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post #61 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Well, I just did a dealer locator and the 3 closest to me are all 5 hrs one way! I guess I won't be hearing them any time soon.

Can you get a dealer in Michigan please Sandy!!!

Hi, We are in the process of setting up our dealer network which is moving along very nicely. I would suggest checking back to the dealer locator on our site in 2 or 3 weeks. Sandy Gross
post #62 of 2341
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Originally Posted by fenderu2 View Post

Hey, I'd LOVE to audition these. Will they be in any dealers in MN anytime soon?? Our two main stores are Best Buy and Ultimate Electronics and they both carry Def Tech so it seems unlikely they'd carry both. I have a pair of BP 2006s in my bedroom and over the last 4-6 months I'm looking for something that would be better, and it has been very hard to find anything under 3k that will smoke them. I do really like Focal 826 or 836s but I'd need a sub with both, and I am struggling as to whether they'd be $3-$4k better than what I have. These golden ears aren't dipoles so I'm wondering if maybe they give a different soundstage than Deftech.

Hi, As above, we are in the process of setting up our dealer network. I believe that the Tritons will very much provide what you are looking for. Obviously I am slightly prejudiced. We are starting to get some nice reports regarding our debut at CEDIA, which is still going on. The nice write-up on Soundstage does a good job of describing things. Sandy Gross http://soundstagenetwork.com/index.p...res&Itemid=171
post #63 of 2341
Sandy,
I am reading every piece of literature I can find on the Tritons, as I am in the market for speakers right now and my wife is all about not having a standalone subwoofer which sounds good to me as long as it can push out a 20hz bass note that is powerful enough to make me grin. I just have a hard time seeing these rather slender towers doing that. Like an earlier poster, I would like to see some specs that include the -3 and -6dB drop points in frequency response either anechoic or in typical room if you can provide that for us. Thanks in advance.
post #64 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Come on now. A few years from now, you'll be singing a different tune!

Nah, never look back to the past. There isnt remotely anything I like about domes considering how good Ribbons like the Raals are. Domes will never be able to match the measured response of ribbons. Ribbons for critical listening and waveguides/CDs for high dynamics in the HT enviroment.

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I doubt you'll see that. Historically, the AMT tweeters had a reputation for raggedy response, resonances, durability issues and the efficiency improvements if you will, came from being placed within a magnet structure geometry that acted somewhat as a horn. As to whether the magnet geometry is constructed so the loading is optimized or compromised might not be a fair debate. I would think they must have found an inexpensive source in China for their manufacture to keep the costs down.

Ah....these are just like the ESS AMT1s or the Beyma TPL-150???

The Beyma TPL-150 has a pretty good following and if anyone wants to know the real truth about responses, resonance and durability then diyaudio.com or HTguide.com has many builds with these choices.
post #65 of 2341
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, We are in the process of setting up our dealer network which is moving along very nicely. I would suggest checking back to the dealer locator on our site in 2 or 3 weeks. Sandy Gross

Hi, Where in Michigan do you live? Sandy Gross
post #66 of 2341
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

Nah, never look back to the past. There isnt remotely anything I like about domes considering how good Ribbons like the Raals are. Domes will never be able to match the measured response of ribbons. Ribbons for critical listening and waveguides/CDs for high dynamics in the HT enviroment.

LOL! You need to define the playing field here at least in terms of costs. By costs I mean not what you might happen to score a ribbon for because you managed to luck out and got the deal of a lifetime. One of these days you'll have to show me the measurements you've done on one of your finished products.



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Ah....these are just like the ESS AMT1s or the Beyma TPL-150???

NI. I'm guessing to pull the speaker in at those prices it's going to take pricing that's at least an order of magnitude less than those.

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The Beyma TPL-150 has a pretty good following and if anyone wants to know the real truth about responses, resonance and durability then diyaudio.com or HTguide.com has many builds with these choices.

