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post #121 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Givmeabrek View Post

Interesting, the 55C7000 is now back at Amazon with a new release date of March 8. Only time will tell.

The 55" was never gone, only the 40" was and is still missing.
post #122 of 1059
Just a quick question. Is the main difference between the C7000 and C8000 the local dimming on the C8000?
post #123 of 1059
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Originally Posted by darkvader View Post

The 55" was never gone, only the 40" was and is still missing.

It was down for a day as was the 46. I know because I ordered the 55 and it disappeared shortly after. They both came back on with a new release date just today. Changed from 2/28 to 3/8.
post #124 of 1059
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Originally Posted by RodChester View Post

Just a quick question. Is the main difference between the C7000 and C8000 the local dimming on the C8000?

Here are the differences:
CES 2010: Samsung unveils C9000, C8000 & C7000 LED-TVs
post #125 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Bambooben View Post

Here are the differences:
CES 2010: Samsung unveils C9000, C8000 & C7000 LED-TVs

Thanks for the link. Looks like I was right and the C8000 features local dimming LEDs, where the C7000 does not.
post #126 of 1059
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Originally Posted by RodChester View Post

Thanks for the link. Looks like I was right and the C8000 features local dimming LEDs, where the C7000 does not.

Just have in mind: This article is 4 weeks old, and still nearly nothing is confirmed, especially the LD Technologie for the 8000 series is just a guess right now.
Even as i expect it there, Samsung never said "it will have local dimming".
post #127 of 1059
post #128 of 1059
40C7000 is back at amazon. 16. april
post #129 of 1059
I will be pretty disappointed if Samsung doesn't offer some 52" LCD's. It's not that I wouldn't want a 55". It's just that I would like the option to get all of the technology in a model line, for less money in a 52" (which is big enough for our family room).

Samsung had already excluded model lines from our consideration in the past with its reflective Ultra Clear Panels (a 7 series with a matte screen would've been great for us) and red Touch of Color. If we can get a comparable 52" LCD from another manufacturer for significantly less than a 55" Samsung, then I don't see how we could go with a Samsung.

And beyond my personal preferences, I think it's a bad business decision because there will very likely be big price differences between the 46" and 55" models. I bet a lot of consumers will look at those differences and just conclude that 46" is big enough, 55" is too big, the price difference isn't worth it to them (or they can't afford it), or they may even go with another brand. So again, I hope we see some 52" Samsung LCD's in 2010 (particularly 6 series and 7 series).
post #130 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Dean The Machine View Post

Hands on C8000:
http://translate.google.de/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Man, thank you so much for that link. I've been looking everywhere for the first reviews to come in. Looks like the new models are a good improvement over 2009.
post #131 of 1059
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Originally Posted by vitoandolini View Post

So again, I hope we see some 52" Samsung LCD's in 2010 (particularly 6 series and 7 series).

I bet you will be dissapointed. 55" is the new 52". Productionwise 52" doen't make much sense anymore, and to have sets at 46, 52 and 55 in the same line wouldn't make sense at all.
post #132 of 1059
Anybody know how much these C9000 TVs are going to run? I'm currently using a Samsung 52" LNT5265F time to go bigger

65" should be what, 4 Grand and up I'd assume?
post #133 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Dankir View Post

Anybody know how much these C9000 TVs are going to run? I'm currently using a Samsung 52" LNT5265F time to go bigger

65" should be what, 4 Grand and up I'd assume?

9000 is only announced in 46" and 55" yet. For 65" you should focus on the 8000series. But as the 55C7000 is alread 3300,- i would expect more than 4k for the 65" set.
post #134 of 1059
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Originally Posted by darkvader View Post

I bet you will be dissapointed. 55" is the new 52". Productionwise 52" doen't make much sense anymore, and to have sets at 46, 52 and 55 in the same line wouldn't make sense at all.

I agree with your last statement about having 46, 52, and 55 in the same model line. But it's a big jump from 46" to 55". There will very likely be a big price difference for the TV, and then people are going to have to pay a premium for a media console or stand to house a 55" HDTV over a 52". What I would expect is the production of 52" displays in the lower model lines (at least up to the 5 series and maybe up to the 6 series).

Making 55" "the new 52" makes retail prices higher than they would be if 52" models were released. As a result, that many more people will probably hold off on a purchase or even go to another brand.
post #135 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Dean The Machine View Post

Hands on C8000:
http://translate.google.de/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Great link. The C8000 is shaping up to be an awesome set. The 65incher will be mine I tell you!!
post #136 of 1059
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Originally Posted by vitoandolini View Post

What I would expect is the production of 52" displays in the lower model lines (at least up to the 5 series and maybe up to the 6 series).

