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post #2341 of 2522
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

1) Are you accessing via the file share (SMB) on the MyBook Live or via the DLNA server?
2) If via the DLNA server, is the server version up-to-date.

The DLNA servers in many MyBook Live appliances is Twonky server release 5.x. 5.x does not know about or use mkv files - so if you are using the DLNA server, you have to upgrade the Twonky installation. Latest release for that platform is 7.x. You SHOULD be able to access the file via the SMB file shares, however.

Re question 1: I don't know how to tell the difference. Yes, really that ignorant. And I have no idea how to go looking for Twonky in the WD drive. In the WD drive's "Dashboard", I choose "Media", DLNA Mediaserver, media streaming, enable is checked. I click on the media streaming, and a dropdown box appears, listing devices and MAC addresses and IP addresses for all. I have figured out what the three "Generic Media Receiver items are...the second one is the Oppo 95. I went to the Oppo's setup menu and found the same IP address, but not a MAC address. Could this be the source of the problem, even though the Oppo does read other video files (a .wmd and a .mp4)? God knows, maybe you guys do, too? Thanks again.
post #2342 of 2522
Start by browsing from the Oppo. When you go to "Network", you should see 2 entries for your MyBook - one for its DLNA server and one for the file share.

USUALLY, the DLNA servers come up in the network list before the file shares.

Try using the file share instead of the DLNA server.
post #2343 of 2522
I can't tell what is the DLNA function vs. another choice, in the Oppo menu.

From the Oppo 95 Home button, I click on My Network. One of the three items that appear is MyBookLiveDuo (the other two items(My Network Search [which does nothing] and R4500, which is my router) have nothing to do with the My Book Live. I click on MyBookLiveDuo, and there are four items listed: Music Photo storage Video.
I click on Video, and get a drop-down of: Actor Album All Video By Date By Year Folder Genre. If I click All Video, it shows the mp4 and the wmv (which it can open and play), but the mkv files do not appear.

If instead, I click on "storage" (lower case), I see BookLiveDuo\storage\Public\Shared Videos, and under that are the mp4, and the wmv, and two folders, each of which contain a .mkv file within them. But opening those two folders shows them as empty, and the .mkv file that is loose in Shared Videos on the WD drive, also does not appear.

The suggestion about Twonky may be applicable, but I can't figure out how to look for it on the WD drive.

Incidentally, I never installed WD's backup or "cloud" software because I don't intend to use them.

Any suggestions? Thanks for the help. Jack
post #2344 of 2522
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Originally Posted by bearr48 View Post

Any suggestions? Thanks for the help. Jack

What is the exact name of the MKV file that is not appearing?

-Bill
post #2345 of 2522
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

Start by browsing from the Oppo. When you go to "Network", you should see 2 entries for your MyBook - one for its DLNA server and one for the file share.

USUALLY, the DLNA servers come up in the network list before the file shares.

Try using the file share instead of the DLNA server.
The BDP-93/95 does not support Samba network file sharing, unfortunately.


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Originally Posted by bearr48 View Post

there are four items listed: Music Photo storage Video.
I click on Video, and get a drop-down of: Actor Album All Video By Date By Year Folder Genre. If I click All Video, it shows the mp4 and the wmv (which it can open and play), but the mkv files do not appear.

If instead, I click on "storage" (lower case), I see BookLiveDuo\storage\Public\Shared Videos, and under that are the mp4, and the wmv, and two folders, each of which contain a .mkv file within them. But opening those two folders shows them as empty, and the .mkv file that is loose in Shared Videos on the WD drive, also does not appear.
That's because all four of those top level options, including the "storage" one are coming from Twonky's DLNA server. Your only solution to this is to tackle it from the NAS side and try and see if you can get a version of Twonky installed with a DLNA server that supports mkv files.

