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post #151 of 2340
I am in the process of buying speakers for music listening only and all of a sudden after reading this post, made me wonder... as many "Im looking for new speakers" threads there are here, how come I never see anybody suggesting definitive technology mythos? Is it not an "audiophile" speaker? I really do ask as I have yet to see a single response to any other "need advice for new speakers" threads, even mentioning deftech mythos or even this supposedly better "copycat??". thanks.
post #152 of 2340
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Originally Posted by KLee View Post

Fluffy marketing article....I am sure they are actually complete crap in reality.....

KLee... I'd really like to know... what makes you SO SURE?!?!?
Guess you've had intimate first hand experience with these huh???

Please, Do tell me where you've demo'ed... Now that you've piqued my interest!
post #153 of 2340
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Originally Posted by DirtyDeeds View Post

I am in the process of buying speakers for music listening only and all of a sudden after reading this post, made me wonder... as many "Im looking for new speakers" threads there are here, how come I never see anybody suggesting definitive technology mythos? Is it not an "audiophile" speaker? I really do ask as I have yet to see a single response to any other "need advice for new speakers" threads, even mentioning deftech mythos or even this supposedly better "copycat??". thanks.

Not that your post is aimed at me, but I'd whole heartily recommend the def techs I have. BP7006's. But, I don't feel that I'm nearly knowledgable enough to go around recommending things to people in most cases. I sure do love my 7006's though
post #154 of 2340
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

def tech never made anything with a ribbon tweeter

are the other drivers coming from the same vendors ?

and who cares if they sound the same (which they shouldn't with such different tweeter designs). seems like a silly argument anyway

stereophile gave the STS a glowing review so if they do sound similar they are off to a good start

anyway it's all just noise till people actually hear them


don't believe everything you read...in the case of Stereophile, a manufacturer told me that along with a good review, comes an expectation of a certain level of advertising in order to actually get that good review published. If true, it certainly begs the question of how a product would be rated/reviewed if they didn't accept advertising, but it probably explains why we don't read any reviews of poorly designed, over priced, etc products in Stereophile...
post #155 of 2340
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Originally Posted by totalimmortal363 View Post

Not that your post is aimed at me, but I'd whole heartily recommend the def techs I have. BP7006's. But, I don't feel that I'm nearly knowledgable enough to go around recommending things to people in most cases. I sure do love my 7006's though

It't nothing like you think. I'm really asking the question as like I asked in another thread, I was at magnolia and the guy there told me not to even listen to deftechs as it is bad. I really wasn't able to get the chance to listen to them. I just am wondering why I have not seen much recommendations from forums but I do see the sts mythos always included in the top ten best speakers from different review articles in the internet. I just want to know why they are not being recommended, if there's anything wrong with the design, the sound, etc. I just haven't had time but I will surely audition the mythos and since this article is about a new speaker similar but supposedly better than the sts mythos made by the same designer, then it should be good addition to audition.
post #156 of 2340
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Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post

don't believe everything you read...in the case of Stereophile, a manufacturer told me that along with a good review, comes an expectation of a certain level of advertising in order to actually get that good review published.

Old and anonymous bull$..t!

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If true, it certainly begs the question of how a product would be rated/reviewed if they didn't accept advertising, but it probably explains why we don't read any reviews of poorly designed, over priced, etc products in Stereophile...

Old and disproved inferences.
post #157 of 2340
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Originally Posted by KLee View Post

Fluffy marketing article....I am sure they are actually complete crap in reality.....

If you haven't heard them upon what do you base your opinion

Remember - Opinions are like *******s. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks
post #158 of 2340
Hello all,

We had an open house event last night, with the Triton Two's on display. We have had them now for about a week. These towers are absolutely incredible for the price. Bass extension is deep and more accurate than I have ever heard from a def tech tower. The midrange and tweeter are amazing at this price, I just kept turning the volume up and felt no listening fatigue what so ever. They image very well, and that ribbon tweeter is something special. Overall, it is a very neutral speaker, for those that don't believe their specs, you should listen before you comment. Overall, I think that GoldenEar Technology has a great opening product mix with excellent results. I can't wait to get more in stock and out to customers, and more products in the future. You owe it to yourself to get out and listen to them.
post #159 of 2340
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Originally Posted by cvictorg View Post