As i said - it's a matter of production and using the production lines (especially for the LCD panel mother glasses) as efficient as possible. If they would use 52" instead of 55" they couldn't produce one set more out of the motherglases, so the main cost factor, the LCD panel itself would cost the same as the 55". There would be just some small savings in logistics or plastic for the bezel, but at the end the prize diffrence would be much smaller than you might expect.
post #137 of 1059
Well hopefully this will help with the worries about high prices on the new Samsungs.

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...3qShvJMawXdRXQ

It looks like Samsung wants to be aggressive with the pricing on their 2010 lineup.
post #138 of 1059
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Originally Posted by darkvader View Post

I bet you will be dissapointed. 55" is the new 52". Productionwise 52" doen't make much sense anymore, and to have sets at 46, 52 and 55 in the same line wouldn't make sense at all.

I think you're right. And I am very disappointed. 46" is too small for my setup. 55" may not be too big, but the price premium maybe to much for me.

So far the only 52" inch TV for 2010 that I have seen is the Sony ex700, but that has an LED premium.

I was hoping Samsung was going to have a 52" for the C630 series, but no. If the price is right, I may get a 55c630, but I can't wait until Xmas deals.
post #139 of 1059
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Originally Posted by RodChester View Post

Well hopefully this will help with the worries about high prices on the new Samsungs.

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...3qShvJMawXdRXQ

It looks like Samsung wants to be aggressive with the pricing on their 2010 lineup.

$1,700 for the UN40C6500 and $2,000 for the 7000 doesn't seem very aggressive to me.
post #140 of 1059
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Originally Posted by MechanicalMan View Post

$1,700 for the UN40C6500 and $2,000 for the 7000 doesn't seem very aggressive to me.

Well that is MSRP so by the time they get to retail I figure a discount of a couple hundred dollars will come in to play as well.
post #141 of 1059
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Originally Posted by darkvader View Post

As i said - it's a matter of production and using the production lines (especially for the LCD panel mother glasses) as efficient as possible. If they would use 52" instead of 55" they couldn't produce one set more out of the motherglases, so the main cost factor, the LCD panel itself would cost the same as the 55". There would be just some small savings in logistics or plastic for the bezel, but at the end the prize diffrence would be much smaller than you might expect.

I thought that's where you were going with your point. I don't disagree, but my opinions were based on actual retail prices (i.e., the Samsung LN55B650 often being just as or even more expensive at retail than the Samsung LN52B750, despite having less features and less "cutting-edge" features). I guess it's a moot point because I'll never know what a 2010 52" Samsung LCD would cost at retail compared to a 55" if Samsung doesn't release any 52 inchers.

And the LN55C650 is $450 cheaper for March pre-order on Amazon than the LN55B650 was in early June (on Amazon). So, I can't complain too much.
post #142 of 1059
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Originally Posted by vitoandolini View Post

I agree with your last statement about having 46, 52, and 55 in the same model line. But it's a big jump from 46" to 55". There will very likely be a big price difference for the TV, and then people are going to have to pay a premium for a media console or stand to house a 55" HDTV over a 52". What I would expect is the production of 52" displays in the lower model lines (at least up to the 5 series and maybe up to the 6 series).

Making 55" "the new 52" makes retail prices higher than they would be if 52" models were released. As a result, that many more people will probably hold off on a purchase or even go to another brand.

Just wait a little while for the 55" prices to drop. On Amazon, there is a $700 difference at full list price. This will narrow as street prices drop. You will be able to pickup the 55" for less than the cost of the 46" at intro when prices come down later. Just buy the 55" when the timing is right.
post #143 of 1059
Note that the list prices are hundreds of dollars less than the 2009 models. Also, the border on the 55" is smaller than the 2009 52" so the overall TV size is not much bigger. /Dan
post #144 of 1059
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Originally Posted by darkvader View Post

I bet you will be dissapointed. 55" is the new 52". Productionwise 52" doen't make much sense anymore, and to have sets at 46, 52 and 55 in the same line wouldn't make sense at all.

I always thought a 6" difference should have been like this. 40", 46", 52" and 58". 46" to 55" seems like a big jump in size to me.
post #145 of 1059
This is kind of odd. I was looking over the C7000 listing at Amazon and noticed that the HDMI ports are listed as 1.3. Vanns.com's pre-order page also list the C7000 as having 1.3 HDMI ports.

