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post #301 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Fred69 View Post

I was there at Fry's Sunnyvale around noon -- small world ha? In one of the scenes where this pendulum glyph swings back and fourth on a black background, did you notice if you saw some flashlighting in the lower right and left corner? I'd like to get a second opinion on this.

LOL, we probably walked by each other, that's when I was there. If you saw a short, thin white dude monkeying with the remote, that was me!

I missed any scenes with black background, so I was unable to evaluate flashlighting. I'll be looking at it again, I'd like to try to sneak some pictures.
post #302 of 1059
Wassup with all the bro's up there in the Silicon Valley? No work today? lolz
post #303 of 1059
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Originally Posted by kevinmscs View Post

Wassup with all the bro's up there in the Silicon Valley? No work today? lolz

Lunch at Fry's!
post #304 of 1059
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

Lunch at Fry's!

Oh yeah that Sunnyvale one still offers hot dogs? lolz. We dont have lunch at Fry's no more down here in Socal!
post #305 of 1059
What should I buy, B8500 or C8000? I just want a little help from the masters.
post #306 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

What should I buy, B8500 or C8000? I just want a little help from the masters.

You can't ask a question like that right now. There are no hardcore reviews out yet, so even the "masters" can't give you the right answer.

That being said, the b8500 has some crazy good prices right now as shops are trying to get rid of them. Check out slickdeals.net forum for some good deals people are finding.
post #307 of 1059
One would be wise to avoid all Samsung LED TVs this year, seeing as they're all edge-lit. No matter what may be said, Samsung just hasn't found a way of eliminating flashlighting from its TVs.
post #308 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Vexxmania View Post

One would be wise to avoid all Samsung LED TVs this year, seeing as they're all edge-lit. No matter what may be said, Samsung just hasn't found a way of eliminating flashlighting from its TVs.

I cannot see any flashlighting on C8000 in the short movie on youtube. I think C8000 can be free of flashlighting. The corners seem to be as black as the middle of the top and bottom when I watch it.
...youtube.com/watch?v=s5AhHbOR65g
post #309 of 1059
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Originally Posted by michaelmichael View Post

I cannot see any flashlighting on C8000 in the short movie on youtube. I think C8000 can be free of flashlighting. The corners seem to be as black as the middle of the top and bottom when I watch it.
...youtube.com/watch?v=s5AhHbOR65g

That's because that one was filmed in a well-lit area. I imagine the situation will be very different once all the lights are off.
post #310 of 1059
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Originally Posted by midnightman View Post

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FYI, there was already one customer's review about the UN55C7000

The same reviewer had some real interesting comments on Cnet's take on black levels:

"Let's get straight to the point. This is the local dimming LED television we have all been waiting for. It is the best television available today. Yes, it's even better than the famed Pioneer Kuro 151. I owned a Kuro 151 for over a year and I can tell you with 100% certainty that this television outperforms it in every regard. The black level on this 8500 is literally twice as dark as the Pioneer Kuro. The black level on this television is so dark, endless, and infinite that you can't even imagine it. The black level is so dark that the entire television disappears if you are viewing it in a completely darkened room and the scene goes completely dim before switching to the next scene. I'm not exaggerating. You literally can't see the television at all anymore when the scene goes completely dim. It's like the black of being in a completely pitch black cave. I'm not sure it should even be called a black level on this television because it's not a level of black. When I say that, I mean there is no possible way you could measure it. It is legitimately pitch black. It's as dark as you can possibly imagine. If you want to have a little fun, go to CNET and read their review of the Sony XBR8. In the review, they discuss how the XBR8 is capable of achieving a darker black level than the Kuro during certain scenes. Now go and read their review for the 8500. In the review, they discuss how the 8500 achieves a much darker level of black than the XBR8 and how the black level performance is vastly superior to the XBR8. However they also try to say that the 8500 achieves the second darkest level of black -- after the Kuro -- they have ever seen. Well, you can't talk about how the XBR8 can get darker than the Kuro, then discuss how the 8500 achieves a much darker black level than the XBR8, but then try to say that the 8500 has only the second darkest black level you've ever seen. CNET, this makes you come across as hypocritical idiots. It also clearly brings out your bias for plasma, especially Pioneer Plasma. I owned the Kuro 151, and I am now the owner of the 8500. If you compared the black level of these two televisions side by side, it wouldn't even be close. A Plasma simply cannot go 100% literal black. The individual plasma cells can go completely dim, but they still have an electric current flowing through them, and they still have to use a black filter to keep from showing the light of the current in them. The Pioneer Kuro can go very dark and achieves an amazing inky black, but a local dimming LED -- when done correctly -- can completely shut out every single bit of light to any given area of the panel. This results in a black level that is so dark it cannot be measured. It is the only way to achieve legitimate black. Let's discuss a few other performance aspects of this television. Words cannot describe the colors on this television. The color accuracy is absolutely flawless. The 240Hz with LED motion plus resoloves all 1080 moving lines. This is one of the only televisions ever made that can resolove all 1080 moving lines. This television exhibits no blooming whatsoever. The extreme contrast ratio makes the glossy screen a non issue. The only way you will ever notice the glossy screen is if you are viewing a really dark film in a brightly sunlit room. If you are viewing bright content such as sporting events in a room that is full of sunlight with a window directly facing the television, you would not see any reflection whatsoever. The glossy screen and ultra clear panel also help this television preserve an identical level of black regardless of room lighting conditions. I also own the XBR8 and while the matte screen is great for a room with a window facing the television, the matte screen does not allow the television to preserve the exact same level of black. It definitely still achieves an incredible level of black, but I just wanted to mention this for anybody who is considering matte vs. glossy. This television is simply the best. I hope this helps. Thank you."
post #311 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

