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post #451 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Ka1hode View Post

The simple answer is that the DLNA mediaserver app in your ACER does not support MKV, or likely AVI or OGM either.

At root, DLNA is a consumer electronics format invented to ensure that consumer generated files from 'standard' home electronics like digital still and movie cameras, televisions, cellphones, etc. can all interchange. By 'standard', that means MPG, MP3, JPG, PNG and so forth. FLAC, MKV, AVI, TS, OGM and the like are considered by the consumer electronics industry to be 'piracy enabling' formats. The odds of finding them supported in a consumer interoperability format for streaming files are vanishingly low.

Call me cynical, but there you are.

Individual devices may support these types of files via disk or USB because each copy has to be generated for each individual use. Streaming may very well be supplying more than one viewer at a time (so they think).

Standalone software for DLNA serving can get around the DLNA restrictions by serving the 'rogue' formats by UPnP so that, if the receiving device supports them, they can be played.

The Oppo supports MPG (1 and 2) video (with any of MP2, AC3 and 16-bit PCM audio), MP3 and PCM (16-bit) audio and JPG and PNG images via DLNA and MKV via UPnP over its ethernet connection. Within the MKV wrapper, it additionally supports H264/AVC (Mpeg 4, Part 10) and XVID/MP4 (Mpeg 4, Part 2) with any of AAC, MP3 or 16-bit PCM audio. Anything else (currently) needs to be converted by the mediaserver software to one of those formats or wrappers or formats within wrapper.

Oppo is NOT really responsible for the deficiencies of DLNA and I'm quite pleased that they undertook to enable ANY functionality of DLNA/UPnP over the ethernet connection at all.

Chris

Wow!

Thank you for the detailed response - it is in line with the results of further tests I performed last night. Ultimately was not able to get the WHS to serve up anything but mpg so instead quickly installed TVsersity on another PC to test the OPPO and it saw/played MKVs from that PC just fine.

Older MKVs played fine however the newer ones were pixelated/macroblocking, similar if you have seen the difference in CoreAVC 1.9.5 to 2.0.0.

I am highly impressed OPPO was able to get in DLNA/UpNP functionality as it seems promising - if OPPO fixed the x264 codec playback I'd be grateful!
post #452 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

Question -- I'm not familiar with MKV other than that it is a container.

Does that mean I can convert my MTS AVCHD video shot with my HD CAM to MKV without re-encoding the video/audio? If so, great! If not, then I'll have to hope Oppo adds playback of individual MTS files...

I don't know much about conversion of AVCHD, but if you plug the camera, by USB, into the Oppo front panel connector, then go to MOVIES; USB on the Oppo menu, you can play AVCHD right off the camera.

So, I'd presume you could put AVCHD on a USB stick or USB hard drive (formatted to FAT, not NTFS) and you should get the same result.

Chris
post #453 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Ka1hode View Post

I don't know much about conversion of AVCHD, but if you plug the camera, by USB, into the Oppo front panel connector, then go to MOVIES; USB on the Oppo menu, you can play AVCHD right off the camera.

So, I'd presume you could put AVCHD on a USB stick or USB hard drive (formatted to FAT, not NTFS) and you should get the same result.

Chris

yes, but here's the rub:

I can play directly from the memory card if it retains the exact structure the camera writes to it.

If I copy the actual MTS file (avchd video) to either the media server or to the memory card, outside of the directory structure, then the Oppo won't play it.

I've seen this before; it's a silly limitation as the player is clearly capable of playing AVCHD files. I'm really hoping Oppo fixes this; if they can do that AND add support for WAV playback, then I have the complete replacement for my PS3 as a media playback device!
post #454 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

yes, but here's the rub:

I can play directly from the memory card if it retains the exact structure the camera writes to it.

If I copy the actual MTS file (avchd video) to either the media server or to the memory card, outside of the directory structure, then the Oppo won't play it.

I've seen this before; it's a silly limitation as the player is clearly capable of playing AVCHD files. I'm really hoping Oppo fixes this; if they can do that AND add support for WAV playback, then I have the complete replacement for my PS3 as a media playback device!

