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post #1951 of 2341
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

So i am thinking of replacing my SS50C by Goldenear Technology with one of their SCXL's as i like the idea of having lower mid range bass to handle dialog and sound.

The SS50C uses the Triton II's to do the heavy work, in mono. It sounds excellent, but when i auditioned the SCXL it seemed to add to what i can only describe as a hollower sound the SS50C was putting out. I still think the SS50C sounds better than the Paradigm Reference Series Center i had before.

However, i don't want to necessarily sell my SS50C. Could i use it as a surround rear mounted vertically? I know the tweeter is horizontal and the speaker terminals are horizontal, how much difference does that make versus a vertically mounted tweeter??

Keep in mind that the SS50C is a structurally "flat" speaker. Will it suffer from acoustic lobing??

Was listening to music tonight and noticed distortion coming from the left bass radiator. Which is odd because all of my bass goes to my subwoofer and my crossover is 150 hz.

Not sure what happened? Rest of speakers in system are functioning properly, including my titan 2's.

Do I take speaker to dealer??

Dealer emailed me this morning, looks like the SS 50 is going in for service. I will ask them this question when I take it in.
post #1952 of 2341
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Originally Posted by rraman View Post

Anyone using Integra 80.1 with ForceField 4/5 Subs with Triton II? I would like to know your setup. My current settings are;
Fronts set to "Normal" & "FullBand"
Subwoofer="Yes"
Center (Super XL) crossover-120
Sides SS50 CorssOver -150
Rears SuperSat 3: 120

Room size is 28 * 16 ft.

Subwoofer is connected with RCA cable.
At times, I feel that center dialogue is lower or not clear at high background sound especially the action sequences in superhero movies.

By setting the subwoofer='Yes" am I cutting off the low frequencies for built-in subs in Trioton II?
Any thoughts?
I have tritons 2 and super center xl audessey set it at 40hz I have it at 60hz it's sounds great good luck
post #1953 of 2341
I finally got around to auditioning the new SuperCenter XL at my local dealer. It sounds terrific! We disconnected the two main Triton 2's to isolate the center and cranked up a heavy dialogue scene between Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones in Men in Black II (post office scene). Both of the characters voices came through full and rich, and quite a few low frequency sound effects came through loud and clear. What I also noticed, unexpectedly, was a nice sound stage from the center that extended out to the Tritons! Even though it is only a single channel, it really sounded 2D, unlike other centers I have listened to that sound very narrow, relying on the mains to fill in the dead space. We hooked the Triton's back up as full range mains, and I experienced a full, continuous, wide soundstage. I forgot to try different seating positions, so I didn't check out off-axis sound.

I am sold, but I didn't purchase it yet because I need to rearrange some furniture. My plan is to wall mount the TV, and place the SCXL on a wall-mounted shelf, as I am placing all my components off to the side. I am also considering another option, which is to use a Triton 7 or 3 as a center channel... To do this, I would have to place the T7/3 pretty close to the wall, as I will be adding a drop-down AT screen that will go in front of the TV and center. I have some reservations about putting the T7/3 so close to the back wall though. I'm thinking the SCXL will be more tolerant of a close to the wall placement than the T3/7... Decisions, decisions... at least I now know I can't go wrong either way!
post #1954 of 2341
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Originally Posted by bcms6 View Post

I finally got around to auditioning the new SuperCenter XL at my local dealer. It sounds terrific! We disconnected the two main Triton 2's to isolate the center and cranked up a heavy dialogue scene between Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones in Men in Black II (post office scene). Both of the characters voices came through full and rich, and quite a few low frequency sound effects came through loud and clear. What I also noticed, unexpectedly, was a nice sound stage from the center that extended out to the Tritons! Even though it is only a single channel, it really sounded 2D, unlike other centers I have listened to that sound very narrow, relying on the mains to fill in the dead space. We hooked the Triton's back up as full range mains, and I experienced a full, continuous, wide soundstage. I forgot to try different seating positions, so I didn't check out off-axis sound.