How's about knowing the truth on what the final product measures up as instead of relying on published data for individual drivers. Come on now Penn. There are great vanillas around the world but if you don't know how to bake, you'll wind up making sh!tty brownies but with great vanilla.
post #67 of 2341
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

Nah, never look back to the past. There isnt remotely anything I like about domes considering how good Ribbons like the Raals are. Domes will never be able to match the measured response of ribbons. Ribbons for critical listening and waveguides/CDs for high dynamics in the HT enviroment.



Ah....these are just like the ESS AMT1s or the Beyma TPL-150???

The Beyma TPL-150 has a pretty good following and if anyone wants to know the real truth about responses, resonance and durability then diyaudio.com or HTguide.com has many builds with these choices.

Hi, The AMT 1s Heil driver is 30 years old and really first generation. Our tweeter is more similar to the Beyma. The GoldenEar HVFR tweeter is smaller in order to achieve better dispersion. We had a clear response here at CEDIA that the dispersion was excellent. The nature of this kind of design is that you get better dispersion not only based on size but because of the improved impedance match (coupling) to the air as well as the way it propagates sound waves into the room. Another challenge with these tweeters is to get them to match and blend well with the drivers used below them. Our upper bass/midrange drivers are small, fast, linear and virtually resonance-free even above their crossover point. These unique drivers were developed from scratch by our engineering team specifically for use in these systems and to blend well with the HVFR tweeter. They incorporate a unique "multi-vaned" phase plug (if you look at them you can clearly see why I call it that) and actually have smooth, breakup-free response out to almost 20 kHz. Sandy Gross
post #68 of 2341
Perhaps its too early, but any info on power requirements or suggested power to drive these? Seems to me that DTs have been fairly efficient speakers, will these require larger standalone amps to drive, or will they be receiver-friendly?
post #69 of 2341
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, The AMT 1s Heil driver is 30 years old and really first generation. Our tweeter is more similar to the Beyma. The GoldenEar HVFR tweeter is smaller in order to achieve better dispersion. We had a clear response here at CEDIA that the dispersion was excellent. The nature of this kind of design is that you get better dispersion not only based on size but because of the improved impedance match (coupling) to the air as well as the way it propagates sound waves into the room. Another challenge with these tweeters is to get them to match and blend well with the drivers used below them. Our upper bass/midrange drivers are small, fast, linear and virtually resonance-free even above their crossover point. These unique drivers were developed from scratch by our engineering team specifically for use in these systems and to blend well with the HVFR tweeter. They incorporate a unique "multi-vaned" phase plug (if you look at them you can clearly see why I call it that) and actually have smooth, breakup-free response out to almost 20 kHz. Sandy Gross

Very interesting stuff there. Thanks for posting, do you have any measurements, off axis up to 60 degrees would be awesome along with some CSDs?

Also, Anyone building and selling your type of tweeter to the DIY community?

btw, The Amt1s recently came back out and were being sold on Parts Express for a little while. I think a couple of builds over on DIYaudio.com happened.
post #70 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

LOL! You need to define the playing field here at least in terms of costs. By costs I mean not what you might happen to score a ribbon for because you managed to luck out and got the deal of a lifetime. One of these days you'll have to show me the measurements you've done on one of your finished products.

Its actual difficult to apply a price target on DIY fun You know Im not buying low costs drivers either, some of my drivers cost alone cost more then 90% of the speakers bantered around on this forum daily so where would I start to price out the final product. Plus Im an active design guy so Im not sure what measurements would show. I can EQ a flat on-axis response if you like but that would be meaningless since it alone tells us nothing. Its funny but by the time I get one set of speakers done, Im back building 2.0 version of the same speaker. I guess I get more out of the building/design process then the finished product, I enjoy spending 6 weeks on a new build just because I applied treatments to the back of the waveguides and I kept them in separate boxes. Its nice to compare old vs new.