I don't think what you're describing is uncommon. Most (if not all) players require that data files be packaged a specific way.
post #455 of 2291
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Originally Posted by dizziness View Post

Try using the latest build here: http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/view...php?f=7&t=1635

Be sure to open the application package and drop a custom "oppo.conf" file into /Applications/PS3\\ Media\\ Server.app/Contents/Resources/Java/renderers/

The text of the conf file is:

Code:
# ps3mediaserver renderer profile for Oppo BDP-83 
# Refer to PS3.conf for help

RendererName=Oppo BDP-83
UserAgentSearch=IPI/1.0 UPnP/1.0 DLNADOC/1.50
Video=true
Audio=true
Image=true
SeekByTime=false
TranscodeVideo=MPEGAC3
TranscodeAudio=PCM
DefaultVBVBufSize=true
MuxH264ToMpegTS=true
MuxDTSToMpeg=true
WrapDTSIntoPCM=false
MuxLPCMToMpeg=false
MaxVideoBitrateMbps=40
MaxVideoWidth=0
MaxVideoHeight=0
H264Level41Limited=true
TranscodeExtensions=hdmov,hdm,flac,fla,dts,ogg,asf,asx,m2v,m4a,mov,mp4,iso,avi
StreamExtensions=mkv,jpg,mp3,mpg,pcm,png,vob

I created this file and added it as suggested; also downloaded the latest beta of PS3 Mediaserver software.

It works even better now -- HD rips encoded in AVC with .mkv containers now play smoothly with a much lower network data rate required.

I'm still struggling with one last item; most of my iTunes library is AIFF uncompressed files. According to the link provided above, the latest beta of PS3Mediaserver supposedly supports AIFF, but when I added "aif" or "aiff" to the "Transcode Extensions" list above, it doesn't work. The Oppo starts playing the stream, but all you hear is white noise. Is there a better way to have PS3Mediaserver convert AIFF files to PCM for playback by the Oppo?
post #456 of 2291
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Originally Posted by uberanalyst View Post

I created this file and added it as suggested; also downloaded the latest beta of PS3 Mediaserver software.

It works even better now -- HD rips encoded in AVC with .mkv containers now play smoothly with a much lower network data rate required.

I'm still struggling with one last item; most of my iTunes library is AIFF uncompressed files. According to the link provided above, the latest beta of PS3Mediaserver supposedly supports AIFF, but when I added "aif" or "aiff" to the "Transcode Extensions" list above, it doesn't work. The Oppo starts playing the stream, but all you hear is white noise. Is there a better way to have PS3Mediaserver convert AIFF files to PCM for playback by the Oppo?

you need to transcode to mp3. transcoding to PCM using PS3Media server does not work.

I've tried it with both the Linux and OSX builds. it just ends up white noise.

And my audio media is WAV and Apple Lossless
post #457 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

you need to transcode to mp3. transcoding to PCM using PS3Media server does not work.

I've tried it with both the Linux and OSX builds. it just ends up white noise.

Thanks, but that's really disappointing, since I was hoping to preserve uncompressed audio quality.
post #458 of 2291
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Originally Posted by uberanalyst View Post

Thanks, but that's really disappointing, since I was hoping to preserve uncompressed audio quality.

yep - agreed.

transcoding is also a non-starter since it usually mucks with things like time (elapsed, total, remaining) and the ability to FFWD/RWD....

if they can solve at least the WAV and MTS issue, then I have what I need.

--

I still wonder if it's possible to convert MTS to MKV without re-encoding the audio/video, but can't really determine. Seems MKV is a container, so I thought in theory I could take the H.264 video and AAC audio out of the MTS container (is that a container?) and put it into MKV, which the Oppo is supposed to support.

oh well. time to research
post #459 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

yep - agreed.

transcoding is also a non-starter since it usually mucks with things like time (elapsed, total, remaining) and the ability to FFWD/RWD....

if they can solve at least the WAV and MTS issue, then I have what I need.

