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post #1441 of 2342
So, for a setup with an Anthem MRX300/Triton Twos/50c and the sofa against the rear wall, and in which the Invisa speakers will be the two surround speakers in the ceiling, what would be the ideal model of the three options and why? Also, what would be the ideal location? As far back as possible, which would put them about a foot behind the listening position (in the ceiling), or a foot or two off the back wall right above the lheads in the listening position? If the former, should they fire straight down or aim slightly forward toward the listening position. Thanks!
post #1442 of 2342
Hi, Sorry that I've been a little disconnected here: lots of traveling and then my namesake storm. I would locate them as far back as possible. Thanks, Sandy
post #1443 of 2342
Has anyone connected a 50c to one of the Forcefield subs? If so, did it improve the performance of the center channel? Did it increase the output of the center channel and improve dialogue intelligibility?

Thanks


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post #1444 of 2342
I am contemplating (3) Triton Threes for LCR and Aon 2 s for the (4) back surround for a dedicated home theater behind my AT screen.

Thoughts?
post #1445 of 2342
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Originally Posted by colleycol View Post

I am contemplating (3) Triton Threes for LCR and Aon 2 s for the (4) back surround for a dedicated home theater behind my AT screen.
Thoughts?

If I had the room I'd do it
post #1446 of 2342
Just got my SuperSat 50 L/C/R and SuperSat 30 surrounds installed and am love the sound. Paired with Def SC2000 sub. Thought I would share a picture of the setup....Thanks. GEsupersat.JPG 86k .JPG file
post #1447 of 2342
Nice setup Staiman. I would love to wall mount my front LCR to make room for a sub.
post #1448 of 2342
Just finished installing my Invisa 525s. Now to let them get baked in so I can tune them and my Triton Twos and 50C. The Invisa's had excellent construction, very solidly built product.
post #1449 of 2342
Goldenear Forcefield 5 preliminary specs and Invisa Speakers:

ForceField™ 5 High-Power subwoofer
The response to GoldenEar’s award-winning ForceField 3 and 4
Subwoofers has been simply phenomenal. Their amazing performance
has been compared with much larger and more expensive subs. We
have, however, had consistent demand for something even more:
an over-the-top true super sub. We are pleased to introduce the
latest addition to our subwoofer line up, the ForceField 5.
This extraordinary new subwoofer incorporates all the advanced
technology and innovative concepts introduced in the Force-
Field 3 and 4 in a larger and even more powerful low-frequency
beast. Perfect for music and movies, the ForceField 5’s stunning
impact, superbly musical bass articulation and breathtaking infrasonic
capabilities will leave listeners breathless. The ForceField 5
combines a long-throw 12" subwoofer (which incorporates a huge
high gauss magnet structure) driven by a GoldenEar-designed DSPcontrolled
1500-Watt digital amplifi er and pressure coupled to a
downward-fi ring 12.75" X 14.5" quadratic planar infrasonic radiator.
The ForceField 5's
high-power driver
and pressurecoupled
quadratic
infrasonic radiator
deliver unexcelled
bass performance.