If you haven't heard them upon what do you base your opinion

Remember - Opinions are like *******s. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks

omygosh people i was not being serious......it was a example of sarcasm inspired by the ?online marketing fluff? nonsense from earlier ij the thread .......shoulda used a winky...
post #160 of 2340
Very nice review in Sound and Vision. They don't give very in-depth measurements but very flat on axis and said excellent off-axis even up to 45 degrees. griffin the reviewer was gushing. S&V tends to make nice on all the reviews but the measurements sometimes tell a different story. Not in this case. Sounds like very interesting speaker. (On the other hand the Gallo speaker measurements in the same magazine looked terrible on axis).
post #161 of 2340
I have to audition these. I have had bp7001's for quite some time and like them a lot. It looks like Sandy has done it again. He strikes me as a true music lover, not some corprate figure head. The early reviews are almost unbelieveable.
post #162 of 2340
post #163 of 2340
Bought a pair of Triton Two's a few days ago. I got very lucky because it seems Golden Ear production won't ramp up for awhile.

I'm impressed to say the least. Build quality is first rate. Cabinet construction is as stiff and solid as a slab of granite. The drivers have a strong metal mesh that covers the entire front. And of course the ribbon tweeter is phenomenal. Sounds best with female voices. Specifically, i've listened to Enya and Norah Jones. Reveals the smallest details. Only done a few hrs of listening so far. Ok now back to listening. Gotta break these babies in.
post #164 of 2340
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Originally Posted by talon 2010 View Post

Bought a pair of Triton Two's a few days ago. I got very lucky because it seems Golden Ear production won't ramp up for awhile.

I'm impressed to say the least. Build quality is first rate. Cabinet construction is as stiff and solid as a slab of granite. The drivers have a strong metal mesh that covers the entire front. And of course the ribbon tweeter is phenomenal. Sounds best with female voices. Specifically, i've listened to Enya and Norah Jones. Reveals the smallest details. Only done a few hrs of listening so far. Ok now back to listening. Gotta break these babies in.

Pics? What are they replacing?
post #165 of 2340
Hi, I am happy that you are happy. We are trying to ramp up production as demand has gone wild, both earlier with pre-launch interest and now with the terrific reviews breaking. My personal recommendations: I like them fairly wide apart and toed in right at the listener. I would start with the level control on the subs at somewhere between 9 and 10 o'clock. Enjoy!!! Sandy
post #166 of 2340
Always nice to get a little off the MSRP....so I wonder if one can expect retailers to go "hardcore" on the MSRP, or do you think there will be any wiggle? Def Tech via Best Buy did not stray off of MSRP a lot, except their 10% coupons occasionally !
post #167 of 2340
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post
Hi, I am happy that you are happy. We are trying to ramp up production as demand has gone wild, both earlier with pre-launch interest and now with the terrific reviews breaking. My personal recommendations: I like them fairly wide apart and toed in right at the listener. I would start with the level control on the subs at somewhere between 9 and 10 o'clock. Enjoy!!! Sandy
Congrats Sandy, I haven't seen this much excitement over new speakers in a long time. I'm going to try to give them a listen on Monday. Re toe in, I have a 3 wide row of seats. Would too much to in (to the middle seat) cause a loss if imigang to the left and right?
post #168 of 2340
I replaced a center channel Def Tech CLR 3000, BP 7002 and BP 7004 (rear surround). Plan to buy SuperSat 50s for center and rear surrounds eventually.

I'll post a few Triton pics soon.

I'm hoping Sandy has plans to make a center channel similar to the CLR 3000. Would love to see a huge Golden Ear center with a large built in sub. The 50 Sat will have to tide me over until then.
post #169 of 2340
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Originally Posted by talon 2010 View Post

I replaced a center channel Def Tech CLR 3000, BP 7002 and BP 7004 (rear surround). Plan to buy SuperSat 50s for center and rear surrounds eventually.

I'll post a few Triton pics soon.

I'm hoping Sandy has plans to make a center channel similar to the CLR 3000. Would love to see a huge Golden Ear center with a large built in sub. The 50 Sat will have to tide me over until then.

I have 7001's with a 3000. How would you compare the tritons to the 7002's, do you still have the 3000 if so how does it sound with the tritons? You are the first civilian with tritons so get ready for 1001 questions....
post #170 of 2340
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Originally Posted by talon 2010 View Post

I replaced a center channel Def Tech CLR 3000, BP 7002 and BP 7004 (rear surround). Plan to buy SuperSat 50s for center and rear surrounds eventually.

I'll post a few Triton pics soon.

I'm hoping Sandy has plans to make a center channel similar to the CLR 3000. Would love to see a huge Golden Ear center with a large built in sub. The 50 Sat will have to tide me over until then.

