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post #391 of 1059
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Originally Posted by midnightman View Post

There is the 2nd review now.

lol yeah, a total fanboy "review". he says nothing even remotely worth while. gotta love objectivity.
post #392 of 1059
Ok, how about the "UN46C7000 review/calibration report" found here?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=18232976
post #393 of 1059
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Originally Posted by midnightman View Post

Ok, how about the "UN46C7000 review/calibration report" found here?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=18232976

id say its a much more objective review (in fact, id say entirely objective). I certainly dont see similarities between the amazon fanboy review and the one you linked from here.

"The LED backlight extinguishes after the set gets a 0% black signal for more than a few seconds; and when that happens, the blacks are amazingly dark. Anything above a 0% signal, even on just a small area of the screen, causes the LEDs to light up and makes the blacks glow in a light controlled room. That is the main disadvantage to the C7000's edge lit LED technology compared to the local dimming LED technology of the B8500: one small area of picture content causes the entire screen's black level to glow, instead of just the area near the picture content as on the B8500.When the C7000's LEDs are lit, it is possible to see a bit of unevenness across a black screen. The corners were slightly brighter than other areas, and there were a few cloudy or milky looking areas"

that certainly doesnt sound good.

"The image had great depth, without even getting into the 3D processing. Contrast was good, but not as good as on a local dimming LED model like the B8500 or a Kuro plasma."

again, not comparing well to the 8500.

id say thats a very good review.
post #394 of 1059
Here's a cell phone image of the C7000 I took at Best Buy today.

It shows the brownish/cappuccino bezel color (next to the B6000) and the flashlighting at the corner:



This shows it next to a Sony completely black bezel:

post #395 of 1059
thats pretty evident even in a cell phone pic
post #396 of 1059
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Originally Posted by henbone11 View Post

thats pretty evident even in a cell phone pic

Exposure and noise are pretty high on that phone pic. But the photographer seems to have noticed this flashlights with his eyes... this it no so positive for the C7000.
post #397 of 1059
You're concerned about this little light in the corner? Would definitely not a problem for me.
post #398 of 1059
More than a few of you may have noticed little presents waiting for you. Please read forum rules at top of forum. No price talk. And, off site links to non-manufacturer web sites selling panels is basically price talk - not allowed. Thanks.

larry
post #399 of 1059
Anyone heard when the un55c8000 will be available? What about the 60 inch screens in the c8000 and c7000 series?
post #400 of 1059
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Originally Posted by WildcatJon View Post

Anyone heard when the un55c8000 will be available? What about the 60 inch screens in the c8000 and c7000 series?

There will be no 60 inch, just 65.
post #401 of 1059
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

More than a few of you may have noticed little presents waiting for you. Please read forum rules at top of forum. No price talk. And, off site links to non-manufacturer web sites selling panels is basically price talk - not allowed. Thanks.

larry

I'm one of the ones that received a warning.
Whatever.
I tried to help other readers out by telling them where they could go see the new sets in person. Won't waste my time again.
post #402 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Bambooben View Post

I'm one of the ones that received a warning.
Whatever.
I tried to help other readers out by telling them where they could go see the new sets in person. Won't waste my time again.

I guess if you don't like the rules of this forum, you could start your own.
post #403 of 1059
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Originally Posted by felsi View Post

You're concerned about this little light in the corner? Would definitely not a problem for me.

Imagine yourself and a few close friends in your dark family room with your PREMIUM television and home theater setup watching a dark movie in Blu Ray, like Batman or Star Trek... Now imagine little men with small (penlight) flashlights standing at all 4 corners of your PREMIUM TV... FOREVER!
post #404 of 1059
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Originally Posted by NoTrix View Post

Imagine yourself and a few close friends in your dark family room with your PREMIUM television and home theater setup watching a dark movie in Blu Ray, like Batman or Star Trek... Now imagine little men with small (penlight) flashlights standing at all 4 corners of your PREMIUM TV... FOREVER!

I doubt that any LCD TV with a deep black level has a completely uniform screen.
post #405 of 1059
Yes, true. But I wouldn't discount flashlighting in ALL 4 CORNERS. I had the 55B6000. Panel was replaced. Then, I had 4 corner flashlighting AND clouding. Some margin for error is okay, but REALLY?
post #406 of 1059
After seeing this picture I think I have finally made up my mind and I am going to buy an 8500 and forget the C8000
post #407 of 1059
No thanks! ToC and the metallic 4-legged stand... it's definitely ugly.
But I hope the PQ does better.
post #408 of 1059
Googling the Web and talking to resellers, the 55C8000 is available for ordering now and the 65" will be shipped in 1 to 2 weeks, depending on who talked to.

On edge lighting, why buy a cheap low end unit and then consider it premium? If the 6000 and/or 7000 have issues (don't know), then I suggest spending more and buy the 8000 series which does not, at least the B8000 has no issue whatsoever. I consider the B8000 well into the unbelievable category of a window on the world, 3D picture even without the new 3D. I also used to prefer a dark room for a better picture but with the 8000 it isn't necessary anymore, the picture is perfect with moderate lighting. I also have my 55" Sammy hanging from the picture frame 'cups' on the wall, the rather nice stand is obviously useless to me.

