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post #2101 of 2522
Oh... I forgot to mention that I only build PMS/UMS for Windows. I don't run it the program on any of my Mac's so I've never taken the time to learn how to compile PMS/UMS for Linux, Mac, etc. redface.gif
post #2102 of 2522
Does this actually transcode the formats the 83 wont currently play via DLNA? if not there's no point switching from twonky imo (which I paid for).
post #2103 of 2522
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

Does this actually transcode the formats the 83 wont currently play via DLNA? if not there's no point switching from twonky imo (which I paid for).

Yes, UMS will transcode the files the 83 cannot natively play. That's the reason why I am asking for folks to test.

There are no official config files for the 83 and 93. Everyone familiar with PMS just kinda configs it themselves. I am trying to get everyone to provide me with all their tweaks/optimizations so I can aggregate them into official config files that get installed with UMS.
post #2104 of 2522
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

Yes, UMS will transcode the files the 83 cannot natively play. That's the reason why I am asking for folks to test.
There are no official config files for the 83 and 93. Everyone familiar with PMS just kinda configs it themselves. I am trying to get everyone to provide me with all their tweaks/optimizations so I can aggregate them into official config files that get installed with UMS.

Been a while since I used PMS (or UMS) but just wanted to chime in and thank you for doing this, counsil. It'd be fantastic for 83/93/95 users if this worked "out of the box".
post #2105 of 2522
Well the config files are now part of an official build of UMS (v1.1.0). cool.gif Please let me know (via posting in this thread, as well as, PM'ing me) any tweaks/changes/optimizations that may need to made after you guys get around to testing it.

http://www.universalmediaserver.com/
post #2106 of 2522
Neither my Panasonic BD player or BD-83 can see it but both can still see twonky?

I installed it on my WHS2011 Server, configured it and then set it to run as a service with the correct permissions for my server (admin rights) but no joy.
post #2107 of 2522
I tested it briefly with my BDP-93 with various file types & it seems to function the same as PMS. Some mp4 files did not play, but is was the same with PMS.
I haven't really used DLNA much, though, since I started just attaching my portable drive to the player. (those mp4 files do play from an attached drive) So, I don't know if anything can be tweaked or not.

However, UMS sees my Denon AVR 3311 as Streamium, and froze when I tested a picture. It works with PMS, however.
post #2108 of 2522
Yeah, Denons show up as Streamium because Denon AVR's don't provide any information to DLNA servers as to what type of device they are. frown.gif Therefore, UMS auto selects Streamium.

If you guys are having problems with UMS not playing certain content (or pictures for that matter) go to the forums for UMS and provide debug logs to the developers. They are really good at fixing issues because debugging is always turned on so you just have to provide the developers with the debug.log file that gets produced.

I encourage everyone to do this. That way UMS will work out of the box for newer folks. I know some folks around here have tweaked their PMS config files to optimize PMS for their Denon AVR. Please provide all those tweaks to the UMS developers.

http://www.universalmediaserver.com/forum/
post #2109 of 2522
Hi guys, I'm the lead developer of UMS and just wanted to say counsil is right that we will definitely provide support on our forums to improve the device compatibility smile.gif And thanks counsil for the help smile.gif
post #2110 of 2522
Using the latest version of UMS, my BDP-83 is detected as a BDP-93. After a brief check, MKV streaming is working ok (exception of high bitrate videos, more below). However, based on a peek at the configs, it looks like this could cause some unintended streaming and transcoding behavior.

On a similar note, I searched the thread and found a couple of users had issues streaming higher bitrate videos, but no solution. Any suggestions on the following would be appreciated:

I recently upgraded to a buffalo wireless AC router/bridge and
  • get ~250 Mb/s sustained transfers from my desktop PC (gigabit to router) to clients on my wireless bridge (i.e., gigabit to laptop). I assume network bandwidth is not an issue.
  • I can successfully play a 40 Mb/s MKV stored on my PC through the bridge hardwired to my laptop.
  • I can successfully play the same file on a USB drive directly connected to the 83.
  • I can't stream the file from my PC to the 83 via the bridge - it starts, stutters, stops, and then plays the next file in the folder.

