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post #31 of 206
Can you pm me with more information? I am looking at a 50' too since
Panasonic 50V10 is sold out (or discontinued??) in Canada and Samsung 50B850 has a buzzing problem.

Thanks
post #32 of 206
i spoke to the manager of my local magnolia last night on this rumor. he laughed at me when i told him the price. he said they would need a direct subsidization by pioneer of more than the rumored sale prices for it to work. he said it's not impossible, but considering the low inventories, it's very unlikely.
post #33 of 206
You can use a few metaphors here. "Penny wise, pound foolish." " A bird in the hand...". Etc. etc. Waiting on this rumor is a game of chance. If you want a Kuro, then better to pick one up now than wait and get shut out. Sure, waiting may pay off, but it may not. It's up to you. Supply is only getting scarcer by the day.

Personally, the prices today are better than when Pioneer was still cranking them out. If you can afford it and want it, then get it now. If you can't afford it and are hoping that a "liquidation sale" materializes, well then nothing has really changed except keeping an eye on this thread for the next month.
post #34 of 206
the 58" V25 Panasonic will be your best bang for your buck for 2010 if you are looking for something that in many ways should be better than the 2008 Pioneer 9G models.

I NEVER purchase something that has gone up in price almost 100% from the lowest price point. Only a fool would purchase a KRP-500M for $2500+ knowing they where just on sale for $1500.



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Originally Posted by geoellis View Post

You can use a few metaphors here. "Penny wise, pound foolish." " A bird in the hand...". Etc. etc. Waiting on this rumor is a game of chance. If you want a Kuro, then better to pick one up now than wait and get shut out. Sure, waiting may pay off, but it may not. It's up to you. Supply is only getting scarcer by the day.

Personally, the prices today are better than when Pioneer was still cranking them out. If you can afford it and want it, then get it now. If you can't afford it and are hoping that a "liquidation sale" materializes, well then nothing has really changed except keeping an eye on this thread for the next month.
post #35 of 206
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Pioneer direct and distribution has been out of stock fr over a month now.

I will quote myself and add that I searched high and low for these units and nothing left.
post #36 of 206
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

the 58" V25 Panasonic will be your best bang for your buck for 2010 if you are looking for something that in many ways should be better than the 2008 Pioneer 9G models.

"Many" ways? Please elaborate.
post #37 of 206
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the 58" V25 Panasonic will be your best bang for your buck for 2010 if you are looking for something that in many ways should be better than the 2008Pioneer 9G models.

All early info seem to indicate it will equal/eclipse the 2007 Kuros (8g's). It would be great if they could match the 9g's, but let's wait and see.

Personally, I'd be happy if they hit 8g black levels (which they should) but provide a boost in brightness in the picture modes. For all of the talk about the NeoPDP panels, I never thought the results equaled the hype in that department.
post #38 of 206
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

Only a fool would purchase a KRP-500M for $2500+ knowing they where just on sale for $1500.

you do realize why the prices went back up, right? Nevermind the fact that those tv's at $1500 were basically larceny.
post #39 of 206
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I NEVER purchase something that has gone up in price almost 100% from the lowest price point. Only a fool would purchase a KRP-500M for $2500+ knowing they where just on sale for $1500.

it's not foolish, it's supply and demand. When I bought mine for substantially more than $1500 I had my doubts, but it's an amazing tv even for the price I paid. And it's one hell of a tv--I would have paid more. Besides, the $1500 price was only enjoyed by the early adopters and many of them saw damaged panels due to improper shipping & handling by unauthorized dealers who used UPS ground.

If anyone is waiting to jump on a Kuro (especially an elite or krp) I suggest not waiting for any fabled overstock to appear at firesale prices.

As Arnold would say.... DO IT! DO IT NOW!!!
post #40 of 206
Or wait until after CES when some Kuro owners will be looking to upgrade and sell off their used TVs.
post #41 of 206
^CES 2011, you mean?
post #42 of 206
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

the 58" V25 Panasonic will be your best bang for your buck for 2010 if you are looking for something that in many ways should be better than the 2008 Pioneer 9G models.

I NEVER purchase something that has gone up in price almost 100% from the lowest price point. Only a fool would purchase a KRP-500M for $2500+ knowing they where just on sale for $1500.

Right, good for you. That's why you're all over the Panasonic. We all have a choice to make. Not really the point of this thread, but you got your opinion out there.
post #43 of 206
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^CES 2011, you mean?

I figure some will jump on the 3d bandwagon and/or look to go with a bigger screen. Not a lot, but some.

I imagine not every Kuro owner is an enthusiast who won't budge until something hits the market that surpasses their TV in every relevant technical category, but I'm only guessing here.
post #44 of 206
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"Many" ways? Please elaborate.

okay.... I should of said: In "Some" ways.

I am sure a true expert could point out a few advantages of the V25 over the 9G Kuro. One of them being the most obvious..... 3D and HDMI 1.4

I know if the 58V25 can be purchased for less than 3 grand.... this will be the best bang for your buck hi-end TV for 2010.
post #45 of 206
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I figure some will jump on the 3d bandwagon and/or look to go with a bigger screen. Not a lot, but some.

I imagine not every Kuro owner is an enthusiast who won't budge until something hits the market that surpasses their TV in every relevant technical category, but I'm only guessing here.

I also suspect that not too many of us can afford to drop $7750 for a new TV very often unless there is nothing else one does with his/her disposable income.
post #46 of 206
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I also suspect that not too many of us can afford to drop $7750 for a new TV very often unless there is nothing else one does with his/her disposable income.

