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post #931 of 962
I live in Lititz (about 30 miles southeast of Harrisburg, 8 miles or so directly north of Lancaster), and currently am using a cheap monoprice indoor antenna located in my living room. It gets fox but that's about it reliably. I ran a tvfool report and it looks like I should be able to get almost everything within 35 miles or so.

I'm interested in the most stations possible with the antenna in a windowless attic and no power near the antenna. I want as many stations as possible, but simplicity (not having to rotate the antenna etc) is more important than extra stations to me.

I've tried to figure this out on my own and always get lost. It sounds like an antenna can be "too powerful" but I don't get what that means I should buy.

Any suggestions?

Joel
post #932 of 962
It looks like the field of view I need is about 110-115 degrees. Will a multi-directional antenna be sufficient?

Joel
post #933 of 962
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It looks like the field of view I need is about 110-115 degrees. Will a multi-directional antenna be sufficient?
Joel

Please post your Tvfool link.
post #934 of 962
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dcc498d1f69fb7f

Sorry if that isn't a clickable link.

Thanks for asking!

Joel
post #935 of 962
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http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dcc498d1f69fb7f
Sorry if that isn't a clickable link.
Thanks for asking!
Joel

Attic installs are hit and miss. It reduces the signal to the antenna and can cause multi-path problems, but they do work for some people. If the insulation in the attic is foil backed then forget about it.

WHTM, 2 edge on channel 10 will be your biggest challenge. I recommend a medium VHF/UHF combo antenna like the Antenna Craft HUB-33. It is currently available from Solid Signal for $51 delivered. It is 80 inches long, so make so you have room for it in the attic. Also be sure to use a good quality new rg-6 cable. Point it to the west and make small adjustments north and south for the best signal on all channels.
post #936 of 962
I have a cheap-ish RCA antenna with rabbit ears and a loop and I was able to get everything except for WHTM.

Surprised you don't get WGAL.
post #937 of 962
I'm in Lititz, Lancaster County, PA and I'm getting the following channels with a modest outdoor antenna:
8-1 WGAL 8 NBC
8-2 THIS
15-1 WLYH CW
15-2 Cool TV
21-1 WHP CBS
21-2 MyNetworkTV
27-1 WHTM ABC
27-2 RTV (Retro-TV)
27-3 AccuWeather
33-1 WITF PBS
43-1 WPMT Fox
43-2 Antenna TV
43-3 Fox News 24/7
49-1 WGCB Ind./Christian
49-2 Me-TV

The "-1" channels are HD; the rest are SD.

I have the Channel Master CM-3016 antenna (5.5' long at $48)
and it is rated for 45 miles. With it, I am getting stations
up to 35.7 miles away. And I did have to compromise
by aiming west to get stations both northwest and southwest.
Positioning the antenna is a little tricky to get all the channels.

I'm considering getting a mega-antenna in an effort to pick up
Philadelphia stations. Does anybody have experience with this?
post #938 of 962
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Originally Posted by warnergt View Post


I'm considering getting a mega-antenna in an effort to pick up
Philadelphia stations. Does anybody have experience with this?

Please post a TV fool report for your location including the mounting height for the antenna.
post #939 of 962
There are a few users on this board who can help, N3NTJ for one.

I would agree with pamajestic's post, a TV Fool report will help.
post #940 of 962
Just wanted to bump up this thread. Comcast will be encrypting the full basic lineup on October 23rd.

Not wanting to buy a CableCard tuner for my HTPC, I'll be dropping TV service altogether and putting up an antenna. Based on my previous results (see post 918), an attic antenna should pick up everything.

Have people here had success with the DIY coat hanger antenna? Could I use a splitter in reverse to join together two antennas?

Will a UHF antenna do anything for FM radio reception? I know absolutely nothing about antennas but am willing to learn.
post #941 of 962
I ended up building the "mclapp 4 bay" design with some steel hangers and putting it in the attic. After playing with the aim for a bit, I'm getting all channels reliability except for WHTM. It's there, but it's just not consistently strong enough to tune in. I am going to add a reflector and see if it helps.
post #942 of 962
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

I ended up building the "mclapp 4 bay" design with some steel hangers and putting it in the attic. After playing with the aim for a bit, I'm getting all channels reliability except for WHTM. It's there, but it's just not consistently strong enough to tune in. I am going to add a reflector and see if it helps.