I have several boxes sitting around now not used and I will have 2 more sets not used by 2012....if only I had local people wanting left over speakers


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How's about knowing the truth on what the final product measures up as instead of relying on published data for individual drivers. Come on now Penn. There are great vanillas around the world but if you don't know how to bake, you'll wind up making sh!tty brownies but with great vanilla.

I never used published data, you knew that didn't you. I always look for measured responses from other DIYers or measure myself. I posted diyaudio.com as a source for measurements (maybe) because that would be a DIY 3rd party measurement site.

100% agree with your last sentence, you do come up with the best analogies
post #71 of 2341
I think my question about bass response got over-looked
post #72 of 2341
Come on now Penn! The measurements would show how well you were able to integrate all those premium drivers, location, and cabinet construction to arrive at a final product (I know, nothing's final with you! ) whose measured performance meets the type of personal standards that you espouse. You could do on and off axis for starters and depending upon what you have, other means of characterizing their performance, no?
post #73 of 2341
^^^ Guys, lets please keep this thread on topic and not let it turn into yet another one about a specific speaker company and/or model that gets hi-jacked by Penn over his DIY claims.
post #74 of 2341
Sandy as a long time owner of both Polk when i first started this hobby and now DefTech, I have a concern as do others it seems with the built in powered "subs" I own the BP7001s and when set to Large the bass becomes very bloated and drops off very fast below 30Hz so I (like many others here) have to set their towers to small with a 40hz crossover (kinda negating the need for such large towers in my opinion and naturally we (you core buyer) have to buy outboard subs to get the real low end.

With speakers like the new Atlantic Technology H-Pas design which can now acheive 29hz +/- 3db at 105db with only 3% distortion using no powered sub and two 4.5" drivers in a 1.4 cubic foot enclosure. Then why can't your former company with powered sub drivers and now GoldenEar (it appears without your company listing the +/- 3db stats on the sub driver) achieve decent bass down to 20hz with powered drivers and dual passive radiators without sounding bloated and losing steam below 30hz.

Don't get me wrong, I love my towers with a passion and they give me immense mid bass in conjuction with my SVS sub for the real low end, but am conflicted on how Atlantic Technologies H-Pas design can match the bass output of my 7001s with no powered drivers and it seems these speakers may be your biggest competition in the near future because forums like this will quickly learn just how low the Triton will go (along with a posted +/- 3db frequency) . Can you please update us with the true frequency depth of the Triton so we your consumers can make a more educated purchase. Becasue if the past has proven anything, it's that you will need an outboard subwoofer to make a real impact and that powered mid bass drivers in fancy looking cabinets won't just cut it. Thanks for letting me bend your ear and congrats on the new endeavor.
post #75 of 2341
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

Nah, never look back to the past. There isnt remotely anything I like about domes considering how good Ribbons like the Raals are.

Have you had a chance to hear the RAAL's yet, Penn?

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Domes will never be able to match the measured response of ribbons. Ribbons for critical listening and waveguides/CDs for high dynamics in the HT enviroment.

Are you saying that a compression driver in a waveguide cannot match a ribbon for accuracy? I myself am torn between the two. So much so, that I have been considering starting a thread about it.
post #76 of 2341
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Originally Posted by mark russ View Post

^^^ Guys, lets please keep this thread on topic and not let it turn into yet another one about a specific speaker company and/or model that gets hi-jacked by Penn over his DIY claims.

Sorry, you are right. I'll take my thread jack elsewhere.
post #77 of 2341
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Originally Posted by mark russ View Post

^^^ Guys, lets please keep this thread on topic and not let it turn into yet another one about a specific speaker company and/or model that gets hi-jacked by Penn over his DIY claims.

It is on topic, We are discussing the tweeters.

I have no claims either whatsover, Chu posted incorrect assumptions about these types of tweeters, I will wait for his links too I posted that he can go over to some good forums that have a lot of data on this stuff.

