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post #31 of 127
millerman, damn you for getting me all excited! I just checked the test channels and I still get the Not Authorized message on all 4. :(
post #32 of 127
Sorry about that scott, they just popped on and they are still there!! Now I just need to get a widescreen HDTV intead of this 4:3 tv.
post #33 of 127
Jaymer,
Thanks for the info. I wouldn't say that #1, #2, #3, nor #4 (at this time) applies to me, especially if they play their widescreen movies sporadically. I really am looking for OTA network stations, and from what I have seen people in Westchase can get those with the proper antenna setup. Please if I am wrong about Westchase someone correct me.

Does the 3100HD pickup / decode OTA channels? If so wouldn't it be cheaper to get that through TW, instead of buying a DTC100? What are some pro's for Sat, and what other cheap HD decoders are there out there, if any?

I have been tempted to get a dish several times during football season, but I wanted the Dish network 6000 but they don't carry NFL ticket (yet ;-)). Now that there is a pending merger, I don't know if I want to get either Dish Network or DirecTV...

I carumba... anyone done any cost comparisons on TWC with HD / month vs Sat with HD/ month?

Thanks again in advanced...
BlackCatt


Quote:
Originally posted by jaymer
blackcatt - welcome to the tampa thread!
There's been a waiting list for well over a year... ScottA put his name on the list back in 1999.

here's my take on the 3100HD.

1) if you are REALLY set on watching a series (sopranos, etc.) in HD, then you need the box. THIS IS MY CASE - I'm willing to pay per month to have ONLY the Sopranos in HD - a bit eccetric perhaps but I'd also like to see band of brothers in HD and 5.1

The sporadic widescreen OAR movies broadcast on HBO are hard to tune in when you can watch (ie. some HD movie comes on at 1:30 in the afternoon... uhh, I'm at work!), so there's really no benefit I believe in getting these crappy upconverted movies.

2) if you cannot receive OTA locals, then you need the box (soon, they'll have locals)

3) if you are getting locals via OTA, then you only need the box if #1 applies.

4) if you can receive OTA and you want to record OTA (like I do), then the box isn't for you even if they add locals (because you can't record anything except analog via svideo) unless #1 applies (but this is the same for a Satellite as the OTA locals via 8VSB are recordable with a HTPC)

anyone else have reasons?
post #34 of 127
scott,

unless they are stretching the immage vertically (and it dosnt look that way to me) then they must be trimming some off the immage to get a 2.35:1 to fit on 16:9.

two aspect ratios cannot occupy the same space withought one being altered in some way. these altered films are NOT OAR. yes they are better than a fully cropped 4:3 p&s to be sure- but still not OAR.

now star trek TMP is on HBO right now, and its 2.35:1 (or there about :) ) and is presented properly WITH bars top and bottom.

why cant they present all their stuff (that is wider than 16:9) this way?
post #35 of 127
Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Kraus
scott,

unless they are stretching the immage vertically (and it dosnt look that way to me) then they must be trimming some off the immage to get a 2.35:1 to fit on 16:9.
Actually, as I recently discovered, in some of the films shown on HDHBO, they're doing just the opposite - they're showing them open matted. They're restoring portions of the film that were previously covered by mattes.

Check out the screenshots of Gladiator towards the bottom of this page for an example:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3&pagenumber=2
post #36 of 127
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scott,

unless they are stretching the immage vertically (and it dosnt look that way to me) then they must be trimming some off the immage to get a 2.35:1 to fit on 16:9.

two aspect ratios cannot occupy the same space withought one being altered in some way. these altered films are NOT OAR. yes they are better than a fully cropped 4:3 p&s to be sure- but still not OAR.

now star trek TMP is on HBO right now, and its 2.35:1 (or there about ) and is presented properly WITH bars top and bottom.

why cant they present all their stuff (that is wider than 16:9) this way?
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I believe the 3100 was showing 2.35:1 but stretched.

I watched both the 3100 and the DTC100.

While switching back and forth between the DTC100 and the 3100 there was very noticeable stretching on the 3100.

The DTC100 had more black bar space at the top and bottom (2.35:1 AR) and the picture quality was much better (more compressed).

Also the sound was better coming from the DTC100. I have both hooked up the same way thru my set to my receiver.
post #37 of 127
HBO upconverts at times ...they show OAR at times . I don't believe I've ever seen a presentation "trimmed".

I've been watching HDTV for over a year now and have seen just about everything the networks have tried to throw out there.

I remember Fox trying to show the Datonna 500 in "HD". It was a joke it wasn't even 480P. It was 480i stretched. I couldn't even watch it. FOX has made great improvements since then. The 480P they show is better than the 480i TWC and DirecTv claim as digital. I think we all know it is just compressed analog.

I saw the Superbowl 2 years ago presented by CBS in 1080i 16:9 ... it was incredible. The Final Four ... just as good.

All of this ..for over a year and no problems with the DTC100.

I hope the cable companies will continue moving forward with the transition to "true digital" because it will speed consumer sales... which translates to more HD proogramming for those of us that are here now.