Channel 10, 2edge, 36 miles out the reflector will probably not help, but it is worth a try. You may need to add a VHF antenna combined with the 4 bay using a UVSJ combiner. The AntennaCraft Y-5-7-13 might work.
post #943 of 962
A UHF antenna won't help FM radio reception as UHF TV is in the 400~600 MHz range, yet FM radio is in the VHF range b/w 88 ~ 108 MHz. A basic dipole can work well with FM radio reception.
post #944 of 962
Yes basic rabbit ears work very well for FM radio reception. And Winegard, Antennacraft, and Antennas Direct also make larger FM designed antennas.
post #945 of 962
Any recommendations on either an attic (doubtful) or roof mounted antennae setup that gives me all the locals?

Here is my TVFool profile:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d46aebd5c3a4b6a

One thing, I do use an antenna now for backup purposes on my HTPC, but I have some issues with ABC and CBS, I believe it may be the pre-amp is making those signals too strong, but is needed to assist with FOX and NBC.

Here's the antenna I use now.

http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Aspen-EASDTV2BUHF-Directv-Approved/dp/B000GIT002/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&qid=1387140724&sr=8-23&keywords=antenna

I'd like to stay away from a directional antenna as that is not WAF approved.

Thanks.
post #946 of 962
What pre-amp are you using now?

Forget about ABC for now, remove the back screen from the antenna, use RF-49 for NBC, and move the antenna around different parts of the attic both low and high a little at a time to see if you can get solid reception for the remaining channels. If you can manage to get those stable then you could add a small VHF antenna to lock in ABC. Try this with the amp and without.
post #947 of 962
I used to have a ChannelMaster 7777, not sure the model I am using now, I believe I picked it up at SolidSignal about 2 years ago.

What would you recommend in terms of 'merging' the UHF antenna and the VHF antenna signal? Sorry for the basic questions, I am in the tinkering stage and trying to figure out how to make this work more efficiently than just sticking up a DB2 or DB4 antenna.
post #948 of 962
Your signals from the Harrisburg stations is very strong and could likely work well for your attic location if you can overcome any multipath issues. The Harrisburg market is tough to make work with a fixed antenna because of the towers to the south and east. WGAL turned on a second tower in Harrisburg a year or so back on channel 49. If your equipment is still using RF channel 8 out of Lancaster you will need to delete that channel and manually enter RF channel 49. That should give you a very solid NBC. That only leaves FOX to the south. This is where I would try to obtain the strongest signal from FOX and see if you still get the other station, excluding ABC (on VHF channel 10). If you have trouble with the Harrisburg stations try to slowly turn the antenna towards the south, giving up some of the FOX signal in exchange for better signal out of Harrisburg.

If you can make that work then you could add a small VHF antenna (AntennaCraft Y5-7- 13) pointing straight at your ABC station joined with you UHF antenna. You could use your 7777 amp if it is the older style with the dual inputs. (open amp cover and flip switch for dual input) or use a USVJ combiner.

Your amp is a high power amp that would likely overload if used on an outdoor antenna at your location, but may work OK for you in the attic. Try this with and without the amp to be sure.

PS this is free shipping day from Solid Signal until midnight tonight (Wednesday December 18th)
post #949 of 962
One of my New Years resolutions was to "cut the cord". Well I started the process today. I purchased a Tivo Roamio for DVR recording and a Winegard FlatWave Indoor Antenna. I am getting the local channels in HD (WGAL, WHTM, WHP, WLYH and a few others). Right now WGAL is digitizing, but I think it's because of storm as it was working fine earlier today. The one channel I'm not getting (and I'm really trying to figure out how to get it) is WPMT (Fox 43). Anyone got any suggestions on how to get this channel OTA? There are a lot of shows on this station that my wife and I really enjoy. Already tried a a signal booster.

Thanks for the input
post #950 of 962
... a better (or outdoor) antenna.... and possibly a rotor.

