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post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
I'm looking for a narrow LCR for in-wall mounting

It must be no more than 7.5" wide.

Most everything I'm finding is 8"+

I know this may be a strange request, but I don't have any room to move anything
post #2 of 31
I am not aware of anything in-wall that narrow.
post #3 of 31
Triad either has something or will make something. www.triadspeakers.com

Ron
post #4 of 31
Totem Tribe In-walls. 7.25" wide. Totem's mastery of small woofer allows the narrow footprint

http://totemacoustic.com/products/ar...ll_in-ceiling/
post #5 of 31
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Originally Posted by Chicagorep View Post

Totem Tribe In-walls. 7.25" wide. Totem's mastery of small woofer allows the narrow footprint

http://totemacoustic.com/products/ar...ll_in-ceiling/

MSRP of $995 each. Specs do not look bad. it has 90db sensitivity (they call it Efficiency?) and 100 watts of power handling. -3db point is 48Hz. Steep price though. Wonder what they actually go for?
post #6 of 31
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

MSRP of $995 each. Specs do not look bad. it has 90db sensitivity (they call it Efficiency?) and 100 watts of power handling. -3db point is 48Hz. Steep price though. Wonder what they actually go for?

All the dealers I call on sell it a full list. Most people I have demo'd them for say they are the best IN-wall they have ever heard. I've demo'd them with 150 watt amp at ear splitting levels and they handled it quite well.
post #7 of 31
Axiom M22

On-wall Dimens. H W D (inches) 17.85" x 6.52" x 0.85"
In-wall Dimensions HWD (inches) 17.05" x 5.71" x 3.46"
post #8 of 31
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Originally Posted by Chicagorep View Post

All the dealers I call on sell it a full list. Most people I have demo'd them for say they are the best IN-wall they have ever heard. I've demo'd them with 150 watt amp at ear splitting levels and they handled it quite well.

Is it the only in-wall that they have heard?
www.rbhsound.com/si6100.shtml There are a lot of in-wall speakers that way surpass that Totem speaker?
post #9 of 31
Thread Starter 
What about this Definitive Technology speaker? It fits the size option. Don't know about quality.

UIW RLS III

7"w x 25"H

http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...IW%20RLS%20III
post #10 of 31
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Is it the only in-wall that they have heard?
www.rbhsound.com/si6100.shtml There are a lot of in-wall speakers that way surpass that Totem speaker?

I've heard alot of in-walls and I'd say they're the best. But what do I know I only hear all sorts of speakers every day.
post #11 of 31
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Originally Posted by Chicagorep View Post

I've heard alot of in-walls and I'd say they're the best. But what do I know I only hear all sorts of speakers every day.

I have not heard the Totem's, but I have heard the RBH SI-6100. I have the RBH SI-760's in my home. http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...m/P1000503.jpg www.rbhsound.com/si760.shtml Come on now do you really think the little Totems (that can't hit reference level at 3 meters) can compare to the RBH SI-6100? I guess we could put it to a vote. Start a poll and ask which pair of speakers would you chose between these two not considering cost. I do not think it would be a contest.

The Totems list 110db at 1 meter for the pair which equates to 98db at three meters. 105db is reference. If you want to use these for your TV in a family room great, but if you want to use them for a reference level HT experience then forget about it.
post #12 of 31
The Totems list 110db at 1 meter for the pair which equates to 98db at three meters. 105db is reference. If you want to use these for your TV in a family room great, but if you want to use them for a reference level HT experience then forget about it.[/quote]

Go listen to a pair, then decide. I don't want to argue with someone who has no experience with these speakers.
post #13 of 31
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Originally Posted by t5volvov70 View Post

What about this Definitive Technology speaker? It fits the size option. Don't know about quality.

UIW RLS III

7"w x 25"H

http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...IW%20RLS%20III

Definitely an option worth considering if it appeals to you. Def Tech speakers generally have a good reputation for home theater and are widely available. They offer a full line if you want to match these with other speakers, and they sell a lot of speakers. So no hesitation on quality / reputation. That speaker IIRC has a "back box" aka enclosure built in, so a big plus for sound quality. Value you can decide for yourself. There's a thread here on Def Tech speakers where you might get some advice if you want.

If I were mostly listening to music, personally I might consider something else, but that's me.
post #14 of 31
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Originally Posted by Chicagorep View Post

The Totems list 110db at 1 meter for the pair which equates to 98db at three meters. 105db is reference. If you want to use these for your TV in a family room great, but if you want to use them for a reference level HT experience then forget about it.