Wow, your replacing some serious HT gear lol Do you mostly listen to music or gaming and HT? Let us know how they compair to the BP7002's once you break the Triton's in some more! I don't know about the built in center sub, just get another subwoofer The CLR3000 is pretty hard to beat, but's it's huge which is mostly due to the subwoofer. It's also more then twice the price of the 50 sat.
post #171 of 2340
Hi, Regarding the toe-in: I like speakers fairly wide apart with full toe-in at the listener. This actually gives you a wider sweet spot. There was a speaker some years ago from DBX that used this as a differentiating speaker concept and built the toe-in in under the grills. Also, a wide spacing with full toe-in helps to minimize inter-aural crosstalk, which dramatically improves the holographic aspects of the imaging, as long as the speakers have basically good imaging (which the Tritons have) so that there is no hole in the middle. Sandy
post #172 of 2340
Truwarrior22:
I play mostly Modern Warfare 2. Although I admit the sound quality of games isn't anywhere near DVDs let alone Blu-ray, This is no fault of the Tritons though. Got them for movies mostly. Although I plan on listening to music alot more than w/ the Def Tech's. A welcome surprize.

I plan to rewatch Inception on blu-ray. It has alot of scenes w/ bass, Want to put the Tritons through their paces . On the first viewing of Inception, I used M&K bookshelf for the front and the smaller Def Tech BPXs for surround and Supercube sub. Another movie to test the Triton's subs is Book of Eli w/ Denzel Washington. It has numerous scenes with subtle and strong bass.

Vs the BP 7002s, for the short time I've listened to the Tritons - main difference is in the extended and more accurate treble. With Enya or Norah Jones I can hear them take a breath at certain times. The ribbon tweeter is very revealing. The bass is more pronounced than the 7002's.

When I demoed them at the dealer in combo w/ a Peachtree iPod doc - the sound fillled the room. It sounded bipolar, the sound field was that large. But the volume was pretty high. Usually, I can't play them that loud at home - neighbors dont appreciate it.
post #173 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Need4spdnb View Post

Hello all,

We had an open house event last night, with the Triton Two's on display. We have had them now for about a week. These towers are absolutely incredible for the price. Bass extension is deep and more accurate than I have ever heard from a def tech tower. The midrange and tweeter are amazing at this price, I just kept turning the volume up and felt no listening fatigue what so ever. They image very well, and that ribbon tweeter is something special. Overall, it is a very neutral speaker, for those that don't believe their specs, you should listen before you comment. Overall, I think that GoldenEar Technology has a great opening product mix with excellent results. I can't wait to get more in stock and out to customers, and more products in the future. You owe it to yourself to get out and listen to them.

I too am enthusiastic with the Trition Two Towers and may buy a pair. I bought the Martin Logan Preface but passed on the Motion 12 (too much cost cutting), even though it has a similar open and detailed treble.

Early last year I wrote extensively about the Heil air motion patents expiring and wondering why more speaker companies did not use them. Hello?

I have never much been impressed with Def Tech products with a few notable exceptions. For starters, the fake depth of the bipolar/(rear firing) tweeters wasn't realistic. Now years after decades of sub-standard soundstaging, we have true progress, using an updated 40 year-old design.

With little doubt, we really have the Chinese to thank, who know good sound when they hear it. They are now on their third generation of license free Heil designs. Aluminum foil is cheap and they own the worlds supply of rare earth elements/magnets. Which brings up the point: where are the Triton drivers, cabinets manufactured and assembled?

What else is different this time around the block? Are they using new or refined technology?
There appears to be numerous improvements across the spectrum for each of the drivers:
1) Midrange - GoldenEar Multi-Vaned Phase Plug (MVPP) Design
2) Midrange - Extremely Extended Resonant-Free Linear Frequency Response Characteristics

Refined British speakers (like Monitor Audio) knew the importance of low resonant mid-range drivers which allow for smoother response (no waves just below the treble crossover). Good to see American designers are finally catching up

3) Ultra-Long Throw woofers
4) folded tweeter - better than cheap domes used in lazy high-end designs

Their past marketing efforts were well executed and resulted in their speakers winning many positive reviews. Each year they followed a cycle consisting of different variations of thin enclosures, buying lots of advertising, then getting good reviews in the US press. Proof that money does talk. However in the stores, after a quick listen, experienced people always preferred or recommended something else.

One would hope that Golden Ear will also offer full-range, powered-woofer center channel speakers, as I refuse to allow Dolby to surreptitiously mix the channels (and degrade the sound quality).
Note: a check at the Golden Ear website shows the 3C center speaker with a response only down to 80 Hz. Here the designers regress.

Appearance
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The cheap utility black cloth will not win over any spouses.