The flatwave antenna is only great when you're not too distant from the transmitters. You didn't mention the zipcode you're in near Harrisburg, but I'm guessing that Blue mtn is not the same direction to you as is York. Also, there is no telling which xmitter you're getting WGAL from without more info, as they have a few.
The flatwave is not directional, so its only picking up the stronger signals. The signal booster doesn't have enough to boost.
post #951 of 962
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Originally Posted by NoReDist View Post

... a better (or outdoor) antenna.... and possibly a rotor.

The flatwave antenna is only great when you're not too distant from the transmitters. You didn't mention the zipcode you're in near Harrisburg, but I'm guessing that Blue mtn is not the same direction to you as is York. Also, there is no telling which xmitter you're getting WGAL from without more info, as they have a few.
The flatwave is not directional, so its only picking up the stronger signals. The signal booster doesn't have enough to boost.

Thanks for the response.

My zipcode is 17025. Would rather not got outdoor (if I can help it). Any antenna recommendations?

Thanks again.
post #952 of 962
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Originally Posted by ptwyzard View Post

Thanks for the response.

My zipcode is 17025. Would rather not got outdoor (if I can help it). Any antenna recommendations?

Thanks again.

Run a Tvfool.com report for your exact address and post a link. Be sure to enter the height above ground level for the antenna, say 6 feet if you are on the first floor. We will not be able to see the address. The generic report shows 27 miles for WPMT. That might be to far for and indoor antenna. Do you receive CW15, WLYH?
post #953 of 962
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Originally Posted by pamajestic View Post

Run a Tvfool.com report for your exact address and post a link. Be sure to enter the height above ground level for the antenna, say 6 feet if you are on the first floor. We will not be able to see the address. The generic report shows 27 miles for WPMT. That might be to far for and indoor antenna. Do you receive CW15, WLYH?

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d46ae5eba81628d

I am getting CW15... Watching it right now.

Thanks for the help.
post #954 of 962
You are line of sight on everything except WPMT at one edge. WPMT is slightly to the south east in comparison to your other stations so you could try moving the antenna around and pointing it more south. Outside of that you may need a more directional antenna and/or mounted outside. Something small like the AntennaCraft HBU-11. Usually the higher the better, mounted on the side or roof of the house
post #955 of 962
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Originally Posted by pamajestic View Post

You are line of sight on everything except WPMT at one edge. WPMT is slightly to the south east in comparison to your other stations so you could try moving the antenna around and pointing it more south. Outside of that you may need a more directional antenna and/or mounted outside. Something small like the AntennaCraft HBU-11. Usually the higher the better, mounted on the side or roof of the house

Thanks for the input. My home actually faces northeast, southwest. I actually am seeing digitizing on WGAL along with not picking up WPMT. If I need to I'll go outside, but do you think something like a ClearStream 2 might work for indoors?
post #956 of 962
You are going to need an antenna with VHF capabilities for WHTM, so if you want to try the clearstream be sure to get the C2-V with the VHF dipole.

We need to determine which WGAL tower you are seeing, RF-49 in Harrisburg or RF-8 in Lancaster. I’m not familiar with Tivo equipment but I would think they display channel information somewhere in the menu, true RF channel, signal strength, signal quality, etc. if you are currently receiving RF-8 you may need to delete it and manually enter RF-49. You should easily receive channel 49, it is on the same tower as WHP and WITF.
post #957 of 962
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Originally Posted by mythrenegade View Post

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dcc498d1f69fb7f

Sorry if that isn't a clickable link.

Thanks for asking!

Joel

So... After a year of cheap dish courtesy of windstream I cancelled that and bought an antenna. Specifically a Clearstream 2V from Antennas Direct. It works perfectly in my living room for everything but ABC27. When mounted outside the cable length meant that I needed an old signal amplifier (RCA, 10db) to get CBS, and I still don't get ABC.

I'd really like to get 27. Is it possible that a better amplifier will bring that in, or am I wasting my time and money? It's the same exact direction as 33, which comes in fine even without the amplifier.

Joel
post #958 of 962
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Originally Posted by mythrenegade View Post


I'd really like to get 27. Is it possible that a better amplifier will bring that in, or am I wasting my time and money? It's the same exact direction as 33, which comes in fine even without the amplifier.

Joel

You are going to need more antenna for ABC on channel 10. If you had line of sight for ABC the C2V would probably work for you but not with the 2edge view.

