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post #331 of 2291
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

We're using "server" pretty loosely here. (Although accurately, I think).

Ther terminology of DLNA takes a while to get used to.

A DLNA Server just serves content.
A DLNA Renderer just plays it.
A DLNA Controller can be combined with either of those, or it may be separate and command the renderer to request and play files from the server.

Here's our article on it:
http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DLNA

We've added DLNA support in our software, J. River Media Center. Builds 137 or above of MC14, available at the top of the MC14 board here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=17.0

For those who don't know J. River, we make a player/organizer with capabilities comparable to iTunes, WMP, and Windows Media Center. It's in use by many AVSForum users.
post #332 of 2291
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Originally Posted by bdgeary View Post

Is there a working dlna program for the ipod touch to allow streaming from it to the Oppo.

Did you try PlugPlayer?
post #333 of 2291
I found out that J.River does not like having Asset and/or TVersity running. In fact, it broke everything and had to be uninstalled to get it all working again. Even froze up the Oppo player on the other end.
post #334 of 2291
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I found out that J.River does not like having Asset and/or TVersity running. In fact, it broke everything and had to be uninstalled to get it all working again. Even froze up the Oppo player on the other end.

Sorry to hear that. Could you provide a few details?

Anders reported it working a few days ago in this thread.

When did you try it and which build did you install? The only thing I can imagine is that they were trying to use the same port.

Here's the most recent public build:
http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/...nter140137.exe

Earlier versions used port 2869. More recently, ports from 52100 to 52199 are used.
post #335 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

Sorry to hear that. Could you provide a few details?

Anders reported it working a few days ago in this thread.

When did you try it and which build did you install? The only thing I can imagine is that they were trying to use the same port.

Here's the most recent public build:
http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/...nter140137.exe

Earlier versions used port 2869. More recently, ports from 52100 to 52199 are used.

Yeah, no lock ups or anything for me. I don't have any other DLNA server installed on the machine running the JRMC DLNA server though. I had problems with the default port (I used build 131) so changed it to 28690 and things worked fine.

So Jim, any idea why 5.1 audio won't work? Is the limitation potentially in the Oppo, the DLNA protocol not supporting multichannel PCM or the DLNA server, in this case JRMC14?

/Anders
post #336 of 2291
Hi Anders,
I'm not sure on the 5.1. I haven't tried it with FLAC.

If a file was encoded with Dolby Digital, all MC would do is pass it unmodified to a receiver (the Oppo in this case). It would be up to the receiver to decode the surround sound correctly.

Maybe you'll find something useful in our wiki here:
http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/Surround_Sound
post #337 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

Hi Anders,
I'm not sure on the 5.1. I haven't tried it with FLAC.

If a file was encoded with Dolby Digital, all MC would do is pass it unmodified to a receiver (the Oppo in this case). It would be up to the receiver to decode the surround sound correctly.

Maybe you'll find something useful in our wiki here:
http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/Surround_Sound

yes, I have successfully passed a flac encoded DTS WAV file from JRMC to the oppo which in turn sent a DTS bitstream to my preamp/processor.

So far I can't recall that anyone in this thread has reported to successfully pass 5.1 PCM from any DLNA server, so who knows where the bottle neck is.


/Anders
post #338 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

Ther terminology of DLNA takes a while to get used to.

A DLNA Server just serves content.
A DLNA Renderer just plays it.
A DLNA Controller can be combined with either of those, or it may be separate and command the renderer to request and play files from the server.

Is there an available jriver controller (iphone/droid app) that can be used with the Oppo as the renderer? I would prefer to leave my TV off when listening to music and browsing audio files.
post #339 of 2291
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Originally Posted by johsti View Post

Is there an available jriver controller (iphone/droid app) that can be used with the Oppo as the renderer? I would prefer to leave my TV off when listening to music and browsing audio files.

We don't do one, but Plugplayer on iPhone, or Andromote on Google phone do.
post #340 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

We don't do one, but Plugplayer on iPhone, or Andromote on Google phone do.

I do have Andromote on my phone (droid), but I can't get it to recognize the Oppo as the renderer? Has anyone had success with this?

I'm hoping that this combination could eventually replace my SB Duet and DAC.
post #341 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

Ther terminology of DLNA takes a while to get used to.

A DLNA Server just serves content.
A DLNA Renderer just plays it.
A DLNA Controller can be combined with either of those, or it may be separate and command the renderer to request and play files from the server.

Here's our article on it:
http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DLNA

We've added DLNA support in our software, J. River Media Center. Builds 137 or above of MC14, available at the top of the MC14 board here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=17.0

For those who don't know J. River, we make a player/organizer with capabilities comparable to iTunes, WMP, and Windows Media Center. It's in use by many AVSForum users.