I've just found this guide on the net, hope it helps (make sure you double check with other refs, though):
http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/forum/t-459592/complete-guide-to-upgrade-to-twonky-7-version-my-book-live-o
Edited by Cebolla - 8/15/13 at 8:31pm
post #2346 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

We've heard no reports (DSD via UPnP) of new support.

-Bill

Thanks Bill. You have no idea how I find this the most frustrating thing of my whole Oppo experience. Darn it the DSD files just play fine via SMB..but as everyone following this thread realises UPnP offers up a whole lot more..

Anyway. I just wish Oppo would just sort this! smile.gif
post #2347 of 2522
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

What is the exact name of the MKV file that is not appearing?

-Bill

Hi, Bill: the filename is Fix_Stupid_t01.mkv. That file is "loose" in Shared Videos (i.e., not in a subfolder. In addition, I have a subfolder titled REVENGE_OF_THE_SUN_DEMON in Shared Videos, and in it is a file named title00.mkv.
Jack
post #2348 of 2522
"That's because all four of those top level options, including the "storage" one are coming from Twonky's DLNA server. Your only solution to this is to tackle it from the NAS side and try and see if you can get a version of Twonky installed with a DLNA server that supports mkv files.

I've just found this guide on the net, hope it helps (make sure you double check with other refs, though):
http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/forum/t-459592/complete-guide-to-upgrade-to-twonky-7-version-my-book-live-o"


Thanks, I'll look into it next week, see if I can learn how to get into the guts of the MyBook Live Duo. Jack
post #2349 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Srgtfury View Post


Very informative.


I have an imac and a Time capsule with iphone remote. Just got the BDP-93 BR Player and would like to know what are the answers to the same questions with this gear, please.


Any help appreciated.


Thank you very much


Fury


Would also like to use Time Capsule to 105. 105 sees my TC but no files are under music what first step am I missing?
post #2350 of 2522
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Originally Posted by VRDnhorns View Post

Would also like to use Time Capsule to 105. 105 sees my TC but no files are under music what first step am I missing?

USB Hard Drive attached to Time Capsule?
post #2351 of 2522
I think my question is better suited here than the BDP-105 Owners thread.

I'm trying to put together a home theater system that includes a receiver, htpc w/Windows Media Center, and Synology DS1513+. Because of the confusing nature of the 105 (it's nearly a pre/pro in of itself), I'm not sure where or how this device would fit in this kind of setup. My main concern is having the ripped a/v media on my NAS take advantage of the processors (like the reference dac) in the 105. This is what I want.

I should probably state that I hardly know anything about a/v hardware. I'm not going to setup my system - someone else will. I'm just trying to determine what I need.
post #2352 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Lv99 Slacker View Post

I think my question is better suited here than the BDP-105 Owners thread.

I'm trying to put together a home theater system that includes a receiver, htpc w/Windows Media Center, and Synology DS1513+. Because of the confusing nature of the 105 (it's nearly a pre/pro in of itself), I'm not sure where or how this device would fit in this kind of setup. My main concern is having the ripped a/v media on my NAS take advantage of the processors (like the reference dac) in the 105. This is what I want.

I should probably state that I hardly know anything about a/v hardware. I'm not going to setup my system - someone else will. I'm just trying to determine what I need.

Everything the player reads goes through its processors. What that entails depends on the setup params and your output connections.

With an NAS the natural access is over ethernet using DLNA or SMB. You can also use those with an HTPC, or run HDMI to the player's digital inputs.

-Bill
post #2353 of 2522
I am really getting crazy about the missing "Play album" functionality in nearly all DLNA renderer/controller combinations. The DLNA standard defines this optional functionality (play media collection, play container). But nobody implements it.

Me, and I guess most of us simply want to select an album on a tablet and then listen while doing other things. Old propriatary technologies (Sonos, Logitech Squeezebox) support it since 10 years.

Too many cooks spoil the broth. The producer of the media playing devices like OPPO must start to implement this feature in their DLNA renderer. Than the controller app developers will follow.