I think the 3100 needs more work though.
post #38 of 127
BDH, the 3100 isn't stretching the video - it's sending it to the TV in the same format that it's being broadcast in. The result is full screen video (at least in the case of HDHBO high-def and upconverts). On a 16:9 television, it comes out in the right proportions. On a 4:3 television, however, it'll look vertically stretched unless the tv can compress/squeeze it and add the black bars to the top and bottom.
post #39 of 127
So what your telling me is ..if you don't have a widescreen TV the picture will look stretched ??
post #40 of 127
No offense, but I'm not buying into that argument.

Don't all converters convert ??

The DTC100 does
post #41 of 127
Scott, what I'm trying to say is if the3100 can't "convert" for all HD sets then it needs work ... if your going to sell to all consumers.:)
post #42 of 127
BDH, yes, what I'm saying is that unless you have a widescreen television or a 4:3 television capable of performing a squeeze, the output of the 3100 will be vertically stretched.

I'm aware of the fact that the DTC100 is capable of squeezing the video for proper display on a 4:3 television but look at what you paid for the DTC100. It's a much more capable, feature-rich device than the 3100. It'd be cost prohibitive for Scientific Atlanta to make the 3100 anthing more than what it already is.

Personally, I wouldn't expect ANY high definition receiver to have any squeeze/zoom/stretch capabilities for the sole purpose of maintaining proper proportions on different ratio televisions. It should really be up to the television to ensure that the video is displayed properly...

I'm surprised that your tv doesn't have an option to squeeze the video. Before my current widescreen, I (for a short period) had a 50" 4:3 ratio digital Mits - the vs50805, I think it was. I wasn't able to receive hd broadcasts at the time, but I did read in the manual that the television would vertically squeeze the hd video to maintain the proper aspect ratio. I just assumed that this feature was common to all 4:3 digital televisions. :(
post #43 of 127
Yep - it's really up to the TV/monitor to be able to handle the different modes and stretch and squeeze:

my STB is a UM1000A (aka Integra 815ST) and the only size adjustment feature it has is to stretch 4:3 material to a 16:9 display which makes everyone on screen look like the opposite of the old Panavision vertical stretch. Fortunately the 16:9 UHD3200 (aka Princeton Graphics AF3.OHD) has 480P, 720P and 1080i modes with independent selection of 4:3 NTSC, 1.66 "Euro widescreen", 1.77 HD or Anamorphic display sizes per input. Although I prefer OAR, one can easily "stretch to fit" (a 2.35 program vertically for example) should one wish to, much like a regular computer monitor.
post #44 of 127
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Personally, I wouldn't expect ANY high definition receiver to have any squeeze/zoom/stretch capabilities for the sole purpose of maintaining proper proportions on different ratio televisions. It should really be up to the television to ensure that the video is displayed properly...
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Huh???

I,m not privy to the costs of making a converter ... but the Pany says HD ready and that it is. It's done a fine job and I suspect it will continue to do so for a long time to come.

I can only relay what works for me for the use of everyone on the forum

Hey ... maybe I got a bad box :D
post #45 of 127
Quote:
Originally posted by BDH33761
Hey ... maybe I got a bad box
Stubborn!! :D

I'm sure your box is fine. It was just never meant to be used with a 4:3 display, unfortunately.

Do you know how to get into the pt51hx40 service menus? There might be a setting in there for putting the tv into squeeze mode. I know the pt51hx41 is supposed to have that option in the regular menus. Maybe it was already a feature of the earlier model & they just made it user accessible...
post #46 of 127
Went to Best Buy last night in Brandon. They have a HD feed of the Tampa Superbowl running on the display models. WOW does it look good. Wish I had my set back then...

Anyone have a Mitsubishi 65985? I'm noticing a lot of overscan and dunno enough about the service menu to adjust it. Any one have more experience?

Chris
post #47 of 127
Chris, overscan is pretty easy to adjust via the Mits service menus, assuming that you have a calibration DVD (AVIA or Video Essentials). You could do it sans the DVD to fix gross errors but you'll need a proper video pattern to fine tune it.

Check out The sPot for lots of info about your Mits and this thread, specifically, for adjusting overscan and a few other tweaks (eheh):

The Mitsubishi Tweaks Index of proceedures

That list will probably keep you busy for a month or two. I've done a number of those tweaks myself, including focus, geometry, overscan, red push, & gamma. It's made quite a difference.
post #48 of 127
So far to date, 25 stations have filed for a CP Extension in Florida for the May 1st deadline. Out of those, only 1 station broadcasting in Tampa has filed, WCLF. It is currectly on analog ch 22, the christian station.

This is not including the PBS stations, at least the ones in Tampa.
post #49 of 127
Oy Gevalt. No Christian station on deadline. Vey is meir. ;)
post #50 of 127
I'm still unable to receive the CBS OTA signal. I have tried everything. I live on Harbor Island, so it's obviously not a distance problem. Anyone else near downtown having this problem?

I'm now ready to give up and buy the DISH. I already have Directv, so it is overkill, but I do not want to miss the final four and the Masters in HD.

