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post #241 of 252
Until recently I had a DTP-94 which I always understood to be one of the better cheaper meters. However, I was never entirely happy with the resulting calibrations, they just never looked right and I constantly went back and messed with the settings trying to tweak the pq but it never looked 100% correct to my eyes.

Enter the Colormunki! One 30 minute session with the Munki Design (using the excellent Calman which so far is the only software that supports the Munki) and my Kuro display looked absolutely fantastic!! I mean it was breathtaking. There wasn't much difference between the settings between the DTP-94 and the Munki, but those few clicks made a WORLD of difference.

I also managed to tame the CMS on our LCD which was almost impossible with the DTP94 (it was off sufficiently that the CMS and resulting grayscale calibration never looked right). The DTP-94 calibration looks a joke by comparison and like I said, it wasn't that far out but far enough to make a difference.

Very quick and very accurate. Not great at the low-end (0 to 10 is never really consistent and 20 looks iffy but I wouldn't expect it to be nor is it really required for us DIY'ers so not an issue). Struggled a bit getting it to hang right on the front of the screen as has been mentioned, but no biggie, (that tripod mount would be handy though).

The Munki rules, no question. Best money I've spent on AV equipment in a loooooong time!

The Funky Munki ha-ha
post #242 of 252
Profile the dtp94 off the munki and you can do the 10-20 range.
post #243 of 252
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Originally Posted by Paul Butler View Post

Not great at the low-end (0 to 10 is never really consistent and 20 looks iffy but I wouldn't expect it to be nor is it really required for us DIY'ers so not an issue).

I'm a bit surprised by this. Mine seems quite stable and repeatable down to about 5% stimulus and my panel has a very low MLL.
post #244 of 252
Mine is unstable (not accurate) till 20% as well.
post #245 of 252
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I'm a bit surprised by this. Mine seems quite stable and repeatable down to about 5% stimulus and my panel has a very low MLL.

I would admit that I'm ignoring everything under 30% anyway, so I haven't really been keeping a close watch on it. The couple times I did it didn't look right but like I said, I'm so used to under 30% being "wrong" when using the DTP94 that I just ignore it - if it is indeed reporting things are good down to 5% or so then I apologise for giving out misleading information. Makes me even happier I bought a Munki though!
post #246 of 252
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Originally Posted by kokap View Post

OK.
I have tested my i1Pro, ColorMunki Photo and Spyder3Elite on several computer monitors: NEC LCD2490WUXi2 (standard gamut) and NEC LCD2690WUXi2 (wide gamut).
See the table below represented one test (with the worst results).

P.S. My Spyder3 is very inaccurate for wide gamut displays.

Thanks do much for posting that data - its so hard to get hard comparative data on these devices. The two spectros show reasonable agreement.

The one colorimeter you tested is, as you said, known to have problems with wide gamut screens - I wonder if in the mean time you have got your hands on an i1 Display Pro, or the newly announced, 7-sensor Spyder4?

I find my i1 Display Pro to work pretty well with my wide gamut monitor. But I don't have anything to compare it with.
post #247 of 252
Hi

Please forgive my lack of knowledge here i have a colormunki that i use to calibrate my Del monitor for photography.

I know that it can be used with projectors but could it be used with a Panasonic 50VT30 Plasma?

If so roughly how would i do it please?

Thanks
post #248 of 252
I've bought a Colormunki Photo because I cannot afford an i1Pro Spectro.
Seems Chromapure do not support it so managed to profile my C6 successfully (thanks to support at Spectracal).

Read virtually all this thread and the tips regarding its positioning etc. have been useful.

I find it best to fit my C6 onto the tripod (via its bracket) then after positioning the Colormunki against the screen of my LCD I can press the closed C6 behind the Colormunki ti keep it in place.

For anyone else who finds the i1Pro Spectro expensive I can recommend this one.

As far as I am aware accuracy is not an issue for the amateur (probably because it shares its active componants with the i1 Spectro), its main problem is its shape but that is no real hardship as said above.

Not sure how it would perform with a PJ but for my Display it's ideal.
post #249 of 252
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

I've bought a Colormunki Photo because I cannot afford an i1Pro Spectro.
Seems Chromapure do not support it so managed to profile my C6 successfully (thanks to support at Spectracal).
Read virtually all this thread and the tips regarding its positioning etc. have been useful.
I find it best to fit my C6 onto the tripod (via its bracket) then after positioning the Colormunki against the screen of my LCD I can press the closed C6 behind the Colormunki ti keep it in place.
For anyone else who finds the i1Pro Spectro expensive I can recommend this one.
As far as I am aware accuracy is not an issue for the amateur (probably because it shares its active componants with the i1 Spectro), its main problem is its shape but that is no real hardship as said above.
Not sure how it would perform with a PJ but for my Display it's ideal.