Monitoring the network on my PC, it looks like it tops at ~25-30 Mb/s while trying to stream to the 83, though I get 10x that bandwidth on transfers to gigabit clients. Similar results with UMS and oShare. Unfortunately I don’t have another client to test MKV streaming… thoughts?
post #2111 of 2522
That's interesting that UMS detected your BDP-83 as a BDP-93. I used the default configuration file from the first post of this thread. If that is not the correct configuration that should be used for UMS for the 83, then do you happen to have (or could point us to) a newer one?
post #2112 of 2522
Before uninstalling PMS and moving to UMS, I had been using the BDP-83 config from SapoMalo here:
http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=13289

It includes the same line as the UMS BDP-93 config file:
Code:
UserAgentSearch=OPPO PLAYER
SapoMalo comments in the post, “the USERAGENT string, OPPO PLAYER is used since the latest 2 firmwares, if i am not wrong, (this has changed also for having a different string from the OPPO 93 or 95 on a dlna), so your firmware should also be one of the latest”

If that’s not the issue, I did notice the BDP-83 config in UMS does not break by row when viewed in Notepad, while the BDP-93 config does.
post #2113 of 2522
post #2114 of 2522
My oppo wont recognize certain folders and mkv files that another networked computer recognizes. What am I doing wrong?
post #2115 of 2522
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Originally Posted by gchuva View Post

My oppo wont recognize certain folders and mkv files that another networked computer recognizes. What am I doing wrong?

What DLNA server are you using?

If you copy the problem folders and files to locally attached storage, say a USB stick or hard drive, does the player see them?

-Bill
post #2116 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

What DLNA server are you using?
If you copy the problem folders and files to locally attached storage, say a USB stick or hard drive, does the player see them?
-Bill

Windows 7 computer and I just click share. Yes, if I copy file to USB oppo can read
post #2117 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

What DLNA server are you using?
If you copy the problem folders and files to locally attached storage, say a USB stick or hard drive, does the player see them?
-Bill

Windows 7 computer and I just click share. Yes, if I copy file to USB oppo can read

People say the built-in Windows Media Player is difficult to operate and diagnose. Try a different server: the FAQ linked in my signature and the first post in this thread have several listed.

-Bill
post #2118 of 2522
Closing the loop on my posts above, I contacted OPPO support and they suggest there's a hardware limitation that cannot be addressed via firmware. Add one to the "OPPO Support Rocks" column - multiple emails and questions addressed within one hour.

OPPO response:
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You are likely hitting a limitation of the Ethernet hardware in the player. The player was not initially designed with any streaming capabilities in mind other than for BD-LIVE, so the Ethernet interface was not designed for high, consistent bandwidth. This is a hardware limitation that we will not be able to address through a future firmware release.
And after following up to confirm max bandwith:
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Our current players do not have any known network limitations as they were designed from the beginning to support DLNA DMP with a high bitrate.

Unfortunately with the BDP-83 we have not done testing to determine what the maximum sustained bitrate is, but it is likely around 22Mbps.
post #2119 of 2522
Hi guys, just found this thread. I recently purchased an Oppo 93 and am keen to get it playing MKV files (uncompressed ripped, owned DVD) so I can put all the disks in storage and clean up my living room. I am Mac based and have never used DNLA before (simply played disks). Some basic questions:

- am I right in understanding that I have to go the NAS route due to the file sizes that these will be (around 6-8GB)? ie USB attached drive won't work?
- what's the best DNLA server available for the Mac / Oppo combination? UMS? What's the interface like - I was impressed when I dabbled with XBMC as to how it captured cover artwork etc
- do I have to play MKV files or can I simply play the ISOs for full DVD functionality? (I thought the former but I note the comment above "UMS will transcode the files the 83 cannot natively play"). If both, what's more efficient - my focus is on obtaining the full (albeit limited SD) quality of the original disk rather than extra features etc.

Thanks in advance for the help

Steve
Edited by stevekale - 6/20/12 at 12:41am
post #2120 of 2522
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- am I right in understanding that I have to go the NAS route due to the file sizes that these will be (around 6-8GB)? ie USB attached drive won't work?

You can use large files on locally attached drives if they have the NTFS file system. See the FAQ for more on large drive partitioning: What partition tables are supported on attached hard drives?
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do I have to play MKV files or can I simply play the ISOs for full DVD functionality?

No ISO or DVD VIDEO_TS support over DLNA (or on local storage).

-Bill
post #2121 of 2522
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

- what's the best DNLA server available for the Mac / Oppo combination? UMS?

