 83 will not handle vfr i believe. Check if that is it
post #2051 of 2522
The Oppo is fully capable of playing VFR files. The issues with Handbrake began with version 0.9.5 due to changes in the headers (flags). Later revisions of the Oppo firmware fixed that issue by simply ignoring that flag. If something has changed yet again with HB 0.9.6, then Oppo should be notified along with a sample file so they can at least find the cause.

The relevant selection in HB was the "same as source" option, which enabled VFR by default. Can't say what may have changed in the newest version since I stopped using Handbrake. I can tell you that version 0.9.4 will create compatible files with that setting enabled.
post #2052 of 2522
rdgrimes, so is this correct:

hb 0.9.4 w/ "same as source" ouputs vfr (assuming source is vfr) but hb set flag as cfr (incorrectly, I think I read this somewhere), as such, oppo w/ pre-fix fw played file fine.

hb -> 0.9.5 w/ "same as source" ouputs vfr (assuming source is vfr) but hb sets flag as vfr (correctly), but oppo w/ pre-fix fw DOES NOT play file, due to problem interpreting flag but not due inherently to vfr output itself?

oppo -> update/fix fw - oppo ignores flag altogther and plays vfr output file fine.

If above is correct it implies I guess that jdryyz is running pre-fix oppo fw (or as you say something else changed)

thanks
post #2053 of 2522
^^
That sound about right, but its been a year or more so my memory is suspect. I do know that MTK fixed that issue for Oppo at the time. HB 0.9.5 broke VFR playback for all MTK based players, not just Oppo.
post #2054 of 2522
RD - What are you now using instead of handbrake for encodes if I might ask?
post #2055 of 2522
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Originally Posted by victor.cdn View Post

RD - What are you now using instead of handbrake for encodes if I might ask?

I gave up on re-encoding completely, so - nothing.
post #2056 of 2522
Changing to the Constant Framerate setting fixed playback for me.

I am purposely using an older firmware, by the way, but not too old. Just back to before the 16 x 9 Wide / Auto problem cropped up.
post #2057 of 2522
I did 2 test hb encodes and playback with latest official oppo f/w (BDP83-58-1215):

vfr source -> hb 0.9.5 w/ cfr -> plays fine on bdp83
vfr source -> hb 0.9.5 w/ 'same as source' -> locks up on bdp83

So it seems hb w/ vfr was not resolved on bdp83 w/ a firmware fix, I think RD got it mixed up w/ the bdp93 (as it was some time back) which had it fixed.

thanks
post #2058 of 2522
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Originally Posted by victor.cdn View Post

I think RD got it mixed up w/ the bdp93 (as it was some time back) which had it fixed.

thanks

Wouldn't be the first or last time I got confused. Maybe check with Oppo support, they are familiar with the issue.
post #2059 of 2522
I got curious and made a couple test files using HB 0.9.6. This release has radio buttons for selecting either CFR or VFR using the "same as source" setting. I made identical files using both buttons.

CFR plays in both the 83 and 93
VFR plays only in the 93.

This is using the latest public beta FW in both players.
post #2060 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I got curious and made a couple test files using HB 0.9.6. This release has radio buttons for selecting either CFR or VFR using the "same as source" setting. I made identical files using both buttons.

CFR plays in both the 83 and 93
VFR plays only in the 93.

This is using the latest public beta FW in both players.

Thanks - that has resolved the issue with 83
post #2061 of 2522
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I gave up on re-encoding completely, so - nothing.

Is it possible for Oppo to do a firmware upgrade that will allow us to use USB thumbdrives formatted in NTFS?

I would like this so I can play files larger than 4 gigs from the thumbdrive.
post #2062 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

Is it possible for Oppo to do a firmware upgrade that will allow us to use USB thumbdrives formatted in NTFS?

I would like this so I can play files larger than 4 gigs from the thumbdrive.

That works now. I use it all the time.

-Bill
post #2063 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

That works now. I use it all the time.

-Bill

For the BDP-93, I mean. You won't see NTFS on the older players.

-Bill
post #2064 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

For the BDP-93, I mean. You won't see NTFS on the older players.

-Bill

Why not? Can't a firmware update enable it?
post #2065 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

Why not? Can't a firmware update enable it?

Yes, in that it is a Small Matter of Programming. No, in that this programming comes from Mediatek and it is unlikely they will add something major like that to an older chip set.

-Bill
post #2066 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Yes, in that it is a Small Matter of Programming. No, in that this programming comes from Mediatek and it is unlikely they will add something major like that to an older chip set.

-Bill

Can you put in a request for NTFS support for us?
post #2067 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Sitting Bull View Post

Can you put in a request for NTFS support for us?

It never hurts to make OPPO aware of your needs, but it means nothing special coming from me. You should do it yourself.

But I think the chance of NTFS appearing on the BDP-83 is close to zero. Upgrading to the BDP-93 would be the easiest route.

-Bill
post #2068 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

But I think the chance of NTFS appearing on the BDP-83 is close to zero. Upgrading to the BDP-93 would be the easiest route.

-Bill

Depending on the equipment available, ethernet might be an easier--and cheaper--solution. (Gee, never thought I'd recommend DLNA!)
post #2069 of 2522
I have been using a BDP-83 and TVersity to stream mkv files from my computer without a problem until I tried streaming those same files to a BDP-80. On the 80 they start loading then freeze at 100%, never start playing. Need to power off the player to recover.

Do I need a second/separate profile entry for the 80? Using this portion for the 83:


Oppo BDP-83 Disc Player
Oppo Digital Inc
OPPO PLAYER






That's with TVersity v.1.9.3, haven't tried 1.9.7 yet.

Again, the mkv's play fine on the 83 but freeze at 100% loading on the 80.

Thanks!
post #2070 of 2522
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Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post

I have been using a BDP-83 and TVersity to stream mkv files from my computer without a problem until I tried streaming those same files to a BDP-80. On the 80 they start loading then freeze at 100%, never start playing. Need to power off the player to recover.

Do I need a second/separate profile entry for the 80? Using this portion for the 83:


Oppo BDP-83 Disc Player
Oppo Digital Inc
OPPO PLAYER






That's with TVersity v.1.9.3, haven't tried 1.9.7 yet.

Again, the mkv's play fine on the 83 but freeze at 100% loading on the 80.

Thanks!

Make sure both players have up to date firmware. The difference might be in the way they are being identified to the server, one is getting a default profile while the other is getting an Oppo profile.
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