The biggest problem with the ColorMunki Spectro is that X-Rite in its infinite wisdom refused to allow SpectraCal competitiors access to its SDK. Only SpectraCal was allowed to sell it with software support from what i understand. This restriction on the CM spectro is one of my pet peeves. Tom would certainly have loved to support in its heyday.

I just bought an i1 pro from SpectraCal on their recent annual garage sale. It came with a fresh cert and and although B-Stock was complete with carry case and all accessoris. It was not as cheap as some deals on fleabay but it seem eminently fair considering how little extra capability the new gen adds. The fresh cert was a plus. Like you I intend to use it to profile my D3.
post #250 of 252
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

The biggest problem with the ColorMunki Spectro is that X-Rite in its infinite wisdom refused to allow SpectraCal competitiors access to its SDK. Only SpectraCal was allowed to sell it with software support from what i understand. This restriction on the CM spectro is one of my pet peeves. Tom would certainly have loved to support in its heyday.
I just bought an i1 pro from SpectraCal on their recent annual garage sale. It came with a fresh cert and and although B-Stock was complete with carry case and all accessoris. It was not as cheap as some deals on fleabay but it seem eminently fair considering how little extra capability the new gen adds. The fresh cert was a plus. Like you I intend to use it to profile my D3.

Hi Gary,

Yes, yet another example of 'previous' between Xrite and Chromapure.

Anyway, I bought my Colormunki just before the garage sale you refer to so I missed out on that.
The purchase was mainly to remove the nagging doubt I had that my particular Display may not be close to its type when choosing from the Colorimeter options.

Actually turned out to be OK so the D3 (in its C6 guise at least) is quite close so thank you Mr Toshiba and also Mr Spectracal.

I have no way to do this with my OEM D3 although I could profile it in Calman but how useful that would be to my Chromapure calibration is full of uncertainties for me.

Currently i am using the 'Colorchecker' capability within Calman to evaluate my calibrations and can probably use that to check out my night setting in Duo (Chromapure / OEM D3) via the profiled C6.

No doubt you will test out the OEM D3 on your Mitsi with the I1 Pro Spectro ?
post #251 of 252
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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Hi Gary,
Yes, yet another example of 'previous' between Xrite and Chromapure.
Anyway, I bought my Colormunki just before the garage sale you refer to so I missed out on that.
The purchase was mainly to remove the nagging doubt I had that my particular Display may not be close to its type when choosing from the Colorimeter options.
Actually turned out to be OK so the D3 (in its C6 guise at least) is quite close so thank you Mr Toshiba and also Mr Spectracal.
I have no way to do this with my OEM D3 although I could profile it in Calman but how useful that would be to my Chromapure calibration is full of uncertainties for me.
Currently i am using the 'Colorchecker' capability within Calman to evaluate my calibrations and can probably use that to check out my night setting in Duo (Chromapure / OEM D3) via the profiled C6.
No doubt you will test out the OEM D3 on your Mitsi with the I1 Pro Spectro ?

I have a brother's Sharp 80" to profile and I wanted to be able to "know" the D3 tables were in line. I also have a plasma here I have never done and this 37" Panny LED on my destop also needs a look.. Honestly even though there is a Rear Projection DLP table for the D3 Pro.. there is always that tiny bit of doubt tjat my display is unlike the one Tom uses when he puts out his table.

One thing with the spectros is you know they are stable and unless you have an exoctic light source the i1 is going to do a reasonable job with it. I did have my D3 looked at by Tom and it had drifted more than the others he had seen. That infuenced me to make this buy as well.

Anyway, the probe, the full accessory kit, case and the cert was attractive to me. Although right now is probably the worst time to spend another $500 on AV gear I felt much more comfortable with this than waiting for that lucky auction on eBay for $250 only to find out something was amiss.
post #252 of 252
If I had had the chance at the garage sale pre Colormunki purchase i would have been sorely tempted.

Problem for me would have been HMRC (otherwise known as UK Customs) who would probably impose a largish tariff on the purchase.

Your reasons to buy are very similar to mine but I wish I could find some way to Profile the D3.
Probably have to stick to Colorchecker as a common test.
As you are aware they can drift and what's more it is unlikely Tom works to exactly the same LUT's per genre as does Derek's team..

I suppose we are both splitting hairs in not trusting a Colorimeter (from a visible threshold point of view that is) but if the doubt is there you have to be sure.
Edited by PE06MCG - 12/29/12 at 11:46am
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