I was under the impression that for 3D HDMI 1.4 was required. Could this just be a misprint with the pre-order pages not having all the product specs or does the 7000 series of Samsungs really have 1.3v HDMI?
post #146 of 1059
best buy sku's, prices, and release date.

nothing on the c9000 in system yet.

03/14/2010
9784408 SAMSUNG INC UN46C6500V SAMSUNG 46" LED 6500 SERIES 10 $2,099.99
9790815 SAMSUNG INC UN55C6500V SAMSUNG 55" CLASS 6500 SERIES $2,799.99
9783551 SAMSUNG INC UN40C7000W SAMSUNG 40" 7000 SERIES 1080P $1,999.99
9783533 SAMSUNG INC UN55C7000W SAMSUNG 55" LED 7000 SERIES 10 $3,399.99

05/03/2010
9784693 SAMSUNG INC UN46C8000X SAMSUNG 46" LED 8000 SERIES 10 $2,299.99
9798538 SAMSUNG INC UN55C8000X SAMSUNG 55" 8000 SERIES 1080P $3,499.99

05/16/2010
9809004 SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS UN32C6500V SAMSUNG 32" CLASS 6500 SERIES $1,099.98
post #147 of 1059
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Originally Posted by youngryu View Post

9783533 SAMSUNG INC UN55C7000W SAMSUNG 55" LED 7000 SERIES 10 $3,399.99

9798538 SAMSUNG INC UN55C8000X SAMSUNG 55" 8000 SERIES 1080P $3,499.99

Just 100 more for the 8000 series? Considering that your prices are right, that makes me doubt that we see a much more improved picture quality there....
post #148 of 1059
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Originally Posted by RodChester View Post

Could this just be a misprint with the pre-order pages not having all the product specs or does the 7000 series of Samsungs really have 1.3v HDMI?

Take a look at the link in #127 they have an 8000 Set and claim that it's HDMI 1.4.
post #149 of 1059
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Originally Posted by youngryu View Post

03/14/2010
9784408 SAMSUNG INC UN46C6500V SAMSUNG 46" LED 6500 SERIES 10 $2,099.99

05/03/2010
9784693 SAMSUNG INC UN46C8000X SAMSUNG 46" LED 8000 SERIES 10 $2,299.99

Just took a deeper look, and sorry, but i doubt that 8000series prices. Not only the diffrence between the 55C7000 and 55C8000 makes me curious, but even more the 46" prices.

If the 46" C6500 would cost 2099 and the C8000 2299, than for the C7000 only 2199 would be left which doesnt make sense at all.

As the 46C6500 is priced with 2099,- at Amazon and Vanns as well i believe this is the right price point, but as the 46"C7000 already is priced with 2599 at Amazon which i take as very likely i'm sure that your 8000 prices are wrong.
post #150 of 1059
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Originally Posted by vitoandolini View Post

I bet a lot of consumers will look at those differences and just conclude that 46" is big enough, 55" is too big, the price difference isn't worth it to them (or they can't afford it), or they may even go with another brand. So again, I hope we see some 52" Samsung LCD's in 2010 (particularly 6 series and 7 series).

I say your wrong in your assumptions as I've owned both a 45" and then a 57" and the 45" = no HT immersion the 57" at 8.5' provides it and it was a huge difference as all viewing became new and improved at the larger size.

If your spending this kind of money the goal should be HT immersion and that which excels over the Theater experience and it does. Of course if your goal is to simply WATCH TV the 46" may be fine but if you desire to EXPERIENCE the content being displayed then going with a panel that matches THX viewing distance standards of todays 1080/24P panels then you go for it - from personal experience with both sizes the smaller panel is viewed while the larger HT size is EXPERIENCED and the WoW doesn't go away 3.5 years later. There is a reason that most RPTV's were 60"> --- to provide HT immersion IMPACT and why would Flat Panels be any different? They aren't - size matters unless you simply want to view the content like an old CRT Tube and there is a reason they are now history and good riddens.

Comparatively when I go to a movie theater now I find the theater inferior with the PQ being disappointingly dimmer/duller, full of flicker, grain and the nuisance of the crowd chomping on their snacks like cattle and their gadgets and talking is quite annoying and I find movies on my TV via BluRay with surround sound superior to the movie theater. Go larger and you don't need to deal with a Movie House.


Go BIG and Experience HT!
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