Reliability
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Over the years the bass amplifiers in powered speakers have been most unreliable and difficult if not impossible to get repaired. Your investment then becomes worthless.

Def-Tech Dealer Experience
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I recall trying to audition the $1800 Def Tech Super Cube reference sub-woofer several years ago. The woofer had an auto On/Off circuit which would only power on after considerable time. The dealer was unable to figure out the situation. I even wrote Def Tech/Mr. Gross, but never received a response. When the woofer finally did did power-on, many cabinets in the store rattled! Needless to say, the audition at the high-end dealer was a disaster.
I did end up buying the woofer and found it buzzed given high levels of low deep bass. Hardly reference! The end result it was donated to Goodwill.

Customer Convenience
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Will Golden Ear customers have to go pay up-front, babysit their dealer, and inquire week after week about product availability? Then hear excuses for the delays? In this Amazon age, you need to treat your customers right. Start by having the product in-stock.

All this being said, I will seriously consider purchasing the Triton Two. It does appear to raise the bar in loudspeaker performance, and at a reasonable price. Hopefully it will help redefine the insanity of traditional high-end audio speakers.
post #174 of 2340
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, I am happy that you are happy. We are trying to ramp up production as demand has gone wild, both earlier with pre-launch interest and now with the terrific reviews breaking. My personal recommendations: I like them fairly wide apart and toed in right at the listener. I would start with the level control on the subs at somewhere between 9 and 10 o'clock. Enjoy!!! Sandy

GoldenEar Technology ► Triton Two Owners Manual pg.13
Setting Your Speakers’ Low-Frequency Level Control
Your Triton speakers have a level control which allows you to perfectly tune the output level of the powered low frequency subwoofer section to match your room, as well as to meet your own personal listening preferences.
The range of adjustment does not allow control beyond typical room/preference settings. We suggest beginning with the level control set at the 12 o’clock detent position. (Please note that there are no controls to vary the crossover points or phase because these have already been designed and engineered into the product to provide the best possible overall system response — a major performance benefit of having the “built-in” subwoofer.)
post #175 of 2340
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Originally Posted by talon 2010 View Post

Truwarrior22:
I play mostly Modern Warfare 2. Although I admit the sound quality of games isn't anywhere near DVDs let alone Blu-ray, This is no fault of the Tritons though. Got them for movies mostly. Although I plan on listening to music alot more than w/ the Def Tech's. A welcome surprize.

I plan to rewatch Inception on blu-ray. It has alot of scenes w/ bass, Want to put the Tritons through their paces . On the first viewing of Inception, I used M&K bookshelf for the front and the smaller Def Tech BPXs for surround and Supercube sub. Another movie to test the Triton's subs is Book of Eli w/ Denzel Washington. It has numerous scenes with subtle and strong bass.

Vs the BP 7002s, for the short time I've listened to the Tritons - main difference is in the extended and more accurate treble. With Enya or Norah Jones I can hear them take a breath at certain times. The ribbon tweeter is very revealing. The bass is more pronounced than the 7002's.

When I demoed them at the dealer in combo w/ a Peachtree iPod doc - the sound fillled the room. It sounded bipolar, the sound field was that large. But the volume was pretty high. Usually, I can't play them that loud at home - neighbors dont appreciate it.

Thanks for your thoughts so far, I'd have to hear these before I would consider purchasing. Over the years, I'm finding extended treble a bit to common with the mid-lower midrange getting lost in the backgroud....i.e. my Klipsch F3 tower, and even some what with my B7000's thought not nearly as bad as the F3's. Are you finding any harshness in the sound? Like from listening to some rock music?

You should try Battlefield 2 Bad Company 2, the sound is amazing! Ware tapes option is a little too much for me though lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cFgWKEYC2g
post #176 of 2340
Hi, Regarding the starting point for setting the subwoofer level control: as we have gained more experience in a greater variety of rooms since we originally wrote the manual, I now recommend between 9 and 10 o'clock as a starting point. Of course, this varies with the room, positioning and personal taste. Also, regarding the grill cloth and styling. First, it has to be said, that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. That said, the grill cloth that we have selected is neither cheap nor a utility cloth. It is a relatively costly designer material which was selected both for its visual appeal as well as its acoustic transparency. There was quite a bit of time spent on the visual design of this speaker. What we were going for was something simple, elegant and classic which would be at home in a variety of domestic settings. In many ways it is sort of a cross between a Brancusi sculpture and the classic simple black dress. As with the simple black dress, it is a different approach than something more showy that draws more attention to itself. With this sort of design the details become quite important and I feel that we have worked them out well. Spouses seem to like the Triton's styling quite a bit and find it more acceptable than some other more showy designs. I think that the pictures of the Triton, while good, do not fully allow you to fully appreciate the form and details. Also, the form and styling are very much tied to the function and performance of the Triton. Sandy
post #177 of 2340
I guess if a speaker does not look like a nautilus or a tuba it's considered ugly. I thought we buy speakers to listen to them.
post #178 of 2340
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

I have never much been impressed with Def Tech products with a few notable exceptions. For starters, the fake depth of the bipolar/(rear firing) tweeters wasn't realistic. Now years after decades of sub-standard soundstaging, we have true progress, using an updated 40 year-old design.