GoldenEar Invisa Series loudspeakers are engineered to
deliver superb state-of-the-art sound quality from in-wall/
in-ceiling speakers that are designed to blend perfectly
with their surroundings and virtually disappear. GoldenEar’s
initial introduction consists of the Invisa 650, Invisa 525 and
the Invisa Home Theater Reference (HTR) 7000. All three
models incorporate a magnetically attached grill-covered/
hidden fl ange construction that helps to make them virtually invisible.
A tremendous amount of work has gone into the acoustical engineering
of the Invisa Series speakers in order to deliver the highest
sound quality possible in an architectural format. All three models
incorporate a High Velocity Folded Ribbon (HVFR) high-frequency
radiator similar to the unit used in GoldenEar’s award-winning Triton
Two Tower. The Invisa 525 and Invisa 650 utilize a one-piece driver/
frame/fl ange construction in order to minimize their footprint. Solidly
constructed of a marble-infused polymer, the unitized structure
actually has the high-defi nition wide-dispersion driver constructed
as an integral part. The Invisa HTR 7000 incorporates our Focus-
Field™ Technology with a cast-basket 6.5" bass/midrange
driver and HVFR tweeter that are angled under the grille for
optimum performance as a main speaker in a high-quality
in-ceiling home theater and music system. All three systems
have complex multi-element crossovers to precisely blend
the drivers for seamless, exquisitely natural sound quality.
The 650 and 525 are designed for in-ceiling and in-wall use.
They come standard with a round, paintable MagneLock™
magnetically fastened micro-perf grill and there are optional
square grills available. The grills fully cover the mounting fl ange
for a highly desirable stealth appearance. Special attention
has been given to achieving wide sonic dispersion that is so
important in distributed audio systems. The tweeters pivot to
further optimize performance and a high-frequency equalization
switch allows precise matching to any environment.
The Invisa Home Theater Reference 7000 is designed for use as a
ceiling-mounted main front stage left, right, or center speaker in
high-quality home theater or music systems, as well as for use as
a side or rear surround speaker. It has a fl at, round, “invisible” grill
10" in diameter with the drivers angled at 28 degrees towards
the listening position resulting in free-standing-speaker-quality
performance. In order to achieve open, boxless, three-dimensional
imaging that appears to come from the front wall rather than the
ceiling, great care has been taken to minimize diffraction and optimize
wave-launch into the room with our FocusField Technology.
inVisA 650 sPeCiFiCATions

Dimensions: 8-5/8" diameter. Cut-out size: 7-1/8" diameter. Depth: 3-7/16". Frequency
Response: 25 Hz – 35 kHz. sensitivity: 90 dB. nominal impedance: Compatible with
8 ohms. Driver Complement: One 6.5" bass/midrange driver, One High-Velocity
Folded Ribbon (HVFR™) high-frequency radiator. Rec. Amp: 10 – 250 Watt/channel.
inVisA 525 sPeCiFiCATions

Dimensions: 7-3/4" diameter. Cut-out size: 6-3/16" diameter. Depth: 3-7/16". Frequency
Response: 27 Hz – 35 kHz. sensitivity: 89 dB. nominal impedance: Compatible with
8 ohms. Driver Complement: One 5.25" bass/midrange driver, One High-Velocity
Folded Ribbon (HVFR™) high-frequency radiator. Rec. Amp: 10 – 200 Watt/channel.
inVisA HTR􀀃􀀚􀀓00 sPeCiFiCATions

Dimensions: 10-1/16" diameter. 􀀦􀁘􀁗􀀐􀀲􀁘􀁗􀀃􀀶􀁌􀁝􀁈􀀝􀀃9' diameter. Frequency Response:
25 Hz – 35 kHz. sensitivity: 90 dB. nominal impedance: Compatible with 8 ohms.
Driver Complement: One 7" cast-basket bass/midrange driver, One High-Velocity
Folded Ribbon (HVFR™) high-frequency radiator. Rec. Amp: 10 – 250 Watt/channel.

FoRCeFieLD 5 sPeCiFiCATions
Dimensions: 15" W x 18" D x 14.5" H (height is with feet installed). Frequency Response:
12 Hz – 200 Hz. Driver Complement: One 12" long-throw high-output bass driver, One 12.75" x 14.5"
quadratic planar infrasonic radiator. Amplifi er: 1500-Watt ForceField digital amplifi er
. speaker
Level High-Pass Filter: 6 dB per octave at 150 Hz (approx.). speaker Level Low-Pass Filter: 12 dB
per octave continuously variable from 40 – 150 Hz. Low-Level input (Mono): Unfi ltered (no low
pass), direct-coupled. Wireless input: For optional GoldenEar wireless accessory (sold separately).
*SPECIFICATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE.
post #1450 of 2342
Hi all,

I've been looking at the SuperSat 50 speakers as the solution to wall mount speakers around my 65" flat panel display. I'm thinking 2 fronts and a center. Everything I've read about the speakers has been positive, and MSRP is $500 per speaker ($1500 total).

Now I see the new SuperCinema 3D Array is available, and initial feedback is very positive considering it's a 3-in-1 soundbar type of a solution for the front stage. At 49" wide it will fit nicely under a 65" flat panel. MSRP for this product is $1000.

So, that brings me to my question... what is better about 3 SuperSat 50 speakers (2 fronts and a center) compared to a single SuerCinema 3D Array that justifies the additional cost? What do you think? In general, performance from each solution seems to be great either way.

