Pioneer Kuro Elite Final Liquidation PRO-101FD, PRO-141FD, PRO-111FD and PRO-151FD - Page 7  

I know it's hard to predict these things, but at the rate things are going/changing chances are that it will happen within the next 2-3 years. It's not like it's a 50/50 thing that nothing will beat Kuro. It's like 80/20. That's why I can't comprehend the frenzy for Kuro at the 11th hour. It's not like they said plasma was going away...only Kuro (for now).

I agree.

If anything is certain, it's that technology doesn't stagnate.

Pioneer's technology is from 2008. From what I'm hearing, the Panasonic V10 is very close.

The 2010 models even closer (and using some of the Kuro engineering). I'd be very surprised if the Panasonic 2011 models are not equal to, if not surpass the last Kuros.

The frenzy is due to people wanting it today, and the fear of the unknown.

it's simple math. Now is not the time to buy a Pioneer Plasma for the average consumer because of the price increase. end of story... the liquid sale is only a myth.... time to move on..............

Actually, the light sensor is built in. You're speaking of the color sensor. I would say that there's a lot of division on whether to attach this or not. I chose not to as I didn't want my settings to change based on a sensor. As far as "do I need it" goes, no you don't need it and you probably won't miss it. Nice score! You'll love it but you will get as spoiled as the rest of us Pio owners are.

I was always under the impression that even if you go into and change the light sensor from the default off to on and activate the color sensor that the only way this works is on picture mode "optimum" I always thought that in any other picture mode it just ignored it.

By the way medmike welcome to the 151 club. It is a good club to be in. Enjoy!

Sure. If Pioneer was still in business, the 10g models would have taken a step forward - but they're not, so the question is given the state of the economy and the emphasis on 3D - how long will it take someone to catch up?

Companies have to invest a lot of money to re-tool a factory for a new production line, and Plasmas have gained sales by pushing the price point down.

The reviews on the new Panasonics will be out soon and we'll see, but catching up is still a relative term as the Pioneers were built to a high-end standard and the Panasonics/Samsungs are designed more for value. There's more to a Kuro than just black levels!

So yes, technology will march on, but each company has to decide where to invest their $$$ and how much to invest (ie how far to take the technology). It's no sure thing that a company who's been touting features like wireless HDMI, 3D, and media streaming is going to spend a lot of money improving their glass.

Plus they need to prioritize their R&D between the various technologies, depending where they see LCD going, Plasma going, and new tech like OLED.

But mostly, a company like Panasonic/Samsung doesn't push technology just because they can. It has to serve a purpose in the market, and it has to justify the expense.

We'll see soon enough.

Right but its not that relevant whether or not competition actually topples the 2008 Kuros PQ. It just has to come close and some already do. How many TVs PQ today compare with the 2004 Sony 34XBR960?

What you are going to see this year are TVs that are close to the Kuros in quality with more screen real estate and with failing prices. Thats a guarantee....and 8 months down the road I sure as heck wouldn't want to be stuck with a warehouse full of Kuro's trying to turn them around into a profit when the market is going to be loaded with bigger/ cheaper TVs that are very close in PQ and that people can actually buy at a retail store...not from some guy on ebay. Longer you wait the less Kuros are worth.

I was informed by a Internet Closeout Manager of an electronic store chain (9 locations in Midwest) I bought my PDP-5020 from the other day that there is a Pro-111 lurking around apparently waiting to be sold.

Thanks tvshopper! Darn it...I could have used the "dude, there is no color sensor, wow...can't live without it! knock a few hundred more off for my pain!"...

Thinking of Omnimount ULPC-X for wall mount...any thought? This beast is pretty heavy but mount is 200 lb rated. I was up till 1:30 am screwing with it. Put order in for ControlCal/cable bundle. Thanks again for all the reply's.

It's all conjecture as to just how good the models will be this year. Panasonic is the only brand who has the opportunity of dethroning the almighty Kuro and with their current track record of technical problems, I am not counting on this year being the year that introduces the Kuro killer. I am also not speaking on behalf of a profiteer trying to cash in on Kuros by selling them marked up to or around MSRP but on behalf of the consumer looking for the best all-around picture quality.

I know its in a different class... but I just bought a 5020fd at my local Best Buy for
1299.00.

No stand.. anyone got one they want to get rid of?

Greetings everyone
I am an accidental,but very happy,new member of the "151" family
A week ago,i went to the BB in Naples,Fla having decided to get a Panny or Sony 65' for my new,and bigger, house...however,neither were in stock!
I asked the salesperson which was the biggest TV they had in stock for immediate delivery,and was told...well there is this 2 year old Pioneerthe next biggest one was a 55' Led lcd...i asked a geek squad guy who walking by which one he would recommend...
Got it for 3799

ouch. i hope you didn't pay that much for a demo model.

Nope,brand new in box...delivered and installed on stand with speakers
After enjoying it for a few days,ouch is not the word that comes to mind...
Ouch,and i was hoping for a constructive comment...silly me

congrats man! I've been calling best buys all day trying to find a 151 with no luck

You guys are nucking futs paying that much for these in this day and age. You seriously think that the v25's are going to cost $4k?

I'm new to the forum, hello!


The local best buy around me has an open box 151; they wouldn't come down on the price at all. Then I found out that they had 37 101s laying around and bought one at the promo price, pick it up Friday . All in all, I asked about 6 salesman accross 2 BB to look in their warehouse inventory; finally the last one found them.


I'm in the Midwest BTW

You are absolutely right,especially since after pleading with them,Cbs had agreed to postpone the Superbowl and Fox "24"...till those V's came out
Oh,and Abc also had agreed to delay"Lost" as well!

where in midwest?

Yes they will be that much and no they probably won't match a 9G elite in PQ, build quality, 2 year warranty, overall look, but gee you can wear glasses to watch cartoons jump out of the screen with the panny.

Overland Park, KS. Bought at the Olathe store

too far for me.

They shipped mine from their St. Louis warehouse.

That was nice of them You must have been helped by someone a bit higher up in the employee chain. When I worked there years ago, their computer system was pretty cryptic and had a big learning curve--it's not surprising people are having a tough time locating their remaining stock.

shenanigans - closing.

larry