Reliability
--------
Over the years the bass amplifiers in powered speakers have been most unreliable and difficult if not impossible to get repaired. Your investment then becomes worthless.

Def-Tech Dealer Experience
--------------------
I recall trying to audition the $1800 Def Tech Super Cube reference sub-woofer several years ago. The woofer had an auto On/Off circuit which would only power on after considerable time. The dealer was unable to figure out the situation. I even wrote Def Tech/Mr. Gross, but never received a response. When the woofer finally did did power-on, many cabinets in the store rattled! Needless to say, the audition at the high-end dealer was a disaster.
I did end up buying the woofer and found it buzzed given high levels of low deep bass. Hardly reference! The end result it was donated to Goodwill.
Customer Convenience
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I have the 7001s, 3000clr and BPVX rears and Reference sub in my system. I've been using them for over 3 years now, and I am completely satisfied.

I'm not a noobie when it comes to audio equipment. I started my audio adventures way back in the early 70s, and I have had many quality components over the years.

I can easily say that my experience with my Def Techs has been very positive.

I have never had any of the speaker components fail.

The sound of the bipolar is a personal preference. I think they sound excellent in my room. The only downside that I have found is that the bipolars don’t work well with Audyssey room correction. At least I haven’t had any success. But, I’m happy to do the setup manually.

Basing your Reference sub experience on one visit to a dealer, who may not have known how to set it up, and then posting your negative experience is careless. Also, auditioning a sub in a showroom won't do justice to the sub. There are too many variables with setup, placement and room interactions, and how they will perform with your system/room to fairly Judge any speaker in a showroom

My Reference sub (with auto on/off circuit) works great. The important thing is to set it up with the sub gain at approximately 10 oclock or less. Setting it any higher will lower the signal from the receiver when setting the speaker levels and cause the sub to require more volume to activate the auto circuit. Once the speaker levels are set, then you can increase the sub gain control if desired.

I don't find that the Reference sub sounds boomy at all. Like any system, careful setup is required.

Also, I have never experienced any buzzing from the Reference sub or any of the other subs built in to the speakers. I have a very large open listening environment with 16’ muliti-level tray ceiling. Last night I was watching the movie Inception at a fairly high level, and the LFE in the movie caused numerous vibrations/rattling in the room at times. That is the fault of my room, not the sub.

I just read the stellar review on the Tritons in Sound and Vision magazine last night. I've always been drawn to the sound of ribbon speakers due to their clarity, but I've always avoided them due to problems with off axis performance. Based on what I am reading about the Tritons, their tweeters have excellent off axis performance.

I don't know if I will trade in my current Def Tech speakers for the Tritons, but it sure is tempting. It sounds like GoldenEar has a major winner in play.

If Mr. Gross would like to send me a review sample, I would be happy to listen to them for a couple of years and then post my impressions in this thread.
post #179 of 2340
I think it interesting how Mr. Gross chimes in here but refuses to addresses questions about the veracity/relevance of his company's "measurements."
post #180 of 2340
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Originally Posted by pilot20 View Post

I don't know if I will trade in my current Def Tech speakers for the Tritons, but it sure is tempting. It sounds like GoldenEar has a major winner in play.

If Mr. Gross would like to send me a review sample, I would be happy to listen to them for a couple of years and then post my impressions in this thread.

You sure you can live with the out-of phase bi-polar tweeter?

What I always look for is solid and tangible engineering advances against current products. The Triton Two excels here.

Another is widespread critical acclaim which lessens undue or unknown bias. Then at AVS (I say this with considerable humor) you avoid be sucked into a cult following....

With the advent away from Dolby to 24bit HD audio, true progress in rapidly being made in high fidelity audio (whether JA of Stereophile wants to learn HDMI or not).

My systems are really good too. Products like these can bring immense enjoyment, value and satisfaction to consumers. It's an all around win-win-win situation. Well, I'm ready for the audition, armed with demanding material.
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