What should I buy, B8500 or C8000? I just want a little help from the masters.

This question might help:

Do you want a 3D TV?
post #312 of 1059
Does not have to have 3D but I do like some of the new features of the C8000 such as the PVR,the faster Samsung Apps and the Silver Finish. I have heard the 8500's are slow.
post #313 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

Does not have to have 3D but I do like some of the new features of the C8000 such as the PVR,the faster Samsung Apps and the Silver Finish. I have heard the 8500's are slow.

Yes, pvr would be a cool feature. But my bet would be it is only on the European model, just like EPG is only for Europe in the B series...... Prove me wrong Samsung!
post #314 of 1059
There hasn't been much discussion of the CCFL models here, but I'm beginning to believe the panel lottery is over, as I was unable to find an LN40C550 that wasn't a 'C' panel.
post #315 of 1059
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There hasn't been much discussion of the CCFL models here, but I'm beginning to believe the panel lottery is over, as I was unable to find an LN40C550 that wasn't a 'C' panel.


are you serious? all 40C550s were C Panels? how many did u go through?

i need to buy a second LCD for my other bedroom (i got the ln37b550 a month ago), doesnt matter if its a 40 or a 37 inch but this time id like to get an S panel even though the A panel in my 37 inch b550 is great.


Man i was thinking they would end the panel lottery and stick to S Panels..
post #316 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Mike999 View Post

There hasn't been much discussion of the CCFL models here, but I'm beginning to believe the panel lottery is over, as I was unable to find an LN40C550 that wasn't a 'C' panel.

You should consider fixing the sentence because your contradicting yourself.


However, I highly doubt Samsung would stop outsourcing panels. They gain money by doing so
post #317 of 1059
So do you guys think I should jump on an 8500 or do you think the C8000 pin point dimming will out perform the 8500.
post #318 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

So do you guys think I should jump on an 8500 or do you think the C8000 pin point dimming will out perform the 8500.

Anyone's guess at this point, although most will probably predict the 8500 would be better.
post #319 of 1059
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Originally Posted by bk.secret23 View Post

You should consider fixing the sentence because your contradicting yourself.

However, I highly doubt Samsung would stop outsourcing panels. They gain money by doing so

It's not a contradiction. What I'm saying is that it appears as if Samsung is no longer going to use two different panels for some models. They will use only one panel type for each model, but it won't necessarily be made by Samsung. Assuming I'm right, there would be no lottery, since everyone who buys a given model will get the same panel.

Of course I could be wrong, but I looked all over town today, and couldn't find a single LN40C550 that was an 'S' panel.
post #320 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Mike999 View Post

It's not a contradiction. What I'm saying is that it appears as if Samsung is no longer going to use two different panels for some models. They will use only panel type for each model, but it won't necessarily be made by Samsung. There would be no lottery, since everyone who buys a given model will get the same panel.

Of course I could be wrong, but I looked all over town today, and I couldn't find a single LN40C550 that was an 'S' panel.