My primary use for the speakers will be for movies, and I plan to combine them with a pair of SuperSat 3 speakers in the rear (5.1 surround).
Here are the specs for each product from the GoldenEar web site

Product: SUPERSAT 50/50C
Dimensions: 26-3/4˝ H (W) x 4-3/4˝ W (H) x 2-1/2˝ D
Weight: 7 lbs
Freq Response: 60 Hz - 35 kHz
Efficiency: 92 dB
Impedance: Compatible with 8 ohms
Drivers: Two - 4-1/2˝ High-Definition Cast-Basket MVPP™ Mid/Bass Drivers
Two - 4˝ x 7˝ Quadratic Planar Low-Frequency Radiators
One - HVFR™ High-Velocity Folded Ribbon Tweeter
Recommended
Amplification: 20 - 200 watt/channel


Product: SUPERCINEMA 3D ARRAY
Dimensions: 49˝ W x 4-3/4˝ H x 2-3/4˝ D
Weight: 20 lbs
Freq Response: 60 Hz - 35 kHz
Efficiency: 91 dB
Impedance: Compatible with 8 ohms
Drivers: Six - 4-1/2˝ High-Definition Cast-Basket MVPP™ Mid/Bass Drivers
Three - HVFR™ High-Velocity Folded Ribbon Tweeters
Recommended
Amplification: 20 - 200 watt/channel
post #1451 of 2342
SuperCinema 3D Array - Still looking for input on my last post....
post #1452 of 2342
5.5 GoldenEar Sonic Nirvana

We just have to write this, because we rolled our eyes when we read all the glowing reviews about GoldenEar speakers (yeah we know… “Everything you read on the Internet is true”). So for the past year or so we have done extensive research for a high-end surround sound and music system to be installed in a 24’ by 36’ (an Open Living Room, Dining Room, and Bar Area) great room. To say we listened to a lot of systems is an understatement.

First off we really didn’t have a budget (per-say), but it’s our belief that when building a high-end surround sound system there is a price to quality ratio that makes sense. We believe the pricing of many high-end systems have long gone past the marketing strategy of “whatever the market will bare”.

When we first heard the GoldenEar Triton 2 speakers we were not blown away, but we felt they had potential. So we called Sandy Gross and asked why we aren't hearing with others said they heard? After some calls back and forth he asked me to go listen to them again, he was right, they were setup wrong the first time, and they sounded wonderful.

We are now in sonic nirvana; we setup a 5.4 (soon to be 5.5) GoldenEar surround sound system consisting of 4 GoldenEar Triton 2’s a GoldenEar SuperSat 50C and soon to be a GoldenEar Forcefield 5 Subwoofer. This system already compares to the best we’ve heard. The vocals are crisp and clear, the speakers are so open they disappear and you get totally immersed. The 4 built-in sub-woofers of the Triton 2’s blend seamlessly. We were worried about the 50C not being up to the task, but we were wrong. We hear things we never heard before; we are re-watching our Blu-Ray collection!

A side note: this review is coming from a couple that has been around the block a few times. Over the years we have owned a few esoteric high-end systems such as “Quad ESL’s, Magnepan, B&W 801’s, Legacy Whispers, Hartley, Proceed AVP, Oracle, Ray Samuels Tube Amps etc. etc.

My father always said; “If an intelligent person is willing to share his knowledge with you, be smart enough to listen”! We tweaked the system the way Sandy Gross suggested and have not looked back.

The true accomplishment GoldenEar has achieved is a fantastic high-end sound (period). AND "the icing on the cake" is that you don't need a second mortgage.
post #1453 of 2342
Triton twos here, Supersat 50C, and Aon3's for surrounds. System sounds superb... 121212 Sandy concert fundraiser "Pink Floyd ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
post #1454 of 2342
To Steve 609:

What tweaks did Sandy recommend to you?

Would like your comments on the Forcefield 5 once you've had the opportunity to give it a good listen. There are other very good subs at this price point (Hsu, STS, etc.) - wish I were able to audition them.
post #1455 of 2342
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Originally Posted by marknordlie View Post

To Steve 609:
What tweaks did Sandy recommend to you?
Would like your comments on the Forcefield 5 once you've had the opportunity to give it a good listen. There are other very good subs at this price point (Hsu, STS, etc.) - wish I were able to audition them.

