Oppo BDP-83/93/95/103/105 DLNA/UPnP thread - Page 76

Phil

As I understand it, the box just adapts from one form of digital to I2S, the input connectors on the digital crossover.

Yes the Oppo's analog is excellent, but I need digital. After the crossover, its converted to analog, and then into power amplifiers

Cheers

If anyone out there knows how to write a file converter that does nothing but reverse the bit order of the audio in a SOWT MOV file, making it Big Endian PCM and leaving the video unchanged, that would probably solve the problem for a lot of us Canon / Oppo users!

We can't show these videos without inverting that egg! This is a truly Lilliputian problem. (My apologies to Jonathan Swift.)

--Phil

I always look at http://www.videohelp.com/convert for conversion utilities. Searching for SOWT there shows a lot of complaints about lack of support for it, but maybe some leads on conversion. I didn't pursue it.

-Bill

Too many pages to see on this thread to figure out if this has been discussed. So, forgive me if this is a duplicate. Wild media server has a forum posting by the software's author showing how to configure Wild for Oppo.
http://www.wildmediaserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1669

I find one tool what can do this: MP4Cam2AVI Easy Converter http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp4cam2avi/?source=dlp
Video can be selected (actually is by default in basic mode) as "no recompressed" and audio can be PCM or LAME MP3, it can do batch converting. Easy and fast way to get Canon MOV files playing on Oppo.

Mediainfo details about converted file are:

General
Complete name : MVI_0858.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 121 MiB
Duration : 28s 904ms
Overall bit rate : 35.2 Mbps
Writing library : MP4Cam2AVI Easy Converter

Video
ID : 0
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Baseline@L5.0
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=12
Codec ID : H264
Duration : 28s 904ms
Bit rate : 33.7 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.678
Stream size : 116 MiB (96%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.601

Audio
ID : 1
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 28s 904ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 5.29 MiB (4%)
Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration : 42 ms (1.00 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration : 458 ms
Edited by Sileem - 3/3/13 at 7:26am

Downloaded it, set it up, had it convert one of my Canon MOV files using its default settings, passing the video through unmodified and changing only the audio output format setting - from MP3 to PCM.

The conversion was fast, taking half the playing time of the clip (much better than four times the clip's playing time). The resulting AVI file, almost exactly the same size as the original, played fine on my PC, but networked to my Oppo over my LAN was unsuccessful: the Oppo spun its percentage wheel for a minute or so, never getting past 0%, and then came back with the "unsupported file" error message.

--Phil

First I also tested MP4Cam2AVI converted files on PC and all was OK, when I later tested them on BDP-103 result was slow motion and long stops of image (but image was visible, no error message), audio was OK, I used SMB/CIFS transfer not DLNA. Original MOV image plays perfectly but has no audio. Maybe some conversion settings can cure this problem, I will test later more.

I made more test, in my case when I use LAN cable also file converted with MP4Cam2AVI from MOV to AVi works OK on BDP-103. But when I use Wi-FI (I upgraded my WiFi to 802.11n (theoretical max speed 300Mbps) I get slow motion and long stops of image. BDP-103 USB Wi-Fi dongle had also 802.11n, but theoretical max speed150Mbps. I not find any way to test BDP-103 USB Wi-Fi real speed, but with PC I had speed easy over 100Mbps (from Win 7 Wi-Fi card Status page and PCs distance from AP is double that BDP-103 has). I little bit doubt that file with overall bit rate of 35.2 Mbps need more than 100Mbps network speed to play correctly on BDP-103 as LAN port on it is 100BASE-TX. Also little strange is that original MOV (same overall bit rate) play without any problems also with Wi-Fi connection, of course without audio.

Conclusion? May be still BDP-103 had some problem in USB Wi-Fi handling and/or H264 playback?
Edited by Sileem - 3/5/13 at 7:08am

Wireless networks are almost never adequate for HD video streaming. Assume a max speed of about 30% of its rated speed, and it could be a lot less. For testing files you should transfer to a USB drive to be sure its OK.
You can try moving the Oppo's wireless dongle to a different location, but keep your expectations low.

But how to explain that video files with same overall bit rate plays differently on BDP-103 over Wi-Fi, MOV is OK but AVI not?

I'm at the beginning of my learning curve about in home networking.

I have a Macbook, an iPad and the BDP-105. I want to use the Oppo as a Digital Media Renderer. I want to control everything with my iPad (Option 3 from Bob's terrific explanation).

1. Do all DMS applications allow you to configure a Digital Media Renderer (the Oppo). I don't want to use anything that uses transcoding. I want to be able to push the unaltered files to the Oppo.

2. Are all Digital Media Controller apps (IOS) compatible with all Digital Media Servers or do you have to mate them (ex. jremote to jriver )?

After a lot of reading and research, I've found a solution that is allowing me to push (unaltered) files from my Macbook and external HDs to the Oppo BDP-105 and I don't have to turn on the TV to do it. Here's what I'm doing.

1. I downloaded a trial copy of a DMS (Digital Media Server) called "Playback" by Yazsoft. It was simple to install and set up. It took me all of 5 minutes. It found the Oppo on my network (which I have connect via an ETHERNET cable to my router). I then designated the folders across an external HD, a flash drive and my Macbook. I'm using a trial version (good for 30 minute sessions over 6 days). To purchase it is $15, I believe.