I am sold, but I didn't purchase it yet because I need to rearrange some furniture. My plan is to wall mount the TV, and place the SCXL on a wall-mounted shelf, as I am placing all my components off to the side. I am also considering another option, which is to use a Triton 7 or 3 as a center channel... To do this, I would have to place the T7/3 pretty close to the wall, as I will be adding a drop-down AT screen that will go in front of the TV and center. I have some reservations about putting the T7/3 so close to the back wall though. I'm thinking the SCXL will be more tolerant of a close to the wall placement than the T3/7... Decisions, decisions... at least I now know I can't go wrong either way!
good luck with your decision I personally love my super center xl I bought it about a month and a half I can hear little sounds I was missing with my other speakers
post #1955 of 2341
[[/INDENT]I went to my local GoldenEar dealer in Illinois with my friend so he could fear the 7s. This is the same dealer who I purchased my triton 2s and center XL. He loved the 7s and he is thinking of putting them with a SVS sub or two versus purchasing the Triton 2s. There was a GoldenEar rep there and he was very helpful. They didn't have the 3s hooked up because they had an open house of sorts with reps from a few av companies. I think he's sold on the 7s. I'm also curious to see what GE does at the CES.
post #1956 of 2341
I have been waiting to purchase a set of rears to go with my aons 3's and x center, I was wondering if ge plans to offer a set of bipoles or dipoles for the rears, anyone have any info on this, thanks
post #1957 of 2341
Hi...
I just stumbled on the GoldenEar brand, as I'm going to replace my LCR speakers (which, due to space constraints are right next to and above my TV) with a single LCR speaker. Most of the single LCR speakers seem to be active, but at least Definitive, GoldenEar, and KEF have quality passive single LCR speakers. Of these, the SuperCinema 3D array seems to get the best reviews by far. Here's my question (and I searched the thread but there seems to be very little discussion of this speaker): How does the SuperCinema 3D Array work with audio calibration (Audyssey in my case)? Since there seems to be special processing built in to reduce L/R crosstalk, this wouldn't be apparent when calibrating individual speakers, so I don't know if Audyssey calibration would be advised with this speaker. I'd like to calibrate with Audyssey since I'm not a real audiophile and don't trust myself to do it alone (and I like the dynamic EQ settings on my Denon receiver).

Thanks for any help that someone with this "sound bar" can provide!
post #1958 of 2341
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Originally Posted by panzer View Post

I have been waiting to purchase a set of rears to go with my aons 3's and x center, I was wondering if ge plans to offer a set of bipoles or dipoles for the rears, anyone have any info on this, thanks

I don't think so. IIRC, Sandy said in an interview that they determined that the GE direct radiating speakers worked best for surround.
post #1959 of 2341
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Originally Posted by skro View Post

Hi...
I just stumbled on the GoldenEar brand, as I'm going to replace my LCR speakers (which, due to space constraints are right next to and above my TV) with a single LCR speaker. Most of the single LCR speakers seem to be active, but at least Definitive, GoldenEar, and KEF have quality passive single LCR speakers. Of these, the SuperCinema 3D array seems to get the best reviews by far. Here's my question (and I searched the thread but there seems to be very little discussion of this speaker): How does the SuperCinema 3D Array work with audio calibration (Audyssey in my case)? Since there seems to be special processing built in to reduce L/R crosstalk, this wouldn't be apparent when calibrating individual speakers, so I don't know if Audyssey calibration would be advised with this speaker. I'd like to calibrate with Audyssey since I'm not a real audiophile and don't trust myself to do it alone (and I like the dynamic EQ settings on my Denon receiver).

Thanks for any help that someone with this "sound bar" can provide!

I think you should be fine using Audyssey normally. I used it and achieved really good results with the 3D Array. My issue with the Array was getting the sub placement right so that they blended well. I believe a central placement of the sub under the Array works best. If you place the sub in a corner, you're more likely to notice sounds from the other speakers in the room (including the Array) being localized in the sub. As I'm sure you've read in the reviews, the Array has incredibly wide imaging, which did not seem adversely affected by Audyssey. The only way to be sure is to try it yourself, but I suspect you'll be happy with the results.
post #1960 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I think you should be fine using Audyssey normally. I used it and achieved really good results with the 3D Array. My issue with the Array was getting the sub placement right so that they blended well. I believe a central placement of the sub under the Array works best. If you place the sub in a corner, you're more likely to notice sounds from the other speakers in the room (including the Array) being localized in the sub. As I'm sure you've read in the reviews, the Array has incredibly wide imaging, which did not seem adversely affected by Audyssey. The only way to be sure is to try it yourself, but I suspect you'll be happy with the results.