I'm hoping the new 3D still delivers the same quality of picture as 2D, with both running at the same 240Hz. I hear mixed comments on whether 120Hz for each eye would make a difference. I believe 120Hz to 240Hz makes a difference for 2D, which is why I traded in a 55B7000 for a 55B8000.
post #409 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

After seeing this picture I think I have finally made up my mind and I am going to buy an 8500 and forget the C8000

Your comment doesn't make alot of sense because the c8000 isn't even out yet and it supposedly has "pinpoint dimming". The c7000 does not have pinpoint dimming. I have to see the c8000 before I give up on it and the 3d and get the b8500. Price is very close as well between the two. And I sorta like the stand....
post #410 of 1059
You can't honestly tell me that the C8000 will out perform the B8500. I just don't see how its possible. Samsung does not have any more local dimming TV's because they dont have the tech to do so. That is why the 8500 is no longer made. They took the local dimming tech from Sharp and until they can come up with another solution, edge lit is all your going to get from them.
post #411 of 1059
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Originally Posted by webman78 View Post

You can't honestly tell me that the C8000 will out perform the B8500. I just don't see how its possible. Samsung does not have any more local dimming TV's because they dont have the tech to do so. That is why the 8500 is no longer made. They took the local dimming tech from Sharp and until they can come up with another solution, edge lit is all your going to get from them.

Wherever you heard the legend, forget it. Just a logical question: If the technology would have been from Sharp, why Samsung has sold 3 years LD Modells and Sharp not?

Belive it or not, Samsung is the technology driver over the last years - first LED Backlight sets on the market, first LD sets, first EDGE LED sets....

The reason why Samsung is not developing LD any more is because more people are taking care of the Slim design as of the PQ on the customer side and production cost of EDGE sets are much cheaper on the company side.

As first reliablae sources claim that the C7000 is already close to the 8500, it is very likely that the C8000 comes even closer. And as the LD technology is not perfect as well, probably there will be just other weak points at the C8000 but overall impression could be as good as the 8500.
post #412 of 1059
Thanks for the info. I appreciate you clearing it up. I hope the C8000 is amazing because two Samsung reps I have talk to have said that "on paper" it should out perform the 8500 and they have only seem prototypes.
post #413 of 1059
It seems to be that a TV set's dimming technology is separate from whether it is edge lit or fully back lit, no? So Samsung's pinpoint dimming technology is supposedly an evolution of local dimming, which can be employed in edge lit and/or back lit sets as desired by Samsung.

The new C line models have, in some lines, pinpoint dimming, but no more local dimming. None of them are fully back lit for LED models, unless I am mistaken. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

If the above is true, then I think the real question will be whether the C8000's new pinpoint dimming will be enough to compensate for the move to edge lighting, if you are comparing the C8000 to the B8500 (fully back lit, local dimming). I don't think anyone can guess the answer to that right now, but it's certainly interesting that a rep would say that the C8000 would outperform the B8500 on paper. On paper, the B8500 is back lit and the C8000 is edge lit, which is a significant difference. I would then have to expect the pinpoint dimming technology to be a significant upgrade.
post #414 of 1059
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Originally Posted by darkvader View Post

Belive it or not, Samsung is the technology driver over the last years - first LED Backlight sets on the market, first LD sets, first EDGE LED sets....

I'm pretty sure the first LED backlit sets on the market were from Sony. I seem to remember the Qualia coming out in '04 or '05.
post #415 of 1059
i was at BB today and they had the C7000 i thought it looked great and could see a difference in the C7000 over the B8000 which were side by side the C7000 was much brighter and crisp as hell ZERO flashlighting in the corners all in all i was impressed I also love the cosmetic look
post #416 of 1059
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Originally Posted by rjhiii2002 View Post

On edge lighting, why buy a cheap low end unit and then consider it premium? If the 6000 and/or 7000 have issues (don't know), then I suggest spending more and buy the 8000 series which does not, at least the B8000 has no issue whatsoever.

Obviously, you are delusional. Have you read ANY of the posts on this series? The same panel is used in the 6, 7 AND 8 series. So, the 6 and 7 series led's are cheap low end units because they don't have widgets and 240hz? The 8000 doesn't exhibit flashlighting?!!! Please, READ MORE before you comment...
post #417 of 1059
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Originally Posted by jmace View Post

I'm pretty sure the first LED backlit sets on the market were from Sony. I seem to remember the Qualia coming out in '04 or '05.

You might be right, as they didn't made it to europe i didn't really cared :-)
Samsung brought the first LED i think 2005 / 2006.
post #418 of 1059
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Originally Posted by NoTrix View Post

Obviously, you are delusional. Have you read ANY of the posts on this series? The same panel is used in the 6, 7 AND 8 series. So, the 6 and 7 series led's are cheap low end units because they don't have widgets and 240hz? The 8000 doesn't exhibit flashlighting?!!! Please, READ MORE before you comment...

Can I assume the non-LED panels are the same in the c630, c650, etc? Will they be different than the b750 last year?
post #419 of 1059
Samsung has now updated their website with the new models:

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/t...ail&returnurl=
post #420 of 1059
Did you read my post? My B8000 has zero flashlighting and the 240Hz was clearly better than the B7000 I had before returning it. I said if the 6000/7000 had issues people saw in their sets, then going forward I suggest trying a set which does not exhibit that issue at all. Just extrapolating to the C series, but it sounds better. I've had home theater with projectors and high end HDTV (and laser -> DVD -> HDDVD -> bluray the day they came out) for about 15 years, just trying to share my experience with the best set I've seen.

Also, there is a higher quality material with red finish around the panel in the B8000 not present in the B7000, not sure if that could impact the claimed 'flashlighting' some people have claimed to see.
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