I use now a work arround with Wild Media Server (WMS). WMS has a feature "Single track", which transcodes the whole album in one WAV stream. When you browse DLNA server content a "Single track" is shown similar like the original tracks under the album. Transcoding is done on the fly "in memory" so even on my poor Intel Atom driven media server it takes only 1 - 2 seconds before the whole album starts to play.

Is there some other solution based on DLNA technology ?
post #2354 of 2522
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Originally Posted by ChristianRiedl View Post

I am really getting crazy about the missing "Play album" functionality in nearly all DLNA renderer/controller combinations. The DLNA standard defines this optional functionality (play media collection, play container). But nobody implements it.

Me, and I guess most of us simply want to select an album on a tablet and then listen while doing other things. Old propriatary technologies (Sonos, Logitech Squeezebox) support it since 10 years.

Too many cooks spoil the broth. The producer of the media playing devices like OPPO must start to implement this feature in their DLNA renderer. Than the controller app developers will follow.

I use now a work arround with Wild Media Server (WMS). WMS has a feature "Single track", which transcodes the whole album in one WAV stream. When you browse DLNA server content a "Single track" is shown similar like the original tracks under the album. Transcoding is done on the fly "in memory" so even on my poor Intel Atom driven media server it takes only 1 - 2 seconds before the whole album starts to play.

Is there some other solution based on DLNA technology ?

1) Use an Artist/Album/ folder structure
2) Use Mp3Tag (which works with any format that allows tagging, including FLAC, which has the highest sound quality of the bunch, being lossless compressison) to tag every track in the album with the same exact album name - no variations. If you have different encodings of an album, put them in separate folders, with different album tags.
3) Use leading zeros in the track number tags to make all tracks in an album have the same number of digits: 01, 02, . . .09, 10, 11 - this will keep the order correct.
4) If your tagging confuses your DLNA server, use its "browse by folder" feature to navigate to the folder where the album lives and start playing the first track - the others should follow, as the night follows the day.

I use oShare, which is free at SourceForge and is flea-weight, as it does no transcoding at all - so when I get a live concert that has been carved up into tracks, I used MergeMP3 to create a permanently-merged version of the whole concert, so it plays gaplessly.
post #2355 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

1) Use an Artist/Album/ folder structure
2) Use Mp3Tag (which works with any format that allows tagging, including FLAC, which has the highest sound quality of the bunch, being lossless compressison) to tag every track in the album with the same exact album name - no variations. If you have different encodings of an album, put them in separate folders, with different album tags.
3) Use leading zeros in the track number tags to make all tracks in an album have the same number of digits: 01, 02, . . .09, 10, 11 - this will keep the order correct.
4) If your tagging confuses your DLNA server, use its "browse by folder" feature to navigate to the folder where the album lives and start playing the first track - the others should follow, as the night follows the day.

I use oShare, which is free at SourceForge and is flea-weight, as it does no transcoding at all - so when I get a live concert that has been carved up into tracks, I used MergeMP3 to create a permanently-merged version of the whole concert, so it plays gaplessly.
The problem is, sometimes it is the server that is the problem - sometimes the controller, sometimes the renderer. When you have 3, generally half-%^&ed implementations all trying to interact with each other, even being completely anal about tagging does not help. The renderer in the Oppo is barely functional. I've yet to encounter a server that is really suited for a large collection that also performs decently and reliably - having tried literally (yes, I know how to use the word properly) more than a dozen of them, paid and free. Controllers are also disappointing. Really, at this point, the whole DLNA/uPnP thing is TERRIBLY disappointing.

I've yet to duplicate the success I have with a Squeezebox, Logitech Media Server (Squeezebox server previously), and the iPad squeezebox controller app. I can only conclude that this is the case because all of the components came from the same vendor, and were actually INTEGRATION tested. I am sure that most of these folks test the snot out of the components that they create, but my guess is that testing with other components is limited, at best, and the everyone THINKS they understand the spec when actually there remain these little subtleties where different interpretations of the spec leave us all open to products that work GREAT in isolation, but have numerous subtle quirks when combined.