Excellent. Thanks for the feedback. I won't be able to place the sub under the Array, but I'm looking forward to checking this out at the local dealer.
Now...the question is to buy this now or wait for the XL version in Spring!
post #1961 of 2341
Hi, Dipole, and our bipolar surrounds were really developed in the days of the original Dolby system, before Dolby Digital. Now that we have Dolby Digital with discrete information to all channels, it is my feeling that the mixer who engineers the soundtrack has each channel delivering what they want, and the idea is to deliver it as purely as possible. Thanks, Sandy
post #1962 of 2341
Hi Sandy,

Any new products coming at CES ?
post #1963 of 2341
I need a little advice, with a soundbar and a pair of super sats for the rears, how would I set up the soundbar in a 7 channel hook up, I assume the center stays the same, but how do you decide wich of the other speakers on the sound bar are the sides and the left right front, thanks
post #1964 of 2341
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Originally Posted by panzer View Post

I need a little advice, with a soundbar and a pair of super sats for the rears, how would I set up the soundbar in a 7 channel hook up, I assume the center stays the same, but how do you decide wich of the other speakers on the sound bar are the sides and the left right front, thanks
Sorry , my mistake, please excuse this post, I thought the soundbar was 5 channel and just realized that it was 3.
post #1965 of 2341
Not sure what Sandy will be showing at CES, but I'm excited to swing by and at least shake the man's hand at the show.

Now I just need to get out of my NVIDIA press and vendor meetings long enough to get to the Venetian! LOL
post #1966 of 2341
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

I have the onkyo 818.Triton 2's with SS 50. 6 mirage omniopolar speakers and 2 in ceiling speakers. With PSA XS 30 dual opposing 15 inch subwoofer. That is my set up.
My settings are similar to yours. I have my subwoofer crossed at 80hz as I find this works best for my room. My Tritons are set to normal (8ohms) and set to full range as are yours. My SS50 is set to 150hz. A SCXL would be better set at 60 hz, surprised audyssey did not set it at that or even 40 hz. Looks like the center is where you are having the problem as your other crossovers look good. Does the SCXL have the addionaladdional 1 inch clearance it needs for the bass radiators?

I would rerun audyssey again and then tweek the speaker levels to your liking.

Audessey XT32 set my SCXL to 40hz. I bumped that up to 60hz, I think it is a better fit. This center is great.
post #1967 of 2341

Just a quick note about changing the Audyssey crossover points for speaker settings "after calibration".

 

Please take note that this only applies if you want to insure you are using the room correction that Audyssey applied after callibration.

 

1.) If you raise the crossover point that Audyssey set you're fine (ie. 60 Hz to 80 Hz).  After calibration Audyssey applied correction to anything over the specified crossover setting so you'd still be within the range.

 

2.) If you lower the crossover point there will be no correctiong for the reduced range.  Example: If you go from an Audyssey specified 80 Hz to 60 Hz room correction will only be applied to frequencies above 80 Hz for the specified channels.  You'll still here 60 Hz to 80 Hz you just wont get Audyssey room correction on that range.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Joe

post #1968 of 2341
I just heard from my dealer. My SS50's left bass radiator sounded like it became separated from its housing. Sure enough, i am getting a replacement SS50 under warranty. I also emailed and asked what it may cost to step up to the SCXL? Will wait and see.

Goldenear's Customer service and dealer selection in my case has been outstanding!!!
post #1969 of 2341
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

I just heard from my dealer. My SS50's left bass radiator sounded like it became separated from its housing. Sure enough, i am getting a replacement SS50 under warranty. I also emailed and asked what it may cost to step up to the SCXL? Will wait and see.

Goldenear's Customer service and dealer selection in my case has been outstanding!!!

Yes, mine too. One of my Triton Two's developed a hiss. My dealer came out and replaced the sub amp, and he allowed me to upgrade to the SCXL for free at the same time. Of course, I had already bought a boatload of GE speakers from him, so there was that. biggrin.gif
post #1970 of 2341

newbie to the site, but an old sandy gross fan (i've owned two sets of def tech speakers in the past - first a set of bi-polars and now a set of mythos ST's).

 

i am considering triton twos, a SC XL, and a pair of SS60's.

 

however, when looking at the SS60's, knowing i would also have to buy a pair of stands, i started to consider instead a pair of triton 7's for my surrounds.

 

any thoughts?

 

thanks in advance!

post #1971 of 2341
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Originally Posted by gnahra View Post

newbie to the site, but an old sandy gross fan (i've owned two sets of def tech speakers in the past - first a set of bi-polars and now a set of mythos ST's).

i am considering triton twos, a SC XL, and a pair of SS60's.

however, when looking at the SS60's, knowing i would also have to buy a pair of stands, i started to consider instead a pair of triton 7's for my surrounds.

any thoughts?

thanks in advance!