Hold on, so all the C550 you've seen have 'C' panels?
Sorry, I thought by 'no more panel lottery' you meant that all televisions contain samsung panels.
post #321 of 1059
Thanks for the help. I am going to buy the 8500. I was just hoping I could get some info and specs on the C8000 that would push me to buy it but I can't wait forever with the 8500 supply getting lower and lower.
post #322 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

Thanks for the help. I am going to buy the 8500. I was just hoping I could get some info and specs on the C8000 that would push me to buy it but I can't wait forever with the 8500 supply getting lower and lower.

let us know your thoughts after u buy the 8500. Also would be nice if u provided the pricing u found.
post #323 of 1059
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Originally Posted by bk.secret23 View Post

Hold on, so all the C550 you've seen have 'C' panels?
Sorry, I thought by 'no more panel lottery' you meant that all televisions contain samsung panels.


thats what im wondering right now man.. i have the A panel 37 b550(i like it alot and im gonna keep it, i need another tv for the second bedroom, i was thinking the c550 40 inch or 37 but if they all contrain C panels then HELLLLLLL no im not buying it lol, C panel is the worst of all 3 by all means..

Mike ,can you please check what most of the 37 inch C550 comes with? (as thats what i want to buy for my second bedroom) , Id really appriciate it man, if the 37 inch model comes with an A panel then the 37 inch C550 will be a much better option than the 40 inch C550 cuz as it appears now from your checking, all 40 INCH C550s comes with a C panels, if the 37 C550 comes with an A then its indeed a better choice, of course its a smaller set but a little bit but oh well.. it will come to QUALITY Vs quantity..

I think they stoped the panel lottery too, as in they will use only one type of panel per model, NOT NECESSARILY a samsung panel though
post #324 of 1059
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

thats what im wondering right now man.. i have the A panel 37 b550(i like it alot and im gonna keep it, i need another tv for the second bedroom, i was thinking the c550 40 inch or 37 but if they all contrain C panels then HELLLLLLL no im not buying it lol, C panel is the worst of all 3 by all means..

Again, I couldn't find a single 40C550 with an 'S' panel. It could of course be possible stores will get some in later, but from what I've read, Samsung tends to release 'S' panels early in the model year, and then moves to the cheaper outsourced version later.

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Mike ,can you please check what most of the 37 inch C550 comes with?

I don't think the 37" model has been released yet. I didn't see any in the stores anyway, and they aren't yet available online. Last I checked, the 40C550 was going for a mere $688 at Amazon, which leads me to believe they are all 'C' panels.

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I think they stoped the panel lottery too, as in they will use only one type of panel per model, NOT NECESSARILY a samsung panel though

My guess is they will now only use S-PVA panels in the LED line.
post #325 of 1059
Lots of people have CN panels in their B 650 and have no problems. Samsung panes have much more issues with flashlights and clouding. For my B650 I hoped to get an AA pnel but after the "shock" that it turned out to be a CN I didn't noticed any known issues so far. Quality lottery is maybe not equal to panel lottery
post #326 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

So do you guys think I should jump on an 8500 or do you think the C8000 pin point dimming will out perform the 8500.

I was in the same boat, picked up a un46b8500 yesterday. The pin-point dimming question still remains un-answered, but I figured ...
  • The b8500 is third-generation local dimming.
  • May be the last of the true local-dimming samsungs sets (e.g. edge-lit seems to be taking over; thinking more due to manufactures production costs).
  • The price didn't look good for the c8000 based on how the c7000 were being priced.
  • I heard (e.g. totally second-hand rumor) that they already were thinking about changing the 3D specifications.

The price was right, so I jumped!!!
post #327 of 1059
I would say: If you don't need 3D and if the 8500 sizes are good for you than it's for sure no mistake to take it.
If there would be a 65B8500 in Germany i would take him for sure rather than taking the 65C8000 which i assume i have to buy.....
post #328 of 1059
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Originally Posted by bbucy View Post

[*]I heard (e.g. totally second-hand rumor) that they already were thinking about changing the 3D specifications.

"They" as in Samsung or "they" as in the industry? I know you said its a rumor, but did you get it from a web site or someone that you spoke with? just curious.
post #329 of 1059
Hi

Samsung UNC7000 User Manual

Hope link works

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/de...sub_class_cd=P

Regards
post #330 of 1059
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Originally Posted by bbucy View Post

[*]I heard (e.g. totally second-hand rumor) that they already were thinking about changing the 3D specifications.

I doubt that the BDA will modify the Blu-ray 3D spec. The problem is on the display side. There IS NO standard.
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