Forgot to add, WINDOZ only, something I did not see listed anywhere on your site, and did look at many a link, blow up of media player "window image" gave away the OS, but in small view, looks a lot like iTunes (Mac version). No big deal, I have this same issue with a lot of Windoz software, the makers just "assume" it's an all windoz world, a few of us know otherwise. Wish I could try your product, but I don't do bootcamp much, and only occasionally boot from XP on my MacPro tower.
post #342 of 2291
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

Yeah, no lock ups or anything for me. I don't have any other DLNA server installed on the machine running the JRMC DLNA server though. I had problems with the default port (I used build 131) so changed it to 28690 and things worked fine.

So Jim, any idea why 5.1 audio won't work? Is the limitation potentially in the Oppo, the DLNA protocol not supporting multichannel PCM or the DLNA server, in this case JRMC14?

/Anders

No conflicts here either. I have Asset, Foobar, J. River, and Windows Media Player all appearing as options on the Oppo menu. I don't have TVerstiy installed so maybe that is the source of the conflict? Or maybe two programs trying to use the same port as Jim suggested?
post #343 of 2291
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Originally Posted by generalhead View Post

I can confirm that Asset streams 24-bit.

If you don't mind me asking, how are people verifying this? Is it the AVR/Pre-Pro displaying the input format? Unfortunately my old AVR can't do that. Is there a free program (that will run on Win7) that can analyze the outgoing stream to determine the sampling rate and bit depth?
post #344 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

Ther terminology of DLNA takes a while to get used to.

A DLNA Server just serves content.
A DLNA Renderer just plays it.
A DLNA Controller can be combined with either of those, or it may be separate and command the renderer to request and play files from the server.

Here's our article on it:
http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DLNA

We've added DLNA support in our software, J. River Media Center. Builds 137 or above of MC14, available at the top of the MC14 board here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=17.0

For those who don't know J. River, we make a player/organizer with capabilities comparable to iTunes, WMP, and Windows Media Center. It's in use by many AVSForum users.

Jim, thanks for jumping on to this thread, much appreciated. Could you tell us if J. River Media Center is passing the full hi rez data onto the Oppo for 24 bit 48/96/192/etc. files?
post #345 of 2291
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

yes, I have successfully passed a flac encoded DTS WAV file from JRMC to the oppo which in turn sent a DTS bitstream to my preamp/processor.

So far I can't recall that anyone in this thread has reported to successfully pass 5.1 PCM from any DLNA server, so who knows where the bottle neck is.


/Anders

Did you have to change any of the JRMC settings to successfully pass the flac DTS files? I can't seem to get that to work and I know my AVR (Outlaw 1050) can decode an incoming DTS bitstream.
post #346 of 2291
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Originally Posted by timkeeler View Post

If you don't mind me asking, how are people verifying this? Is it the AVR/Pre-Pro displaying the input format? Unfortunately my old AVR can't do that. Is there a free program (that will run on Win7) that can analyze the outgoing stream to determine the sampling rate and bit depth?

Yes, my AVR displays a symbol when it is processing 24-bit audio.
post #347 of 2291
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Originally Posted by timkeeler View Post

Jim, thanks for jumping on to this thread, much appreciated. Could you tell us if J. River Media Center is passing the full hi rez data onto the Oppo for 24 bit 48/96/192/etc. files?

You're welcome. I'm glad to see the interest.

You could check the DLNA options in MC to see how the file is handled. MC can convert to other formats before sending the file to the renderer, or it can be set not to convert. In your case, it should be set not to convert, or only to convert unsupported formats. If MC isn't converting, it's sending the original file without modifying it.
post #348 of 2291
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Originally Posted by timkeeler View Post

Did you have to change any of the JRMC settings to successfully pass the flac DTS files? I can't seem to get that to work and I know my AVR (Outlaw 1050) can decode an incoming DTS bitstream.

I use the default settings for Generic DLNA and changed the port number (due to a conflict) and I set Convert unsupported formats to Uncompressed Wave.

DTS lit up on the preamp/processor right away.

/Anders
post #349 of 2291
I list the DLNA servers people have reported using in the FAQ: What are some DLNA servers?

My intention was to add usage notes for each server but there is too much going on for me to keep up. I have a few notes for Twonky, but that's it.

If you would like to contribute usage notes for the FAQ, please PM or email me. What works, what doesn't, essential links and configuration files, your personal evaluation, stuff like that.

Better yet: if any ambitious person wants to take on the project and maintain a separate OPPO/DLNA resource page, I would simply link to that rather than putting it in the FAQ. Or it could go into OPPO's wiki, but I just haven't had time to explore that.

-Bill
post #350 of 2291
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I list the DLNA servers people have reported using in the FAQ: What are some DLNA servers?