I'm very interested in these answers as well.
post #1456 of 2342
With the set up we have; Sandy suggested hooking up the Triton 2 speakers via speakers wires (and run them all in large) and also LFE, we hooked the 50C and sub-woofer together via speaker wires (and run them as a large center) and also LFE.

This way we have 5 full range speakers, and 5 LFE Sub-woofers completely surrounding us.

We do not have the Forcefield 5 yet (we are using a Velodyne sub for the time being), but even now the sound is spectacular.

The sound is so detailed, so deep, so open it's scary.

When there is dialogue, it sounds like the person is in the room talking from just in front of the screen, we had to change our ringtones, because when a phone rang in a movie it sounded exactly like our phones, the dog is going nuts... she runs around the house looking for the people that are talking.

DyeLooper, we watched the 121212 concert again tonight and you are right Pink Floyd rocked!
post #1457 of 2342
@Steve609

I'm curious to know what processor and amps you are using. I love my Triton 2's and SuperSat 50C, but I don't think I've reached Nirvana yet...
post #1458 of 2342
Integra 9.1 U2 (upgraded) receiver, very good, but now it's the weakest link in our system.
post #1459 of 2342
In our humble opinion, it's important to have a good room set up (not to bright, not to dull), and the proper placement of the speakers are paramount!
post #1460 of 2342
We like the speakers at ear height, the surround speakers on the side slightly behind your seating position, set the center speaker as far forward (on furniture, not to reflect off the shelf), we set the center sub-woofer as close to the center speaker as possible.
Edited by Steve609 - 12/21/12 at 9:18am
post #1461 of 2342
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Originally Posted by Steve609 View Post

With the set up we have; Sandy suggested hooking up the Triton 2 speakers via speakers wires (and run them all in large) and also LFE, we hooked the 50C and sub-woofer together via speaker wires (and run them as a large center) and also LFE.
This way we have 5 full range speakers, and 5 LFE Sub-woofers completely surrounding us.
We do not have the Forcefield 5 yet (we are using a Velodyne sub for the time being), but even now the sound is spectacular.
The sound is so detailed, so deep, so open it's scary.
When there is dialogue, it sounds like the person is in the room talking from just in front of the screen, we had to change our ringtones, because when a phone rang in a movie it sounded exactly like our phones, the dog is going nuts... she runs around the house looking for the people that are talking.
DyeLooper, we watched the 121212 concert again tonight and you are right Pink Floyd rocked!

The Velodyne obviously is not doing it for you - thought they had a good line. Which model is your's?
post #1462 of 2342
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Originally Posted by Steve609 View Post

Integra 9.1 U2 (upgraded) receiver, very good, but now it's the weakest link in our system.

In our humble opinion, it's important to have a good room set up (not to bright, not to dull), and the proper placement of the speakers are paramount!

Thanks for the info. I agree, I'm finding that room setup is key!
post #1463 of 2342
We are currently using a (borrowed from another system) Velodyne FSR-12 sub-woofer that we have had for about 10 years.

We are sticking with Sandy's suggestion (going with a Forcefield 5), he has been right so far.
Edited by Steve609 - 12/21/12 at 7:07pm
post #1464 of 2342
Creating a better sonic image:

"The whole system is greater than the sum of its parts". In the past we stacked advent speakers to create a better stereo sonic image, and then we stacked Quad ESL's to create an even better stereo sonic image, with our GoldenEar Triton 2 system we have (in a sense) horizontally stacked them around the room (each speaker is about 12' apart) and created a better surround sound sonic image.

Side note: to be totally open, we have heard better stereo systems than the Triton 2's, but they always contained many very expensive amps, a very expensive preamp, the source material came from something that when you heard the price you just laughed, and the speakers were so large that you had to totally plan your living space around them.

IMHO, if you go the GoldenEar Triton 2 route you can get 90% of the way there for stereo, and you wind up with a world class surround sound system for a fraction of the cost.
Edited by Steve609 - 12/22/12 at 7:17pm
post #1465 of 2342
Any advice on the crossover setting from a Arcam av600.. Which has global crossover? I have the triton 2 cinema. Help
post #1466 of 2342
Arcam AV600 great receiver... (how do you like it?)