I've seen no indications that 3D is going to bump the price point up like say 1080p did in the past, but early adopters are usually made to suffer somehow.

Personally, I'd consider trying a 3D add on for my KRP-600M if someone made one, but I expect the TV to be around for at least 5yrs and that's why I bought an extended warranty. Heck, I've never even sold a TV, but one way or another I expect there will be used Kuros on Craigslist and the like for a fraction of the premium some companies are trying to charge for them in the final days of availability.
post #47 of 206
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okay.... I should of said: In "Some" ways.

I am sure a true expert could point out a few advantages of the V25 over the 9G Kuro. One of them being the most obvious..... 3D and HDMI 1.4

I know if the 58V25 can be purchased for less than 3 grand.... this will be the best bang for your buck hi-end TV for 2010.

Problem is, I don't think any of the "true experts" give a crap about 3D or HDMI 1.4.

But yes, if Panny rolls out the 58V25 for less than $3k, it will be a bargain. It will be much cheaper than any quality 55" LED, for sure.
post #48 of 206
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Originally Posted by JonW747 View Post

I've seen no indications that 3D is going to bump the price point up like say 1080p did in the past, but early adopters are usually made to suffer somehow.

Early adopters will always pay a premium for some new feature, gadget or gizmo w/HDTV. The problem is many of these must have items do not pan out to be the next best thing since sliced bread (e.g. Kuro blacks have, CableCARDs have not).

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Originally Posted by JonW747 View Post

I've seen no indications that 3D is going to bump the price point up like say 1080p did in the past, but early adopters are usually made to suffer somehow.

Personally, I'd consider trying a 3D add on for my KRP-600M if someone made one, but I expect the TV to be around for at least 5yrs and that's why I bought an extended warranty. Heck, I've never even sold a TV, but one way or another I expect there will be used Kuros on Craigslist and the like for a fraction of the premium some companies are trying to charge for them in the final days of availability.

If BIG screen OLEDs ever become reality I would be mighty tempted to acquire one but I would move my $7750 PRO-150FD to the MBR before taking a beating by selling it on Craigslist.
post #49 of 206
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Early adopters will always pay a premium for some new feature, gadget or gizmo w/HDTV. The problem is many of these must have items do not pan out to be the next best thing since sliced bread (e.g. Kuro blacks have, CableCARDs have not).

If BIG screen OLEDs ever become reality I would be mighty tempted to acquire one but I would move my $7750 PRO-150FD to the MBR before taking a beating by selling it on Craigslist.

That's the best plan. I never sell my TV's, and will find some place in the home to put it. It will continue to provide good use for many years, whether it's in the kitchen to watch as I munch on my cornflakes, or in the MBR to put me to sleep.

We're really not going to know exactly how good are these new Panasonic VT25's until they get some good testing done, etc. One thing that interests me is the claim that having 3D capability also benefits 2D viewing. I'd expect premium pricing for the first 4-6 months after release...or the next Black Friday.
post #50 of 206
Wow, if this is indeed true I'll be buying a 111 in a heartbeat!
post #51 of 206
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

We're really not going to know exactly how good are these new Panasonic VT25's until they get some good testing done, etc. One thing that interests me is the claim that having 3D capability also benefits 2D viewing. I'd expect premium pricing for the first 4-6 months after release...or the next Black Friday.

Based upon the posts that have been made in this Forum during the past 5(+) years I anticipate the VT25 series PDPs will come with their own share of strengths & weaknesses.

Who knows, soon we may be seeing thread titles like:

3D rising black levels or 3D rainbow effect!
post #52 of 206
If Kuro's are so great why are they out of business when panasonic can't keep enough product on the shelves?
post #53 of 206
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Originally Posted by tanoanian View Post

If Kuro's are so great why are they out of business when panasonic can't keep enough product on the shelves?

Because Pioneer priced themselves out of the mass market?

That doesn't mean the KURO wasn't better than whatever Panasonic puts out. It absolutely is better.
post #54 of 206
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If Kuro's are so great why are they out of business when panasonic can't keep enough product on the shelves?

Pioneer is not out of business. They stopped making Kuro(plasma)'s because they cost too much to make - i.e. they were uncompromising in the quality of their sets. This drove up costs dramatically in addition to their smaller production capacity versus their competitors.

Markets tend to be driven at the low-end with cheap disposable crap rather than high quality merchandise. If you're talking about $200+ jeans, $200 purses, etc... etc... it's one thing. But once you start talking about top of the line displays who were selling for $3000-5000 it's a totally different story. Pioneer was doing ok before the economic downturn. The economy took a huge toll on them since they cater to the high end and people lost a lot of money as we entered the recession. This restricted their customer base so there were fewer customers who could afford to buy their plasmas. They also didn't have the production facilities to match the mass-production levels of other Plasma/LCD makers. This is probably a big reason prices stayed so high.
post #55 of 206
One could only hope that this is true. A friend of mine has the 600m (at the reduced price) and the picture quality is awesome. I should have followed his lead and bought one too.
post #56 of 206
I just dropped $2800 on a 6020. Is that reasonable?

I'm using the break-in slides and will be able to witness the glory this upcoming Friday. So I can't justify the $2800 yet. I'm coming from a returned Panny 58V10 that was $2200.
post #57 of 206
$2800 for a 6020 is more than reasonable.
post #58 of 206

LL
post #59 of 206
Why would PIONEEER liquidate their remaining stock at firesale prices if they can get full price?????
Somebody got the story wrong.
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Why would PIONEEER liquidate their remaining stock at firesale prices if they can get full price?????
Somebody got the story wrong.

This just doesn't pass the smell test in my books. Need ALOT more info...
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