My intention was to add usage notes for each server but there is too much going on for me to keep up. I have a few notes for Twonky, but that's it.

If you would like to contribute usage notes for the FAQ, please PM or email me. What works, what doesn't, essential links and configuration files, your personal evaluation, stuff like that.

Better yet: if any ambitious person wants to take on the project and maintain a separate OPPO/DLNA resource page, I would simply link to that rather than putting it in the FAQ. Or it could go into OPPO's wiki, but I just haven't had time to explore that.

-Bill

Boy, you really know how to clear out a thread!
post #351 of 2291
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

I use the default settings for Generic DLNA and changed the port number (due to a conflict) and I set Convert unsupported formats to Uncompressed Wave.

DTS lit up on the preamp/processor right away.

/Anders

Hmm, I think I had identical settings then. Are you running the network feed through the Oppo? The DTS files are listed as PCM in the Oppo. If I change the JRMC settings to "not convert", the files don't appear at all. I tried both LPCM and Bitstream settings in the Oppo setup menu but that didn't make a difference. Maybe my AVR just can't manage to recognize the incoming stream as DTS.
post #352 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

You're welcome. I'm glad to see the interest.

You could check the DLNA options in MC to see how the file is handled. MC can convert to other formats before sending the file to the renderer, or it can be set not to convert. In your case, it should be set not to convert, or only to convert unsupported formats. If MC isn't converting, it's sending the original file without modifying it.

We need to convert to PCM for the flac/wav files to be recognized by the Oppo. So I have it set to only convert unsupported formats. However, I don't see any setting related to that PCM conversion. I added a menu/view option based on Bit Depth and they do appear as 24 bit files in the Oppo menu. Not sure if that truly indicates that the full 24 bit files are what is coming across though or if the original files are simply flagged as such.
post #353 of 2291
I don't think the Oppo could see a 24 bit file if it didn't receive one.
post #354 of 2291
hi,
I have a problem displaying .mkv files over DLNA network.They are bgiger than 4gb and streamed from dreambox hdd(ushare plugin). All files are visible under mynetwork in OPPO 83 but not playable, saying not supported by the player.Same files on dvd playing without the problem.Thanks for help.
post #355 of 2291
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Originally Posted by varb View Post

hi,
I have a problem displaying .mkv files over DLNA network.They are bgiger than 4gb and streamed from dreambox hdd(ushare plugin). All files are visible under mynetwork in OPPO 83 but not playable, saying not supported by the player.Same files on dvd playing without the problem.Thanks for help.

The same file that plays from a DVD data disc inserted in the player does not play over DLNA? But is visible in the browser? Do smaller files work and larger ones not?

The "not supported" message indicates a video codec that the player does not support, but I had thought all codecs supported on local storage were also supported over DLNA.

Can you give us more info on the A/V codec characteristics of the contents of the .mkv files?

-Bill
post #356 of 2291
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The same file that plays from a DVD data disc inserted in the player does not play over DLNA?But is visible in the browser?

thats correct! I have tried different .mkv files, these are regular BDrips most common in internet.for examp. Death.Proof.2007.720p.BluRay.x264-SEPTiC.And the browser only shows .mkvs as mpeg and not mp3 files if i add them to the /hdd folder.Very strange, probably someting with ushare plugin???
post #357 of 2291
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Originally Posted by varb View Post

thats correct! I have tried different .mkv files, these are regular BDrips most common in internet.for examp. Death.Proof.2007.720p.BluRay.x264-SEPTiC.And the browser only shows .mkvs as mpeg and not mp3 files if i add them to the /hdd folder.Very strange, probably someting with ushare plugin???

That does sound like the server is remapping the files somehow. You need to investigate the configuration or try another server.

-Bill
post #358 of 2291
do you people know another DLNA server which work with DM800/8000 Enigma2.i havent find any easy config plugins for Nabilo BH0.12.Thanks a lot Bill!
post #359 of 2291
One DLNA server I have had a lot of success with is the Wild Media Server. I have been using it with my WDTV Live and am starting to experiment with it on the OPPO. With this server you can customize transcoding to get the oppo to recognize different formats. I have just started experimenting but would be very interested to see if someone more experienced in these parts took a crack at it.

Wild Media Server

It is free in beta until June 2010.
post #360 of 2291
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Originally Posted by docbells View Post

One DLNA server I have had a lot of success with is the Wild Media Server. I have been using it with my WDTV Live and am starting to experiment with it on the OPPO. With this server you can customize transcoding to get the oppo to recognize different formats. I have just started experimenting but would be very interested to see if someone more experienced in these parts took a crack at it.

Wild Media Server

It is free in beta until June 2010.

That looks promising. I'll give it a shot soon.
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