IF you want read, learn and contribute please do so and If you want to ignore please do so but we are on topic of the twitter. This is technical stuff not fluff how does it sound BS that fills the empty space that science should fill
post #78 of 2341
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Originally Posted by tesseract67 View Post

Have you had a chance to hear the RAAL's yet, Penn?



Are you saying that a compression driver in a waveguide cannot match a ribbon for accuracy? I myself am torn between the two. So much so, that I have been considering starting a thread about it.

I cancelled my order of the RAALs so I didnt hear them.

Definitely create a thread with those questions but I will say that the waveguide/CD is the most accurate tweeter period since its off axis measurements, along with distortion measurements are superior to all other tweeter choices. The problem with having accurate off axis measurements is that most people will consider the sound to be brighter then usually, its because there isnt any rolled off reflected sounds any more like Domes and ribbons (ribbons on the vertical axis roll off).
post #79 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Come on now Penn! The measurements would show how well you were able to integrate all those premium drivers, location, and cabinet construction to arrive at a final product (I know, nothing's final with you! ) whose measured performance meets the type of personal standards that you espouse. You could do on and off axis for starters and depending upon what you have, other means of characterizing their performance, no?


I do not espouse personal standards actually
post #80 of 2341
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, Where in Michigan do you live? Sandy Gross

I live in Jackson, Michigan. Not a huge town but much larger cities nearby like Lansing and Ann Arbor I frequent regularly.
post #81 of 2341
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post


It is on topic, We are discussing the tweeters.

I have no claims either whatsover, Chu posted incorrect assumptions about these types of tweeters, I will wait for his links too I posted that he can go over to some good forums that have a lot of data on this stuff.

IF you want read, learn and contribute please do so and If you want to ignore please do so but we are on topic of the twitter. This is technical stuff not fluff how does it sound BS that fills the empty space that science should fill

I agree with mark this is off topic go have a tweeter argument somewhere else. Your "science" is regarding your implementation not goldenear's.
post #82 of 2341
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

Hi, The SuperSat 50C is the matching center channel and the SuperSat 3s are the surrounds although you could obviously use SuperSat 50s or another pair of Tritons as surrounds. Sandy Gross



So you are saying the SS50Cand the SS3s provide the same audio quality as the triton two

There have been RAVE initial reviews of the Triton floorstanders and it is obvious they will be something special.......my current floorstanding benchmark are the Paradigm Reference Signature S8 with the BE tweets.....it looks like there is a chance the Triton Twos can run with these paradigms.....

That said, a Paradigm Signature HT would also consist of a C5 center and S1s or S2s, which are some serious kit....


If, for $250-500, the SS50C and SS3s could run with the Paradigm siggys, my jaw would hit the floor
post #83 of 2341
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Originally Posted by goldenear tech View Post

hi, we are in the process of setting up our dealer network which is moving along very nicely. I would suggest checking back to the dealer locator on our site in 2 or 3 weeks. Sandy gross


please consider las vegas, nv too:d
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This new line is a joke, come on did anyone look at the site yet?? Love the market sayings thrown around

1200 Watt ForceField Subwoofer <- Because a safe woofer is a good woofer lmao

Proprietary Computer Optimized Cone Topology <- pretty sure all speakers are drawn in CAD these days..

Quadratic Cone topology for Maximum Cone Surface Optimization <-gee looks a lot like the mythos cones...

18 Hz - 35 kHz at what -10dB maybe??

C'Mon Sandy show us something really innovative and not a bunch marketing jargon and same design used by another manufacturer...and whats the obsession of built in subs about???
post #85 of 2341
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Originally Posted by khellandros66 View Post



This new line is a joke, come on did anyone look at the site yet?? Love the market sayings thrown around

1200 Watt ForceField Subwoofer <- Because a safe woofer is a good woofer lmao

Proprietary Computer Optimized Cone Topology <- pretty sure all speakers are drawn in CAD these days..

Quadratic Cone topology for Maximum Cone Surface Optimization <-gee looks a lot like the mythos cones...