This points to a distinct failure in the DLNA/uPnP specs and 'norms" of implementation to provide sufficient detail and robustness to make integrating 3 products from 3 different sources a reasonable undertaking. Maybe they'll all get their act together someday. I'm not holding my breath.
Edited by LairdWilliams - 8/24/13 at 6:31am
post #2356 of 2522
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Originally Posted by ChristianRiedl View Post

I am really getting crazy about the missing "Play album" functionality in nearly all DLNA renderer/controller combinations. The DLNA standard defines this optional functionality (play media collection, play container). But nobody implements it.

Me, and I guess most of us simply want to select an album on a tablet and then listen while doing other things. Old propriatary technologies (Sonos, Logitech Squeezebox) support it since 10 years.

Too many cooks spoil the broth. The producer of the media playing devices like OPPO must start to implement this feature in their DLNA renderer. Than the controller app developers will follow.
I don't own an Oppo, but presumably, like Philnick by "Play album" functionality, you mean gapless support and/or not messing about the track order within the album's folder?

If it's track order that's the problem, then it's as Philnick hinted it's ALL down to the UPnP/DNA server you are using, so I'd certainly agree with his advise. You should be able to correct that problem and if not try a different server, a decent one such as MinimServer.

Unfortunately, if it's gapless support that you want fixing, then you've currently very little hope about that being sorted out via the "play media collection, play media container" DLNA route, since all of the mainstream hifi seperate streamers have now implemented gapless support on a track by track basis within the current playlist, when in player mode, ie using the onboard playback facilities on the streamer (either by using buttons on the device, or supplied remote control or proprietary app that functions as its remote control).

In renderer mode, using a UPnP/DLNA control point for playback, this has also been implemented on a track by track basis, by the latest streamer models, specifically by supporting the DLNA SetNextAVTransportURI action function sent by the control point. So far the only control point software that supports any sort of gapless playback are BubbleUPnP (runs on Android), JRiver (runs on MAC & PC + remote control apps for Android & iOS) and Foobar2000 with the foo_UPnP plugin (runs on PC + remote control apps for Android & iOS). These control points all implement gapless via the track by track SetNextAVTransportURI action method.

Looks like if OPPO wants to support gapless, it'll need to support it the way everyone else seems to be.
post #2357 of 2522
You name it gapless, ok. When you use an iPad as controller than SetNextAVTransportUri is not really helpful. I want to start the whole album and than switch the tablet off. I know it is possible to implement some background behavior in an iPad but there are many restrictions and it wastes battery power. It would be much easier to give the renderer a playlist of all the tracks or only the container and the renderer fetches the items from the CDS (as defined in DLNA optional feature specs).

Fortunately I am software developer since nearly 40 years and my current job is not too interesting. So I spent some time developing my own DLNA server and controller based on existing frameworks.
I have not seen a DLNA Server which is able to present 20000 photos in a reasonable manner (using photo metadata to create easy browseable virtual directories).
Only the rendering devices are out of my control. My current solution is to transcode on the fly all the tracks in a WAV stream. So only the server (fortunately connected to AC) is a bit busy during playing,
post #2358 of 2522
I understand now why you are keen for the UPnP/DLNA renderer manufacturers to support DLNA whole playlist / container function and it makes perfect sense. It's bad enough that most don't even support SetNextAVTransportUri, so even less likely for 'whole album' approach.