Go listen to a pair, then decide. I don't want to argue with someone who has no experience with these speakers.[/quote]

Arguing? You said that they were the best and I said they will not even hit reference level at 3 meters and there are plenty of high quality in-wall speakers with great sound quality that can do this. That is why I think your claim is BS. It is pretty basic math. There is no way shape or form that you could use these in a reference level HT if the listening distance is over seven feet. I stated 3 meters originally. The speaker does not have enough output. They may have great sound quality, but they just can't hit the levels required for a reference level HT. Per the manufacturer they put out 110db max at 1 meter for the pair. Every time you double the distance you lose 6db. So at 2 meters you are down to 104db. You are now below reference level and the listening distance is only 6-1/2 feet. I have a small room (11.5' x 13.5') and even in my room the mains are 9.5 feet away from the prime listening position.

I don't expect you to respond because I am using math to prove my point and you are using because I said so.

Telling the OPer that he can get in-wall speakers that will fit in a 7.5" wide space and that they will be the best in-wall speakers on the market is not right. That is why I called you out. Are they good speakers? Probably are good. Are they the best, no way.
post #15 of 31
mjg100 -- Chicagorep works for Totem....or is a Totem dealer.
post #16 of 31
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Originally Posted by Johnsteph10 View Post

mjg100 -- Chicagorep works for Totem....or is a Totem dealer.

I already knew that. It was pretty easy to tell what company he represented. I just called him out when he said the little Totem was the best in-wall speaker on the market. I said it can't do reference level at 3 meters. That is an undeniable fact. If you are not interested in having a reference level theater and you have to keep everything to a minimum size, but want good sound quality then they are a good choice. I just think his claim of them being the best is a joke, if you are looking for a reference level theater using in-wall speakers those could not even be considered.

Added
They could be considered if you were going to sit with in 5 feet of all speakers.
post #17 of 31
Yes I am the Totem rep in Chicago but before that I was a Totem user. Here's a consumer hint, use your ears when you listen to speakers not specs.
post #18 of 31
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Originally Posted by Chicagorep View Post

Yes I am the Totem rep in Chicago but before that I was a Totem user. Here's a consumer hint, use your ears when you listen to speakers not specs.

How about a yes or no answer. Can the in-wall speakers that you say are the best be used to build a reference level theater if the listening distance is more than seven feet? If you say yes, be prepared to explain how?
post #19 of 31
Robert,

Why don't you put a little blurb in your signature to show that you are affiliated with Totem? It would help people a lot and even help people to address you with specific Totem questions.

In your case, anonymity is not an advantage.
post #20 of 31
Look at Triad -- if they don't offer it, they can build it. Paul Scarpelli posts here often and is very willing to offer help!
post #21 of 31
Well, as long as you mentioned Triad...

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwm4lcr.html#tab3

They might require a narrower custom grill frame, which we can do. I bet we can pull a half inch total out of the frame width. This speaker is in an engineered, braced enclosure, and they play surprisingly loud, considering the size. Price is $500 each, including custom paint matching.

Note: The only time I'll interject Triad is 1) in the Triad thread, or B) if someone else brings Triad up first. And, of course, I work for Triad . Unless there's some devastating news I haven't received yet...

And I would be careful when saying a particular inwall speaker is the best. "The best" is a matter of opinion, and application. And then there's the $3,900-each Triad InWall Gold/6 Monitor that uses three real Scan-Speak Revelator drivers, including the $400-each R-29 tweeter which is almost flat to 60 kHz. Thay handle 400 watt unclipped peaks and they're 92.5 dB sensitivity, so you can do the math. That said, Totem makes one excellent line of speakers.

That's the most smilies I've ever used in a post, and now I'm exhausted.
post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by Johnsteph10 View Post

Robert,

Why don't you put a little blurb in your signature to show that you are affiliated with Totem? It would help people a lot and even help people to address you with specific Totem questions.

In your case, anonymity is not an advantage.

Good Idea, how's this?
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

How about a yes or no answer. Can the in-wall speakers that you say are the best be used to build a reference level theater if the listening distance is more than seven feet? If you say yes, be prepared to explain how?

I won't answer your question because it is off topic of the OP original question. He/she asked for speakers that were of a particular size and I had the solution. I also stated that it was my opinion and others I've dealt with that they were the best sounding out there, opinions are allowed aren't they? You decided to highjack the thread and turn it into a reference level spitting match. Out of courtesy to the OP I will stay on topic. If you want to talk about reference level then start your own thread.
post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Well, as long as you mentioned Triad...