18 Hz - 35 kHz at what -10dB maybe??

C'Mon Sandy show us something really innovative and not a bunch marketing jargon and same design used by another manufacturer...and whats the obsession of built in subs about???

Perhaps you have some support for your statement above? The review you most certainly conducted would be most appreciated so that some of us who haven't heard them yet can understand what they compare to, strengths and weaknesses and such.

I know the first thing I do when I want to determine the quality of a product is base my primary conclusion off the amount of technical jargon thrown around on the sales ONLY website

Lets keep things objective.
post #86 of 2341
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Perhaps you have some support for your statement above? The review you most certainly conducted would be most appreciated so that some of us who haven't heard them yet can understand what they compare to, strengths and weaknesses and such.

I know the first thing I do when I want to determine the quality of a product is base my primary conclusion off the amount of technical jargon thrown around on the sales ONLY website

Lets keep things objective.

Okay keeping things objective, I see a site that sells a product that is rendered in CG, I see a bunch of marketing smoke and mirrors and jargon. How about a FS graph to back up the FS claims of all their products? While you are at it impress me by doing On-Axis, 15deg Off-Axis, and 30deg Off Axis measurements of your products.

Now numbers alone won't determine a products sound quality, but showing some credible evidence of performance capabilities goes a long way in your favor...

Surely they have the resources to do this, its not like they don't test the final product anyways (at least I hope they do!).

Keep it real guys, truly..

Bob
post #87 of 2341
Not to mention he seems to only follow one design plan.... this guy hasn't produced anything ground breaking or even new as far as design goes for over 10 years. He started a new company the how surprising the design looks terribly familiar to his previous company? Seems as though he doesn't have any "idea's" only one idea and frankly one that's generally not the greatest as others have pointed out.
post #88 of 2341
Wow! 18hz bass response! That's mighty impressive!!! You certainly don't need a sub with those... I bet these can play really loud! Also done by a company called GoldenEar, well ok, maybe they missed an 's' at the end, well, hoping they have two ears... As that usually works better for critical listening... But as I was saying, you know these people know what they're talking about.. Ahem, I mean, what they're listening too... Since they've got like awesome hearing... Better than yours, that's for sure... And well better than Penn's, Penn has crap hearing, that's why he needs to build speakers which play to like one million dB... So he can hear something... Friggin giant horns, then needs to wear them like headphones... No wonder he's deaf!

Btw, if "goldenear tech" is the designer, why isn't he called "Goldenear designer" instead of "Goldenear tech"? Something fishy here...

Shiiit, their manual even rates the speakers down to 16hz... That's 2hz lower than 18hz!! so that's even better than the 18hz spec in their specs!!! Should correct ASAP!!!! People should know they're getting solid 16hz bass response and not just 18hz response!!!!! That 16hz response is unbelievable... No really... I bet some people won't believe it! Yet it's there in the specs... So it's like, the bible... Proof is in the pudding!
post #89 of 2341
http://stereophile.com/news/the_2010_cedia_show_day_1/

"First off, Sandy Gross's new company Golden Ear Technology offered a tidy line of clean-sounding overachievers. Even the top of the line Triton Two Tower is only $2500/pair for a full 3-way system with powered dual woofers and a ribbon tweeter reminiscent of the Heil ribbon design. The accompanying picture fails to convey the sleekness of the tower and, of course, you will have to take my word that it sounded balanced and decidedly full-range. The rest of the line includes the smaller SuperSat 3 ($250 each), a larger SuperSat 50 ($500 each), both passive 2-ways in both horizontal and vertical configurations as well as a pair of complementary powered subs; all get their good looks from the design for the towers. Sandy knows what he is doing."

Kal - can you expand on your initial impressions?
post #90 of 2341
cvictorg,

May I suggest that you put some "quotation marks" around the paragraph you just posted? As you quoted Kals comments from his article, it might lead to less confusion for someone.
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