For the moment they are all just happy to supply a propriatry app to create the current playlist / supply album track container and then get the streamer to playback the from the supplied data. Their own app doesn't then need to carry on running of course, as the playlist is now in the streamer's hands and playback is under its full control. It's a shame that they didn't have the foresight to use the UPnP/DLNA spec for their own internal handling of whole playlist playback, as ironically the interface would have been in place and ready for 'full' third party UPnP/DLNA control point support.
post #2359 of 2522
I'm using a BDP-93, which is not a renderer but itself does the pulling of tracks from the uPnP/DLNA server, which in my case is oShare. To save on the life of my main display, which is a projector - as well as to enable listening in the dark - I use a small tablet-sized 9" LCD display at my couch that can be driven by the RCA "composite" video output of the 93/95 and earlier models. (Unlike HDMI-connected monitors, which cause audio dropouts when turned off or on, turning a composite monitor off or on has no impact on the sound, because it doesn't trigger an HDMI "handshake.")

To make browsing the list from the 93 efficient, I break the alphabet up into a hierarchy of nested folders, with top-level folders labeled "A to G" "H to M" "N to S" and "T to Z" / individual letter folders under those / artist folders below those / and album folders last - often with parallel folders with different encodings of an album.

oShare obediently serves whatever files the 93 asks for, and the 93 will ask for every media file in a folder, in alpha filename order, starting from whatever point in the list you choose.

The "track number" tag is displayed by the 93 - but ignored by it in asking for tracks to be sent. Instead, like other computer file systems, it simply goes by alphabetical order of filenames. That's why padding the track number prefixes with leading zeros is necessary - it isn't evaluating the number prefix as a number, it's just treating it as a word - and as words, "12" comes before "2" - but not before "02" - because "0" comes before "1" in the alphabet.

This system is utilitarian but it works - there's no browsing by album covers, but you can see them while a track is playing.

But once you browse to the folder where an album is stored and start it playing, you can turn off the display and it will play to the end of the album.
Edited by Philnick - 8/24/13 at 7:51pm
post #2360 of 2522
It means you use something like a TV for browsing and the OPPO acts as normal player, not as renderer. Of course this is a solution.

For movies and photos we do not have the problem, because we need the TV anyhow. For music it must work without TV.

My iPad which is used as remote home control for everything (light, media, Alarm equiment, ...) replacing 6 Radio controls.
I can't accept to connect an additional display, because the producers of DLNA enabled devices make things which are not useable.

I think we should give them more feedback and pressure to make their products better (simply implementing not the minimum but the needed DLNA feature set).

To get the "DLNA certified" they have to implement only a minimum feature set. Even H.264/AVC is not part of this minimum feature set, thankfully implemented in all devices.
post #2361 of 2522
Question for those using SBT with Oppo 105

Question for those using their 105 to stream music from Mac. I recently downloaded J river for Mac to stream my files(mostly pure Cd rips and 96/24 downloads and of course I tunes apple lossless files) to the 105. I also have a Squeezebox Touch running Logitech Media server , which can also Handel 96/24 natively . I have my SBT hooked into my 105 via coax and my 105( for music ) hooked into my AVR via analog. My question is is there any benefit to the Jriver set up vs the SBT? Is the Jriver redundant or am I missing something? Thanks.
post #2362 of 2522
From the standpoint of streaming music, JRMC is redundant.

I use LMS to stream music to my Squeezebox Duo (screened porch) and to my Oppo BDP-103.
On the 103, I can stream all of my Apple Lossless library, HDTracks flacs, and Multichannel DVD-Audio flacs to the 103 with no issues.

JRMC, however, has a lot of tools for tagging and organization that LMS does not have.
And there is a hope that someday JRMC on the Mac will support more than just music sometime in the future.
(I doubt that this will happen with LMS ... but you never know, I guess)
post #2363 of 2522
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Originally Posted by gelly View Post

Question for those using SBT with Oppo 105

Question for those using their 105 to stream music from Mac. I recently downloaded J river for Mac to stream my files(mostly pure Cd rips and 96/24 downloads and of course I tunes apple lossless files) to the 105. I also have a Squeezebox Touch running Logitech Media server , which can also Handel 96/24 natively . I have my SBT hooked into my 105 via coax and my 105( for music ) hooked into my AVR via analog. My question is is there any benefit to the Jriver set up vs the SBT? Is the Jriver redundant or am I missing something? Thanks.
Are you network streaming from JRiver to the 105, or playing from JRiver to the 105 via async USB DAC?