Since you already have the C2 and know it works for your UHF channels I would add a better VHF antenna to the mix. Both the AntennaCraft Y5-7-13 or Y10-7-13 would be good choices. The Y10-7-13 (around $45 delivered) is about the best you can get but it is 10 feet long. The Y5-7-13 at 5 feet long (under $30 delivered) should also work. Mount it 2 or more feet under the C2 and connect it to the VHF in on the back of the C2.
post #959 of 962
Back again for some advice. 27 seems to have gotten a little worse lately, getting a bit spotty even in clear weather. All of the other locals (8, 15, 21, 33, 43, 49) are fine.

I'm thinking about upgrading my whole attic system. Currently, I have a 4-bay clothes-hanger antenna using larger bowties (10") to try to improve upper VHF reception. No reflector, hooked up to an old 10dB Radio Shack amp after about 40' of cable, then another 30-40' of cable straight to one TV. Normally this would be split to two other TVs, but I'm trying to get the best signal for 27.

(TVFool report: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5b9496afe4f03f)

My plan right now is to replace the antenna with the AntennaCraft HBU-11 or HBU-22 (would the extra length make a difference in my case?) , add a 15dB distribution amp at the antenna, and combine the feed with an AntennaCraft FMSS. This will let me get FM reception in the basement family room without having to run an extra RG-6 cable just for FM.

I would love to also receive some of the Baltimore stations. Is this feasible with only one TV antenna? They're pretty far away, and a mix of high VHF and UHF, but they're all in one direction. The channel I'd be after would be WMPB (ch 29/67.1). I don't have space in the attic for anything bigger than the HBU-22. Rotors aren't an option, as the signal will be split to multiple TVs.
post #960 of 962
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Back again for some advice. 27 seems to have gotten a little worse lately, getting a bit spotty even in clear weather. All of the other locals (8, 15, 21, 33, 43, 49) are fine.

I'm thinking about upgrading my whole attic system. Currently, I have a 4-bay clothes-hanger antenna using larger bowties (10") to try to improve upper VHF reception. No reflector, hooked up to an old 10dB Radio Shack amp after about 40' of cable, then another 30-40' of cable straight to one TV. Normally this would be split to two other TVs, but I'm trying to get the best signal for 27.

(TVFool report: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d5b9496afe4f03f)

My plan right now is to replace the antenna with the AntennaCraft HBU-11 or HBU-22 (would the extra length make a difference in my case?) , add a 15dB distribution amp at the antenna, and combine the feed with an AntennaCraft FMSS. This will let me get FM reception in the basement family room without having to run an extra RG-6 cable just for FM.

I would love to also receive some of the Baltimore stations. Is this feasible with only one TV antenna? They're pretty far away, and a mix of high VHF and UHF, but they're all in one direction. The channel I'd be after would be WMPB (ch 29/67.1). I don't have space in the attic for anything bigger than the HBU-22. Rotors aren't an option, as the signal will be split to multiple TVs.

This same issue keeps coming up, VHF channel 10 2Edge. The same advice I posted in #958 also will apply to you, keep your current antenna and add a Y5-7-13 to the mix joined with an RCA TVPRAMP1R dual input pre-amp.

Use a HLSJ VHF combiner to merge the Y5-7-13 with the FM antenna, the Y5-7-13 in the high side and the FM antenna in the low side, then into the VHF side of the pre-amp. Connect your current antenna to the UHF side the pre-amp. Use a regular splitter down line to split to other TV’s and the radio tuner.

The RCA amp is available from multiple venders, Wal-Mart will ship to your nearest store for no additional fee.

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=zhlsj&d=blonder-tongue-band-separator/combiner-hlsj-vhf-band-high-low-antenna-separator-combiner-single-piece-%28zhlsj-1%29

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=TVPRAMP1R&d=RCA-RCATVPRAMP1R-Outdoor-Antenna-Preamplifier-%28RCATVPRAMP1R%29&c=Pre-Amplifiers&sku=044476071669

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=Y5-7-13&d=Antennacraft-by-RadioShack-Y5713-HighbandBroadband-VHF-Yagi-TV-Antenna-for-Channels-713-%28Y5713%29&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=716079000987


Baltimore will require a large rooftop antenna and preamp pointed directly at the towers.
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