Has anyone here got DISH HDTV? Did CBS grant the waiver so you could receive the HD CBS Feed from DISH?

I've heard CBS can sometimes be a pain at denying national CBS Satellite feeds in the local area. In fact, when I signed up with Directv I asked for all 3 major networks national feeds. CBS was the only one who said no.

If I can't get CBS to allow me to receive the HD feed from DISH network, obviously it is not worth the investment.

Thanks,

Greg
post #51 of 127
As far as I heard, WTSP (CBS) will deny any request for a waiver. You might want to call them and tell them of your problem and even request that they come out to your property. Show them that you tried to get them OTA. If you still have receipts from your antenna purchases, show them.

Good Luck.
post #52 of 127
another station that broadcasts in Tampa has filed for a CP extension, WVEA. It is analog ch 62, a spanish station.

According to their CP extension application they are awaiting equipment from the vendors but should be OTA at low power on May 1st. It is also stated that the equipment should arrive on or just arrive May 1st.

WCLF, analog ch 22, also cited delays in receiving the equipment on their CP extension application.
post #53 of 127
From TitanTV and FCC:

Code:
Network   CH   Station   Live Date   Filed for Extension/Extension Date
A1        25   WVEA-DT   May 1 2002  YES/11/01/02
ABC       52   WWSB-DT   May 1 2002  YES/Not Available Yet
CTN       21   WCLF-DT   May 1 2002  YES/11/01/02
IND       19   WMOR-DT   May 1 2002  NO
PAX       42   WXPX-DT   May 1 2002  NO
PBS       34   WUSF-DT   May 1 2003  NO 
PBS       54   WEDU-DT   Jul 1 2002  NO
UPN       59   WTOG-DT   May 1 2002  NO
WB        57   WTTA-DT   May 1 2002  NO
The later dates at the end of the list may still file for extensions when their time comes up.

I can't wait until the PBS station comes up! Looks like not until July 1. I really really really hope that WEDU does not file for an extension. Do they have until May 1 to file (since their on-air date is July 1?)
post #54 of 127
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone,
I'm gonna give this another try and hopefully we'll get a bigger crowd than showed up for the December meet.

On THURSDAY, March 21, we'll be meeting in South Tampa - in the Howard/Armenia restaurant/bar district.

I'm awaiting a call back from the "group" laison for a particular place before we name the location - mark your calendars.

more info later


PS _ very funny Sleepy: Oy Gevalt. No Christian station on deadline. Vey is meir.

PPS _ please be sure your profiles are setup to receive an email when you are sent a private message. CHRIS MUSH still hasn't picked up mine from 2 weeks ago because he doesn't know there is a msg waiting for him.
post #55 of 127
Quote:
Originally posted by jaymer
Hey everyone,
I'm gonna give this another try and hopefully we'll get a bigger crowd than showed up for the December meet.

On THURSDAY, March 21, we'll be meeting in South Tampa - in the Howard/Armenia restaurant/bar district.

That area is full of crime, drugs, prostitutes....etc. I wouldn't go anywhere near there. Is there any reason you couldn't pick a decent place like northern Pinellas county?

bb
post #56 of 127
Unforunately I will not be able to make it that night. But if I could I wouldnt mind that area. That area is a nice place to take your date, spouse or bf/gf. Its the Hyde Park district.

Anyway, if it was any other night I would be there just not on a Thursday. But you guys have fun.
post #57 of 127
Thread Starter 
OK, last night I watched "DUDE, WHERE'S MY CAR"

The quality wasn't that good (and I'm not referring to the PQ)

It started kinda strong - so much that I chugged 2 beers hoping that a buzz might make enjoy the STONER humor more - buzz never came and STONER humor left after about the 1st 15 minutes - all this resulted in me belching through my nice meal my wife cooked for me :D

Note to self: After you've been out of town all week and are staying in with wife for nice meal - don't watch a C movie even if its in HD!!!

later dudes!
post #58 of 127
Quote:
Originally posted by Bschneider
Unforunately I will not be able to make it that night. But if I could I wouldnt mind that area. That area is a nice place to take your date, spouse or bf/gf. Its the Hyde Park district.

Anyway, if it was any other night I would be there just not on a Thursday. But you guys have fun.
I wouldn't mind going to Hyde Park, but I am placing Howard/Armenia in not-very-nice area of Tampa. I guess I really don't know too much about Tampa and my office on Dale Mabry is about the only places in Tampa I ever go to.

bb
post #59 of 127
Quote:
Originally posted by jaymer
OK, last night I watched "DUDE, WHERE'S MY CAR"


later dudes!
Somebody over 12 actually watched this rediculous movie???

bb
post #60 of 127
Thread Starter 
I'm not sure about Northern Pinellas, but if you could ask the natives to promise NOT to riot in South Pinellas, perhaps our next meet could be over there. :D

ok, at 1st I was thinking BB was kidding, now I see his reply - I guess we'd have to take BERNS off the list as well because of its location... or maybe we could all do a NetMeeting instead :D
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