2. I downloaded a DMC (Digital Media Controller) app for iPad called Kinsky (by Linn Audio) (this was free). It said that it would communicate with a DLNA UPnP device and DLNA compliant server. As soon as I had the Playback server running, the Kinsky app on the iPad displayed all of the music files and the Oppo. It works like a charm. I pushed a 192/24 bit file and there were no hicups. I wanted to make sure that there was no transcoding going on, so I attempted to play an AIFF file (Oppo doesn't play them) and it didn't work..just as I would expect.

The Oppo will not read files on MAC OS Extended (Journaled) drive. Up to this point, I had a flash drive formatted to FAT32 and would copy files over to it. This is no longer an issue because Playback grabs the files and pushes them to the Oppo!! It even shares my iTunes library.

So over the last few days, I've learned about DMS (Digital Media Server) , DMC (Digital Media Controller) and DMR (Digital Media Renderer) and how they work together.

I suspect that DSD streaming is coming soon.

Edited by Kal Rubinson - 3/8/13 at 9:09am

tease

Does anyone know a simple and quick way to play .dts files either on a connected hard drive or streaming to the -93? I have a bunch of DVD Audio discs that also have a DTS layer that I extracted to .dts files via DVD Audio Extractor. AFAIK, the -93 will not play the .dts natively and it may require it to be in a MKV container. Looking for something simple.

Thanks.

MKV container is your best bet.
But one wonders what use DTS files off a DVD-A might be, given the availability of high-res PCM from the same disc.

Do you know of some simple methods/software to do this?

The DTS layer is 5.1 whereas the PCM is only 2 channel. A few are even dts 96/24 mch.

Thanks.

I know that MPC-HD (which is free) will play dts files but I'm not sure about streaming these to the Oppo. I thought Foobar would play them (which could then be streamed to the Oppo) but I wasn't able to play the couple of dts files I have with Foobar with the dts plugin, unless maybe I don't have something configured properly.

The bigger question is why are you ripping to dts? Can you not have DVD Audio Extractor convert these to flac (or wav)? I haven't run across a DVD-A (or DVD-V) yet that DVD Audio Extractor couldn't rip and convert to flac or wav including 5.1 dts or ac3 tracks.
Edited by scolumbo - 4/3/13 at 4:20pm

Because I want to?

Will take a look at MPC-HD - thanks.

If you want to rip to dts that's fine.

As long as you realize it's not a compatible format with the Oppo. Check out MPC-HD, it's a nice player and will play other HD formats that many players won't.

Also, VLC plays my dts files.

DVD Audio Extractor has no problem with the 5.1 lossless track on a DVD-A disk - extract it to FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) to save about half the space (and data stream on your network) and the Oppo can easily play it off a DLNA or UPnP server over your LAN sounding exactly the same as if you had put the disk into the Oppo - the only thing you'll lose will be the graphics: no pictures or lyric sheets associated with the playing track. The music would, however, play back as the original 5.1 PCM track. You can then use MP3tag to add a cover thumbnail to the FLAC, just as if it was an MP3.

Personally, I like to listen to surround music with the lights out anyway.

Do be aware that there are some 4.0 DVD-Audio disk tracks. A FLAC rip of those will play fine on the Oppo, so don't be freaked out when your copy of Winamp chokes on them and puts out white noise when you try to test them on your PC before moving over to the Oppo!

I have some 3.0 audio tracks, mostly older jazz and classical recordings, along with many 4.0 and 5.0 recordings. Foobar, and the Oppo handle these just fine.

With the latest beta release, must the DSD file reside on one of the USB connections, or can it reside up the network for DLNA or DMR access?

Answered my own question after reading kal's Stereophile column "one simply plugs a USB drive (formatted FAT32 or, now, exFat) with DSF or DFF files into the front or back USB "A" jack on the Oppo and select it as source. The DSD files will appear on the track/album/artist lists on the video display (above). Just click and play as with the more familiar WAV, FLAC, etc. files.
Edited by wadeh911 - 4/7/13 at 9:36am

You can play them over your network using SMB.

Ever try Frank Zappa: Quaudiophiliac? Some tracks are 4.0. For some reason the surround channels are mixed up in Foobar. Plays fine on the Oppo.

I have Quaudiophiliac but I don't recall playing it with Foobar. I'll have to give it a try when I return from my trip in a few days. I have had a couple of other MCH recordings where the channel mapping was incorrect in Foobar.

Not sure if I am posting this in the right thread or not but I am considering upgrading my -93 to the -103 so that I can take advantage of the new DSD playback via connected drive (once it is public firmware). I have a Sony bluray player hooked up for my wife just so she can stream Amazon Prime free stuff. I noticed that the 103 will work with the Roku stick and the Oppo website shows it can be ordered with an OEM Roku stick for a discount but I am wondering if anyone can confirm that this particular OEM Roku stick hooked up to the 103 will in fact work with Amazon Prime?

I haven't done it myself, but the Stick has all the same functionality as the Roku boxes, including Amazon streaming. The only real difference is that it doesn't come with a remote (use the player's remote) and it requires a wireless connection. Personally I'd just get the new Roku3 box and hard wire it.

^^
Thanks. Yeah, I would do that but rack space is at a premium. If I keep my -93 (for ISO playback), I am not going to have room for anything else, even a small box.

Seems to me that a small Roku 3 - which can give your wife everything the Sony Bluray player does in terms of Amazon Prime streaming, including 5.1 surround, would rattle around in the space made by taking out the Sony, which you wouldn't need at that point if it's only being used for streaming.