--

I still wonder if it's possible to convert MTS to MKV without re-encoding the audio/video, but can't really determine. Seems MKV is a container, so I thought in theory I could take the H.264 video and AAC audio out of the MTS container (is that a container?) and put it into MKV, which the Oppo is supposed to support.

oh well. time to research

I have MKV examples with AVC video and AAC audio that work both locally and over DLNA. I don't doubt there are limits on the encoding parameters.

-Bill
post #460 of 2291
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I have MKV examples with AVC video and AAC audio that work both locally and over DLNA. I don't doubt there are limits on the encoding parameters.

-Bill

well, after reading a little more it seems that muxing the audio and video streams into an MKV container should be possible without re-encoding.

That would be an acceptable (though time consuming solution) should Oppo not come through and just support the damn MTS files directly, outside of the camcorder directory structure.
post #461 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

I still wonder if it's possible to convert MTS to MKV without re-encoding the audio/video, but can't really determine. Seems MKV is a container, so I thought in theory I could take the H.264 video and AAC audio out of the MTS container (is that a container?) and put it into MKV, which the Oppo is supposed to support.

oh well. time to research

You can do this by demuxing the MTS file in tsMuxeR and then combining them to an MKV file in mkvmerge. There is no re-encoding required and the whole process only takes a couple of minutes.
post #462 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

That would be an acceptable (though time consuming solution) should Oppo not come through and just support the damn MTS files directly, outside of the camcorder directory structure.

tsMuxeR also will create the AVCHD directory structure for you by just inputting a mts or mkv file. This also only takes a few mintues. This will work for local usb but I don't believe the Oppo supports it over DLNA. Also, if your original file is greater than 4 GB you'll need to use the split by size option (at 4 GB) so it will comply with the FAT32 file size limitations. My experience with playback with mulitiple m2ts files is a brief (1-3 second) pause between them.
post #463 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Macanudo View Post

Has anyone had any luck streaming from a Windows Home Server? I can see the folders in the server, but none of the actual files! Everything plays fine on PS3?

Anyone else have any luck with a WHS box? I tried mine (with Oppo 83) and was able to play some video files fine (I even have TwonkyServer disabled on the box).

Strangely though when I browsed to my Original sized Photos (~3-4MB Jpegs from 10MegPix camera) I couldn't get any of the images to display correctly.

The 83 just had a black screen and the front display slowly went through a count that I assume was the # of image in that folder.

PS - I'm not inclined to mess around with it much as I have a long HDMI cable from a PC to my AVR in the livingroom but if it's an easy setup I'd like to work it out.
post #464 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Beaker1024 View Post

Anyone else have any luck with a WHS box? I tried mine (with Oppo 83) and was able to play some video files fine (I even have TwonkyServer disabled on the box).

Strangely though when I browsed to my Original sized Photos (~3-4MB Jpegs from 10MegPix camera) I couldn't get any of the images to display correctly.

The 83 just had a black screen and the front display slowly went through a count that I assume was the # of image in that folder.

PS - I'm not inclined to mess around with it much as I have a long HDMI cable from a PC to my AVR in the livingroom but if it's an easy setup I'd like to work it out.

The DLNA spec restricts the maximum size of images (JPG or PNG) it will serve to 4096 x 4096 pixels - and that's if the WHS mediaserver implementation of DLNA supports the LARGE format. The next size limit down (MEDIUM) from that is 1024 x 768.

Try scaling one of your photos down to a size under either one of those setpoints and see which one is the limit for your version of WHS.

If you were able to "play some video files fine" with Twonky off, then I'm betting they were MPG's. All DLNA servers and players are required to support them.

Chris
post #465 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frank_t View Post

yes, but here's the rub:

I can play directly from the memory card if it retains the exact structure the camera writes to it.

If I copy the actual MTS file (avchd video) to either the media server or to the memory card, outside of the directory structure, then the Oppo won't play it.

I've seen this before; it's a silly limitation as the player is clearly capable of playing AVCHD files. I'm really hoping Oppo fixes this; if they can do that AND add support for WAV playback, then I have the complete replacement for my PS3 as a media playback device!