UMS works great (especially for the PS3), but I prefer Twonky for my BDP-93.
post #2122 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You can use large files on locally attached drives if they have the NTFS file system. See the FAQ for more on large drive partitioning: What partition tables are supported on attached hard drives?
No ISO or DVD VIDEO_TS support over DLNA (or on local storage).
-Bill

Ok thanks. So which is best, local or NAS with DLNA? I don't envisage needing to send the files anywhere else but the Oppo. I guess a user browser experience like XBMC isn't going to happen? I use a Mac - I'm not sure an NTFS formatted drive works well with a Mac.
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

UMS works great (especially for the PS3), but I prefer Twonky for my BDP-93.

I will take a look at Twonky - even of the name is disconcerting....!

Thx
Edited by stevekale - 6/20/12 at 10:20am
post #2123 of 2522
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You can use large files on locally attached drives if they have the NTFS file system. See the FAQ for more on large drive partitioning: What partition tables are supported on attached hard drives?
No ISO or DVD VIDEO_TS support over DLNA (or on local storage).
-Bill

Ok thanks. So which is best, local or NAS with DLNA? I don't envisage needing to send the files anywhere else but the Oppo. I guess a user browser experience like XBMC isn't going to happen? I use a Mac - I'm not sure an NTFS formatted drive works well with a Mac.
Quote:
Originally Posted by counsil View Post

UMS works great (especially for the PS3), but I prefer Twonky for my BDP-93.

I will take a look at Twonky - even of the name is disconcerting....!

Thx

All things being equal, I'd go with attached HDDs rather than dealing with the quirks involved with DNLA. The player currently supports BDMV folders, which are not supported via DNLA.
post #2124 of 2522
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

Ok thanks. So which is best, local or NAS with DLNA? I don't envisage needing to send the files anywhere else but the Oppo. I guess a user browser experience like XBMC isn't going to happen? I use a Mac - I'm not sure an NTFS formatted drive works well with a Mac.

You need to try it both ways. You can put some files on a small USB device and test it locally. The user interface is the same on both, and very basic. No, it's unlikely you'll see anything better from OPPO.

I test DLNA but use temporary local storage more often. I keep an archive offline and have a 1TB bare drive that I move between the computer and player. Those popup-toaster enclosures are very handy, you just move the drive itself. It's primitive but suits my modest needs. 1TB is a lot of pending material to watch.

Twonky is also the DLNA server I use.

-Bill
post #2125 of 2522
Ok thanks. And thanks Bill for your FAQ - I found that before I found this thread. I'm unable to try things at this point because my CB III is off being upgraded to the CB III HD. I was trying to start dealing with my collection of 300 or so old and antiquated DVDs in the interim. I suspect that blows through the 2TB maximum on attached media storage if I stick with my no compression mantra (NTSC DVD is bad enough as it is)...

And now I need to go find out what a BDMV folder is...
post #2126 of 2522
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I was trying to start dealing with my collection of 300 or so old and antiquated DVDs in the interim. I suspect that blows through the 2TB maximum on attached media storage if I stick with my no compression mantra (NTSC DVD is bad enough as it is)...

And now I need to go find out what a BDMV folder is...

I've got almost 200GB free on a 2TB drive full of DVD ISO, about 400 of them. If you strip away all extras and audio tracks you might squeeze 300 on a 1TB drive. You can also convert to MPEG-4 with little or no loss of quality and get around 60% reduction in file size. Handbrake has a "constant quality" encoding option that's pretty effective. YMMV.
post #2127 of 2522
Hey Guys,

I'm sure this has been covered but does the oppo playback TrueHD and DTS-MA inside an MKV container?

Hows the subtitle support for MKV's?

Sean
post #2128 of 2522
I would say yes, as my BDP-80 does with no problem and its the little brother of this. The hardest part is making sure its encoding correctly.
post #2129 of 2522
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

I'm sure this has been covered but does the oppo playback TrueHD and DTS-MA inside an MKV container?

From my understanding UMS (previously known as PMS or PS3 Media Server) claims to be able to bitstream TrueHD and DST-MA inside MKVs now...

http://www.universalmediaserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63
post #2130 of 2522
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

Hey Guys,

I'm sure this has been covered but does the oppo playback TrueHD and DTS-MA inside an MKV container?

No.
Quote:
Hows the subtitle support for MKV's?

I use both standard definition vobsub and srt subtitles. They work.

-Bill
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