In our situation we have all the speakers set as large on the receiver and we found setting the sub crossover at 100 (our sub and center are connected as one speaker) sounded best.

IMHO, crossover settings: 80 sometimes is too localized, usually 100 seems to give the best blend and 120 sometimes sounds a bit unfocused.
Edited by Steve609 - 12/26/12 at 8:06am
post #1467 of 2342
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Originally Posted by Steve609 View Post

With the set up we have; Sandy suggested hooking up the Triton 2 speakers via speakers wires (and run them all in large) and also LFE, we hooked the 50C and sub-woofer together via speaker wires (and run them as a large center) and also LFE.
This way we have 5 full range speakers, and 5 LFE Sub-woofers completely surrounding us.
We do not have the Forcefield 5 yet (we are using a Velodyne sub for the time being), but even now the sound is spectacular.
The sound is so detailed, so deep, so open it's scary.
When there is dialogue, it sounds like the person is in the room talking from just in front of the screen, we had to change our ringtones, because when a phone rang in a movie it sounded exactly like our phones, the dog is going nuts... she runs around the house looking for the people that are talking.
DyeLooper, we watched the 121212 concert again tonight and you are right Pink Floyd rocked!


Steve, Could you please give me more detail about your 50c and sub-woofer hooked together via speakers wires and LFE ???
Do you mean you hooked both LFE and speakers wire to the sub-woofer??? and you runs them as large ...Did you change the Sub-Woofer to "YES" ??
Do You have Triton 2 for surround speakers too?
post #1468 of 2342
Yes, we ran speaker wires from the receiver to the sub in, and ran speaker wires from the sub out to the 50C.

Our receiver is set to sub-woofer yes giving us surround sound LFE from all 5 subwoofers (we also ran LFE (RCA) wires to all 5 subs).

IMHO/ By having 5 full range speakers and 5 sub-woofers w/ LFE we have created a 3D surround sound system.

It's the most uncanny thing... the sound stage has detailed sound placed exactly where it's supposed to be, explosions in movies are also 3D.

Example: We watched War Horse and there was a scene where a series of bombs went off in a trench (left to right) and in our room it sounded like they were going off in front of us (left to right), that was pretty cool, but it's really amazing to here bombs go off in a distance with this 3D sound effect. There was a part where a cannon shot from the far right and you could hear the bomb fly over your head and explode on the left just behind the couch.

When we say 3D sound we are referring to sound that has height, depth and width. If a shot comes from a roof on the left and hits on the ground on the right you don't just hear a bang on the left and a "pa-ding" on the right, you hear the shot from the upper left of the room, the bullet travels from the upper left to the lower right of the room and when it hits you hear the detailed snap making you think... Oh, that had to hurt.

The 3D surround sound really makes you feel like you are there.
post #1469 of 2342
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Originally Posted by Steve609 View Post

Yes, we ran speaker wires from the receiver to the sub in, and ran speaker wires from the sub out to the 50C.
Our receiver is set to sub-woofer yes giving us surround sound LFE from all 5 subwoofers (we also ran LFE (RCA) wires to all 5 subs).
IMHO/ By having 5 full range speakers and 5 sub-woofers w/ LFE we have created a 3D surround sound system.
It's the most uncanny thing... the sound stage has detailed sound placed exactly where it's supposed to be, explosions in movies are also 3D.
Example: We watched War Horse and there was a scene where a series of bombs went off in a trench (left to right) and in our room it sounded like they were going off in front of us (left to right), that was pretty cool, but it's really amazing to here bombs go off in a distance with this 3D sound effect. There was a part where a cannon shot from the far right and you could hear the bomb fly over your head and explode on the left just behind the couch.
When we say 3D sound we are referring to sound that has height, depth and width. If a shot comes from a roof on the left and hits on the ground on the right you don't just hear a bang on the left and a "pa-ding" on the right, you hear the shot from the upper left of the room, the bullet travels from the upper left to the lower right of the room and when it hits you hear the detailed snap making you think... Oh, that had to hurt.
The 3D surround sound really makes you feel like you are there.


Thanks so much Steve
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