I wonder if the Oppo can play VC-1 or HD Audio form AVCHD on an USB stick or USB hard drive. has someone tried that ? it shouldn't be any problem with MPEG-2 - it is in AVCHD specs
post #466 of 2291
Hi, I'm new to the forum. I've downloaded fresh PS3 Media Server but I'm unable to follow this:
Quote:


Be sure to open the application package and drop a custom "oppo.conf" file into /Applications/PS3\\ Media\\ Server.app/Contents/Resources/Java/renderers/

I'm running Windows 7 and I tried to search it everywhere.
To me, "Open application package" is most likely means to open pms.jar, but I didn't find anything suitable as the directory mentioned...
post #467 of 2291
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Originally Posted by frodofm View Post

I'm running Windows 7 and I tried to search it everywhere.

Those are the MacOS instructions.
post #468 of 2291
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frodofm
I'm running Windows 7 and I tried to search it everywhere.
Those are the MacOS instructions.

Should I do anything special like this for Win then?
post #469 of 2291
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Originally Posted by Ka1hode View Post

The DLNA spec restricts the maximum size of images (JPG or PNG) it will serve to 4096 x 4096 pixels - and that's if the WHS mediaserver implementation of DLNA supports the LARGE format. The next size limit down (MEDIUM) from that is 1024 x 768.

Try scaling one of your photos down to a size under either one of those setpoints and see which one is the limit for your version of WHS.

If you were able to "play some video files fine" with Twonky off, then I'm betting they were MPG's. All DLNA servers and players are required to support them.

Chris

Chris - Thanks for the information! That explains things nicely. Since I can just as easily switch to my PC Video/Audio and use Win7's MCE and show all the images from original size (only because I'm lazy don't want duplicate in diff resolution files) I think I'll stick with that way.

Yah it was good old (Got to love them because they just work everywhere) MPeg-2 file for the video that worked. Would be nice if someday all audio/video were 100% supported everywhere no setting up of streaming servers, tinkering to get best settings,etc.

We need the magic hardware that knows 100% codecs perfect no streaming limits or conversions needed. Ok I'll return to reality now.
post #470 of 2291
Is this a possible solution?

h ttp://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=258885

External HD, DLNA compatible -> Ethernet -> USB Adapter -> Oppo USB

I think you can see Avi and subtitles. But I am not sure. Any idea?
post #471 of 2291
People seem to be having good luck with Serviio. Did people have to adjust the profiles.xml file to use Serviio? I cannot get the BDP-83 to see the server.

I was able to get the PS3 Media Server to be seen by the Oppo with the adjustments at the top of this thread, but it would not navigate past top level name of the server.
post #472 of 2291
[quote=wmcclain;17910002]Not working at all, or producing blocky video? These links referencing a Mediatek problem appeared in the main thread last month:

-Bill[/QUOTE
I have read through this but still don't quite understand where to put the code.
on the Advanced Tab at the bottom I have
b- adapt=2:rc-lookahead=50
Does the code go after this?

On the menu Tools/options/advanced there is nowhere to put anything.

Help would be appreciated.

Many thanks
post #473 of 2291
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Originally Posted by mikeesnz View Post

I have read through this but still don't quite understand where to put the code.
on the Advanced Tab at the bottom I have
b- adapt=2:rc-lookahead=50
Does the code go after this?

On the menu Tools/options/advanced there is nowhere to put anything.

Help would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Yes the code goes after that. Simply add :weightp=0 to those options shown at the bottom of Handbrake's Advanced tab.
post #474 of 2291
Just installed Twonky on a WinXP machine with an intent to play DVD ripped VOBs. Streaming through the home network the BDP-83 was able to play VOB but then when I fast forward, it is permanently stuck and the player stops responding at times. I only edited the client.db file to point to the BDP-83. Didn't take time to edit the *.location files since I don't have ffmpeg on that machine. Does that have to do anything with the fast forward issue?
The oppo has the following firmware..