That's good thinking! The Seven's as surrounds would sound awesome, and they'd cost $100 less per speaker. Win, win.
post #1972 of 2341

I just picked up a pair of Triton Two's and a Sat 50C today to upgrade my system from Def Tech BP-7006 and a LCR 2300. These were floor models so already broken in.

 

I have a Yamaha RX-A2000 receiver, an Epik Legend Subwoofer with dual 12" in seal enclosure running through a Antimode 8803 Cinema DSP.  The side and back surrounds are Def tech BiPolar in wall units.

 

I know there are several ways to hookup the Subs and I know the best way is to experiment but I thought I would ask for some suggestion. My room is over 3500 CU FT.  I am limited to only one choice for speaker locations and the T2's are only about 6" from the back wall, I know not ideal but...

 

Right now I have them hooked up with the speaker wires and set to large with Sub on XO at 80 hz. Antimode Eq'ing the sub with Yamaha YPAO PEQ the rest of the speakers.  This is how i was wired with the Def Techs.

 

So hear are several options I was considering and would appreciate comments.

 

Leave it as is and/or adjust the XO freq.

 

The AVR has two sub outs so I could Y the T2"s on one output and put the Epik with the Antimode on the other output

 

I could run both T2's and the Epik of one output and use the Antimode to flatten out the combined peaks in all the subs.  I would have to try to level match them first of course.

 

I could use the Antimode on the output to the T2's subs only.

 

Like I said, I know experimentation is the way to go but would appreciate any insight any one might have.

 

I also posted this over in the Subwoofer section

post #1973 of 2341
I currently have 4 invisa 650 and I am looking to potentially upgrade two of them to the Invisa 7000. My rears havre to be in ceiling so I'm looking to upgrade but need to understand what the difference would' potentially be. Anybody heard both?

I am a huge fan of my triton 2s and they bring me joy but if the company came out with a triton 1 I would upgrade in a heart beat.
post #1974 of 2341
it looks like I will be selling my new aons 3 and my super center X, if interested pm me.
post #1975 of 2341
I'm hoping Sandy has something up his sleeve for CES 2014 regarding the supersat series. It's been a few years since the supersat series came out and not much has changed.

Those new 5/25" mid/bass drivers (currently sitting in the new Triton 7 towers) would sure look nice in a slightly larger supersat speaker. I believe it would give the much needed bass response, both in terms of speed and a lower frequency.

If so, I'd be interested in getting a set to try out.
post #1976 of 2341
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Originally Posted by gnahra View Post

newbie to the site, but an old sandy gross fan (i've owned two sets of def tech speakers in the past - first a set of bi-polars and now a set of mythos ST's).

i am considering triton twos, a SC XL, and a pair of SS60's.

however, when looking at the SS60's, knowing i would also have to buy a pair of stands, i started to consider instead a pair of triton 7's for my surrounds.

any thoughts?

thanks in advance!

Hey Gnahra,

One thing to keep in mind is that it's generally preferred, including by Sandy Gross himself I believe, that your surrounds should be placed much higher than ear level. Also the SuperSats actually perform better mounted with reinforcement from the wall than on the stands.

So keeping in mind where the tweeter would sit on a wall mounted SS60, a stand SS60, and a T7 for surrounds I would think the the best option would actually be a pair of SS60s wall mounted. If it's the choice between stand mounted SS60 or a T7, I think the T7 would not only perform better, but at least keep the tweeter nearer to ear level. I haven't actually seen a stand mounted SS60, but judging by the pictures on the GoldenEar website it actually looks like its tweeter would be quite low to the ground; especially with the floor stand. You could add height to it if you choose a table stand? Just some other things that might be worth considering.
post #1977 of 2341
My SS50 had its left bass radiator separate from the housing, producing audible distortion. Took to my dealer for verification. Goldenear was going to replace the SS50 under warranty. I asked my dealer if i could use the credit for the new SS50 towards the SCXL. Here it is




post #1978 of 2341
The other day I was watching nfl network and I was hearing my one of my triton 2 and I could hear it was wrong It was distorting the voices were not audible but now I can't hear anything wrong has anybody had this happen ?
post #1979 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Sfniner View Post

The other day I was watching nfl network and I was hearing my one of my triton 2 and I could hear it was wrong It was distorting the voices were not audible but now I can't hear anything wrong has anybody had this happen ?

If it was just the NFL network, it was probably a problem on their end. Try switching to something else if it happens again - like Blu-ray. If it doesn't follow the change in source, the Triton isn't the problem.
post #1980 of 2341
Is this speakers are much better compare to my energy RC SERIES speakers in terms of HT bluray movies? If yes which speakers from the arx? Thanks
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