If you really are using JRiver's server to stream from, then gapless playback is not supported by the Oppo, so this would be worse than SBT setup if that's important to you.
If you are actually using JRiver's playback software to the 105's DAC, then you may have better sound quality this way than with the SBT since the async USB DAC connection is designed to reduce jitter and also the SBT's poor power supply (assuming you haven't upgraded the original one) could well be affecting its sound quality.
post #2364 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Cebolla View Post

The BDP-93/95 does not support Samba network file sharing, unfortunately.
That's because all four of those top level options, including the "storage" one are coming from Twonky's DLNA server. Your only solution to this is to tackle it from the NAS side and try and see if you can get a version of Twonky installed with a DLNA server that supports mkv files.

I've just found this guide on the net, hope it helps (make sure you double check with other refs, though):
http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/forum/t-459592/complete-guide-to-upgrade-to-twonky-7-version-my-book-live-o

I finally got the word from WD Level 2 support. MyBOokLIveDuo currently uses "Access DLNA" as its DLNA server, and it does not play nice with .MKV files. Only choices are to either find someone I can hire to walk me through the "...guide to upgrade to twonky 7 version..." (the my booklive duo version) because it is way, way outside of my skill set...or to use something other than .MKV for my movie files. Does Dvd Fab work as a simple one-step process? Recommended file type(s)? Or will some experienced person take on the task of installing twonky media server (current version) onto my WD MyBook lIve Duo, for a reasonable fee? Thanks, guys.

Jack
post #2365 of 2522
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Originally Posted by Cebolla View Post

Are you network streaming from JRiver to the 105, or playing from JRiver to the 105 via async USB DAC?

If you really are using JRiver's server to stream from, then gapless playback is not supported by the Oppo, so this would be worse than SBT setup if that's important to you.
If you are actually using JRiver's playback software to the 105's DAC, then you may have better sound quality this way than with the SBT since the async USB DAC connection is designed to reduce jitter and also the SBT's poor power supply (assuming you haven't upgraded the original one) could well be affecting its sound quality.

Based in the original post and his request for others who are streaming to their Oppos, I would read that he is talking about network streaming, and is simply trying to decide whether to run ONE music server on his Mac (LMS), or whether to add another (jRiver) for use with the Oppo.

So the key factors here are the following:
1) Both servers stream audio to the Oppo just fine.
- I can confirm this, as I have tried them both on the Mac (a Mini running OS X Mountain Lion)
- I have tried streaming from both server apps to the Oppo with numerous multichannel flacs (24/48 and 26/96), with ALACs (16/44.1), and with HDTracks flacs (24/48 and 24/96)
- There has been no detectable jitter in either case, although I am using a WIRED gigabit network between the server room and the home theater cabinet.
2) The SBT requires the use of the LMS - so LMS will be in the configuration regardless of whether he uses jRiver.
3) Advantages of jRiver on the Mac are
- Superior media and tag (artwork, genres, etc.) management and customizable tag-based "smart" menus for the DLNA server ("Media Network")
- Greater potential for future support of media besides music.

Essentially, then, if #3 is important to you, keep jRiver in the mix. Otherwise, LMS will work just fine.
post #2366 of 2522
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

Based in the original post and his request for others who are streaming to their Oppos, I would read that he is talking about network streaming, and is simply trying to decide whether to run ONE music server on his Mac (LMS), or whether to add another (jRiver) for use with the Oppo.