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwm4lcr.html#tab3

They might require a narrower custom grill frame, which we can do. I bet we can pull a half inch total out of the frame width. This speaker is in an engineered, braced enclosure, and they play surprisingly loud, considering the size. Price is $500 each, including custom paint matching.

Note: The only time I'll interject Triad is 1) in the Triad thread, or B) if someone else brings Triad up first. And, of course, I work for Triad . Unless there's some devastating news I haven't received yet...

And I would be careful when saying a particular inwall speaker is the best. "The best" is a matter of opinion, and application. And then there's the $3,900-each Triad InWall Gold/6 Monitor that uses three real Scan-Speak Revelator drivers, including the $400-each R-29 tweeter which is almost flat to 60 kHz. Thay handle 400 watt unclipped peaks and they're 92.5 dB sensitivity, so you can do the math. That said, Totem makes one excellent line of speakers.

That's the most smilies I've ever used in a post, and now I'm exhausted.

Well you can't argue with those specs. Triad would be a good option also and the fact they custom fabricate is huge!!! I wish we did
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli View Post

Well, as long as you mentioned Triad...

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwm4lcr.html#tab3

They might require a narrower custom grill frame, which we can do. I bet we can pull a half inch total out of the frame width. This speaker is in an engineered, braced enclosure, and they play surprisingly loud, considering the size. Price is $500 each, including custom paint matching.

Note: The only time I'll interject Triad is 1) in the Triad thread, or B) if someone else brings Triad up first. And, of course, I work for Triad . Unless there's some devastating news I haven't received yet...

And I would be careful when saying a particular inwall speaker is the best. "The best" is a matter of opinion, and application. And then there's the $3,900-each Triad InWall Gold/6 Monitor that uses three real Scan-Speak Revelator drivers, including the $400-each R-29 tweeter which is almost flat to 60 kHz. Thay handle 400 watt unclipped peaks and they're 92.5 dB sensitivity, so you can do the math. That said, Totem makes one excellent line of speakers.

That's the most smilies I've ever used in a post, and now I'm exhausted.

You are being polite. A head to head match up would be a joke. As I said I would not have called him out if he had not said they were the best in-wall speakers. If they are the best that he has heard, that just means that he has not heard very many of the high end in-wall speakers.
post #26 of 31
Thread Starter 
Paul,

Thank you for the information on the Triad. Can that be wall mounted to it's flush with the wall?

I understand there might be the grill cover that extends past the wall
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

You are being polite. A head to head match up would be a joke. As I said I would not have called him out if he had not said they were the best in-wall speakers. If they are the best that he has heard, that just means that he has not heard very many of the high end in-wall speakers.

How would the Triad LCR Gold's face up against the RBH SI-600/R?
post #28 of 31
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Originally Posted by Insomniahead View Post

How would the Triad LCR Gold's face up against the RBH SI-600/R?

I don't know. I have never heard the Triad. Both are fantastic speakers. The Triad would have more output (about 4.5db) since it has higher sensitivity and high power handling. The SI-6100R is a closer match. The SI-6100R can handle up to 500 watts. The Triad has a 2.5db advantage in sensitivity though so it probably up 1.5db. The Triad also is the more expensive speaker.

I have not heard the "R" models by RBH, but the 6000 sounded fantastic. Judging from the drivers used in the Triad, I am sure it sounds fantastic also.
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I don't know. I have never heard the Triad. Both are fantastic speakers. The Triad would have more output (about 4.5db) since it has higher sensitivity and high power handling. The SI-6100R is a closer match. The SI-6100R can handle up to 500 watts. The Triad has a 2.5db advantage in sensitivity though so it probably up 1.5db. The Triad also is the more expensive speaker.

I have not heard the "R" models by RBH, but the 6000 sounded fantastic. Judging from the drivers used in the Triad, I am sure it sounds fantastic also.

What the difference between the RBH 6000 and the 6100? Just the backing?
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by Insomniahead View Post

What the difference between the RBH 6000 and the 6100? Just the backing?

The speakers are different, but the cabinets are the same. The 6000 uses one tweeter and has 250 watts power handling. The 6100 uses three tweeters and 500 watts power handling. The crossovers are different also. The 6000 is being replaced in the line up with a 663.
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