Main: BDP83-48-1224
Loader: BE2650 85752650
Sub: MCU83-25-0811
Chip: 0b:00:01:00

Should I try PS3 media server for VOBs and not worry about twonky?
Thanks,
-Jai
post #475 of 2291
I've seen the same trouble with fast forwarding on the 83, when using Twonky as the server, but I don't know if it is the 83 or the server, or the combo. I've done not editing on the twonky settings.
post #476 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jmcomp124 View Post


Should I try PS3 media server for VOBs and not worry about twonky?
Thanks,
-Jai

TVersity will work too.
post #477 of 2291
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

TVersity will work too.

I tried PS3 Media center and couldn't get it to be seen by the Oppo. Tversity worked, but it has the same problem as Twonky with forward. Well, it looks like a BDP-83 problem now rather than twonky or tversity.
Thanks,
-Jai
post #478 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jmcomp124 View Post

I tried PS3 Media center and couldn't get it to be seen by the Oppo. Tversity worked, but it has the same problem as Twonky with forward. Well, it looks like a BDP-83 problem now rather than twonky or tversity.
Thanks,
-Jai

Be patient with the PS3 Media Server. It can take up to 2 minutes before the Oppo sees the server. Also be patient when making selections in the PS3 Media Server folders. Sometimes they can take a minute to open up.
post #479 of 2291
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Originally Posted by kwolfman View Post

Be patient with the PS3 Media Server. It can take up to 2 minutes before the Oppo sees the server. Also be patient when making selections in the PS3 Media Server folders. Sometimes they can take a minute to open up.

I am giving up on the VOB streaming with the BDP-83 because I now believe that the media server is not the issue but the Oppo. The issue again is the fast forward issue I mentioned earlier.

Right now, I have just one goal for UPnP and that is to play my ripped CDs over the network with the BDP-83. The CDs are in WMA lossless format that the BDP-83 does not support. Since I like lossless, I think the best/only option maybe to transcode in the media player on the server side to LPCM that the Oppo can play. It appears that foobar2000 will work for this. I tried installing foobar2000 but again it is not being seen by the Oppo over the network.

To summarize
Tversirty and Twonky are easily seen by my Oppo in the home network.
PS3 Media player and foobar are not seen for some reason. In the router, there is a UPnP option and there is somethign called an "Advertisment period" which was by default set to 30 minutes, I reduced it to 1 minute.

This is what the help says..

"The Advertisement Period is how often the router will advertise (broadcast) its UPnP information. This value can range from 1 to 1440 minutes. The default period is for 30 minutes. Shorter durations will ensure that control points have current device status at the expense of additional network traffic. Longer durations may compromise the freshness of the device status but can significantly reduce network traffic."


I still couldn't get foobar to be seen by the oppo. IN foobar, under
tools->UPnP->Server->Basic Settings/Status the media server and renderer are started. Port (HTTP) is 56923.
Is there anything else I can try to get foobar to work with the BDP-83.
What am I doing wrong?
Again, the intent is to play WMA lossless from the server to the BDP-83 and transcode in the server to LPCM that the BDP-83 can play.
Does Tversity or Twonky trasncode WMA lossless to LPCM? If so that maybe an option.
Thanks,
-Jai
post #480 of 2291
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Originally Posted by jmcomp124 View Post

I am giving up on the VOB streaming with the BDP-83 because I now believe that the media server is not the issue but the Oppo. The issue again is the fast forward issue I mentioned earlier.

Right now, I have just one goal for UPnP and that is to play my ripped CDs over the network with the BDP-83. The CDs are in WMA lossless format that the BDP-83 does not support. Since I like lossless, I think the best/only option maybe to transcode in the media player on the server side to LPCM that the Oppo can play. It appears that foobar2000 will work for this. I tried installing foobar2000 but again it is not being seen by the Oppo over the network.

...

If your main objective is streaming audio, then use Asset UPnP server. It's very easy to setup and use: 10 minutes to playing the first song including download, install, & setup (did not RTFM - didn't have to). I use FLAC so can't say how well WMA is upported, but 16 and 24 bit FLAC are handled very well.

I tried a couple of DLNA servers and this server's free version was the easiest to setup and targeted for listening to music. Worked first time every time. Look here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...59&postcount=1 and http://www.dbpoweramp.com/asset-upnp-dlna.htm to get started with AssetUPnP.

Styln
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