So the key factors here are the following:
1) Both servers stream audio to the Oppo just fine.
- I can confirm this, as I have tried them both on the Mac (a Mini running OS X Mountain Lion)
- I have tried streaming from both server apps to the Oppo with numerous multichannel flacs (24/48 and 26/96), with ALACs (16/44.1), and with HDTracks flacs (24/48 and 24/96)
- There has been no detectable jitter in either case, although I am using a WIRED gigabit network between the server room and the home theater cabinet.
2) The SBT requires the use of the LMS - so LMS will be in the configuration regardless of whether he uses jRiver.
3) Advantages of jRiver on the Mac are
- Superior media and tag (artwork, genres, etc.) management and customizable tag-based "smart" menus for the DLNA server ("Media Network")
- Greater potential for future support of media besides music.

Essentially, then, if #3 is important to you, keep jRiver in the mix. Otherwise, LMS will work just fine.

Thanks. Im currently using the beta of Mavericks on my Mac. I know JRiver for mac is still in beta. However, I find it ti be very unstable. Crashes some jitter and long pauses between switching from lossless/flac and HD tracks. I just wanted to make sure i was not missing something sound quality wise using my SBT/LMS vs JRiver.
post #2367 of 2522
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

- I have tried streaming from both server apps to the Oppo with numerous multichannel flacs (24/48 and 26/96), with ALACs (16/44.1), and with HDTracks flacs (24/48 and 24/96)
- There has been no detectable jitter in either case, although I am using a WIRED gigabit network between the server room and the home theater cabinet.
The jitter I was referring to was not delayed network data jitter between media server and the streamer, but audio data jitter from the streamer (or the computer, though irrelevant here) to the external DAC due to clock signal instability in the digital audio data. A computer connected to an external DAC via async USB is one method of greatly reducing this type of jitter.

In this case if you are streaming from a media server to the Oppo directly, there's very little chance of this sort of jitter being significant since the Oppo's internal DAC is being used by its own firmware player. If you are streaming from a media server using a streamer like the SBT, with the Oppo being used as its external DAC, then there is a greater chance of having this sort of jitter affecting the sound quality as it has no clock control over the Oppo's DAC.
Edited by Cebolla - 8/27/13 at 12:17pm
post #2368 of 2522
I'm with you Christian, I find it rather strange that in this time of more and more dlna integration in our systems (and the continuous competition of Apple Itunes/Airplay) this feature has not been better developed by Oppo. For me it means I lose half the intended functionality and feel unhappy about it as the unit is being advertised as DLNA compliant. In a rather agricultural way that is, I found out.
post #2369 of 2522
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Originally Posted by ChristianRiedl View Post

I am really getting crazy about the missing "Play album" functionality in nearly all DLNA renderer/controller combinations. The DLNA standard defines this optional functionality (play media collection, play container). But nobody implements it.

So I have to agree - mostly. After months of dorking around with different servers and controllers, I finally found a setup that seems to work reasonably well. There is one minor issue left that I will go into momentarily.

For reference: My media collection includes 12000+ songs in apple lossless format (ALAC) that I manage with iTunes, another 600+ multichannel (48/24 and 96/24 6-channel) flacs, another 350+ "high res" (96/24, 192/24) flacs, and collection of 200+ movies and TV episodes in MKV format. I have a Mac Mini running OS/X Server, with 16GB of RAM and both 8TB and 4TB Thunderbolt RAID arrays. It is my e-mail server, file server, DNS server, DHCP server, and VPN server. It is also my media server. If you are a Windows user, don't hang up though - as what I have to say in the end applies as much (or perhaps more) to Windows than to Mac. The Mac Mini and Oppo are on a WIRED gigabit network. (Wireless sucks for streaming media except under the most ideal conditions. Say it with me... "wireless sucks for streaming media")

Prior to standing up the current server, I had a large (very large) Win7 box doing most of the same duties (no VPN, DHCP, or DNS though). I had tried a dozen or so free and paid DLNA servers over the course of a couple of years. Nothing came close to jRiver media center (JRMC) for a combination of reliable DLNA support and media management (especially metadata management) features for my setup. It worked pretty well combined with the 103 as a player. (At that time, I was not familiar with the "Renderer" idea. I will be coming back to that topic).

