Originally Posted by RedOak
I wasn't gonna post again here, but this is perfect. You have just made my point with those charts! I could not've better explained it!
You posted charts with very large range of sounds from different speakers/positioning. This shows the range at which a speaker can extrapolate and play sound (awesome); naturally, the better the speaker, and if well placed in a room, the better the range!
Perhaps you have a failure to understand what those charts are. Those are all charts of frequency response. The degree of deviation away from flat response is called distortion, and frequency response is only one small slice of the entire audio experience.
The frequency response problems of a normal room and a normal loudspeaker are severe. Even an exceptionally high-end and extremely high-cost loudspeaker like those revels that achieve, relatively speaking, exceptionally flat frequency response for a loudspeaker are still VASTLY more problematic and damaging to the audio than a $200 cheesy DVD player.
My point is that given a choice between spending $200 on a pair of speakers and $20,000 on the best CD player, cabling, and amplifiers that money can buy, or spending $200 on a throwaway DVD player and $20,000 on speakers, any intelligent person would spend that money on the speakers.
No, we most certainly do not in any way, shape, or form, agree.
Now look at the chart from the DVD player. If that player cannot reach or accentuate its range to accommodate the same range as the speakers... your speakers are not playing anything at those ranges, because the medium which is playing your CD does not recognize them. its that simple.
This is a most meaningless paragraph. I have no idea what you mean by "cannot reach or accentuate its range." Range of what?
The speaker is "not playing anything at those ranges?" Again, ranges of what?
Use some kind of defined, acceptable technical terms please.
I don't know, because the last paragraph was nonsensical.
Until I understand what you mean above, I can't say whether I agree or not.
Please find a chart for a high-end CD player, and look at the range it can play... now look at the speaker charts you posted again... you'll see that those CD players (the more expensive, useless ones...) actually seem very similar!
So now you're saying that cheap and expensive CD players can both do basically the same thing extremely well, or at least to a "very similar" degree?
I would agree with that statement.
However, I cannot fathom why you would then spend a whole bunch of money on CD players when even a "useless" one as you put it, will actually be "very similar."
So... the conclusion here is; a Better CD player will reach more grounds than a crappy bestbuy dvd player.
What is "grounds?" What is "will reach more grounds" supposed to mean? I am a fairly creative person, but I cannot find a way to make this sentence make sense. Please clarify.
Therefore, you can have the best speakers in the whole world, but they will never play more sounds than the "dvd player" can output... which is not much.
In final, Speakers are not "more" important than a CD player... they are equaly important, but first place where the "audio" comes from, is the CD player (or equivalent)... not the speakers.
Ridiculous. Look at the graphs. The room and speakers are VASTLY more important in attaining a high quality audio presentation.
The graphs illustrate quite clearly that the relative amounts of problems with a $20,000 speaker are quite a bit more significant than frequency response variations of even a cheap generic DVD player.
Oh and, just out of curiosity, do we agree that a good quality, no vibration Vinyl player with heavy weight and high quality needle is better than a TopVinyl player on a stereoplayer (those old bestbuy ones...) or are we at the same standstill for "bestbuy vs quality" ? Because technically speaking, its the exact same thing... except one's got an Analogue signale, while the other's 0s and 1s...
It's not the same thing at all. Vinyl is extremely
difficult to play back properly. I actually mentioned that as an exceptional situation previously where the source is actually quite important because it is such a challenge to play back vinyl properly.
CDs, by comparison, are extremely simple
to play back with staggeringly low levels of distortion that are FAR lower than any room or speakers you could find at any price.