I also have a squeezebox duet in a "hidden" porch system. The amp (signal sensing, so it powers on and off automatically) and streaming box are in an attic near my porch. I have the Squeezebox remote (or iPad app) to take out on my porch, and then a nice pair of Definitive's excellent outdoor speakers mounted in the porch. Because the Squeezeboxes are proprietary, I ALSO had to run the Squeezebox server (which has changed names a couple of times, and is currently called "Logitech Media Server", which I will now call "LMS") That also worked great. JRMC and LMS coexisted just fine. I used JRMC for the Oppo and LMS for the Squeezebox and all was well.

So when I moved my server platform to the Mac, I needed media server solutions for that platform. LMS has a Mac incarnation that seems to work fine (except one strange oddity that I won't go into here). The "play album" and dynamic playlist functions work great. No problems ever. This, of course, set my expectations for what I should be able to do with DLNA. Over the last several months, I have tried dozens of Mac-based DLNA servers and 6-8 iPad-based controllers. I tried Plex and its iPad controller/player (pretty good - but quirky with the Oppo). I tried YazSoft. I tried PS3 Media Server, and Serviio, and Twonky, and others.

And guess what. The most reliable combination, with excellent media management, reliable "play the whole album", reliable dynamic playlists, using the 103 as a renderer is...get this...

... jRiver's iPad controller with JRMC 19 running in a Windows 7 virtual machine on my Mac server. Works great. Nothing else has come close. I suspect that the same combination in a nice Windows box would do just as well.

If you are seeking a "free" solution...this is not good news. Assuming you are running a Windows box already, you need to shell out $50 for JRMC and another $10 for the iPad app. But if you have BDP-103 or BDP-105, you just spent between $500 and $1000 on a streaming/disc player. I can't see that another $60 would be all that painful.

Quirks - one so far. Gapless playback is a no-go as yet. I am contacting Oppo about this. Between songs there is a noticeable gap. But everything else works VERY well and very reliably.
( oh - and you also have to configure JRMC to skip audio transcoding - but since the Oppo plays almost everything natively anyway...)

So - in summary: JRMC on Windows - with audio transcoding off (as Media Server), jRiver's iPad App (as Media Controller), and the Oppo BDP-103 (as Media Renderer) play very nicely together for multichannel and hi-res flacs, ALACs, and MKVs.

This is, of course, only one person's experience. Scale your expectations accordingly.
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For reference: I sent the following email to Oppo Digital this morning.
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Hi! I am a huge fan of my BDP-103 - and really only have one issue that I wanted to call to your attention in hopes that you might have some insight into it.

I am using the 103 as a Renderer, in combination with jRiver Media Center 19 (as Server/Library) and its associated iPad app (as controller). This combination works very well and reliably together - except...

Gapless playback. When I queue up an album or playlist, there is a huge hickup between tracks. Watching the screen, the 103 shifts to home screen, then network screen, then rendering playback screen between each track.

1) Do you have gapless playback working with ANY DLNA server/controller combinations there?
2) Have you tried my particular combination, perchance?
3) Is there some configuration magic I can do on the server to fix this?
4) If not - is this something you are working.

Can't say enough how happy I am with the product otherwise. Disc playback is excellent...streaming works great...except this issue.

They got back to me within a couple of hours. Their support is excellent as usual. The reply was a little depressing, however:
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Gapless playback is being instigated by any implementation will require that the sampling rate, bit rate, and the file type are identical for gapless playback to work.
Ok - this makes sense...but then they go on:
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Second, you will need to manually engage gapless playback in the player, which will mean you can't use DLNA DMR since you are pushing data to the player. The player has to use SMB, DLNA DMP, or direct storage to engage gapless playback.

So - in short - the BDP-103 does not support gapless playback when being used as a DMR.
No clues as to why this is the case.

I wonder whether this is a hole in the uPnP DMR spec or whether this is just a hole in Oppo's implementation. Time to dive into the specs....sigh.
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