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post #1 of 149
Thread Starter 
ok i think it is high time for an official tom danley sound labs thread . there is great interest in danleys products but it is very hard to find it all . for such an inovative desighn the only reason it gets ignored is the pro audio side and looks . its time to move on and give an officail thread for there products. the few people that have there product post some pics and thoughts . i would love some photos of a front wall of sh50 in someones home theater . anyone?

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post #2 of 149
Also they do cost quite a bit, about $4k for a single?

Then there is the box size to deal with with a width of 28" makes 84" behind the screen on speakers alone, but I am sure they sound absolutely awesome in a high end large home theater with recommended amplification of 800-1600W you need a quality pro-amp to get the best out of them, or just go with their Class D active version.
post #3 of 149
Thread Starter 
i dont disagree on price but thats becuase it rich for my blood. remeber there are alot of high end owners on the forum and 4,000 is probably on the low side for some not me

they do have new products comming out . one of the reasons i would like to get an official thread. try and keep all of it together .
post #4 of 149
True, it is too rich for my blood as well

With the SM60 that is supposed to be out in the first half of 2010 it should get interesting as it is smaller and less expensive than the SH50.
post #5 of 149
Thread Starter 
i hope they do a good job on them as well it should really stur the pot.
post #6 of 149
Well from what I can see they did do a good job in the DT/10 and its kit form for 950 dollars aprox. is a very good price.

However I am still wondering what the phone level actually is in the Danley fireworks audio?

Also whats the actual p.s.i. pressure level inside a dts/10 box versus a regular vented box p.s.i. in box measurement?

And congrats to Danley on a very well made subwoofer box but it leaves me wondering if its an extension of the levitating cork slices and high frequency whistle experiment?

Let me finish with a bravo! Danley! good job! on a new idea thats sure to turn heads with its extremely well done design and efficiency and last but not least the sound quality of a good subwoofer.
post #7 of 149
SM60: prototype fiberglass version.

post #8 of 149
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by noah katz View Post
Would also appreciate knowing what the SM60 dimensions are.

The Pro version is 20.75"x20.75" x 16.5" deep. There will likely be a "home" version, that may be a bit taller and extend lower. Once we get the pro versions into production we will look at a more home friendly version

i am thinking the home versions will have different openings because in a home you need a wider off axis because most people sit 10-20 feet away . so if the beam is to narrow it wont sound to good imaging wise . tom will probably answer this but as usual it will be over my head
post #9 of 149
This thread needs some traffic!!!

Anyone have the Danley SH-50/TH-50 combo?

Just sold my JTR Triple 8's, and my initial direction was to move to the JBL 4645C. I'm now having second thoughts, and believe I need to investigate the SH-50.

Where are the DSL owners???

Regards,

Larry
post #10 of 149
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Originally Posted by Kemet View Post

but I am sure they sound absolutely awesome in a high end large home theater with recommended amplification of 800-1600W you need a quality pro-amp to get the best out of them, or just go with their Class D active version.

That is a very common misconception. Yes you need that amount of power to be able to "get the most" out of them, but how many people are running their system at 130dB+???

Not many-at least in the home market. Because of the high sensitivity, you can get quite a bit of sound with normal amps. A standard 100watt amp will give you 120dB or more (depends on how you look at the SPL responses). That is usually more than enough for the full range part of the signal.

Yes subs will typically be hotter, so you would be looking at the range of 130dB+ in the sub range to keep up with a single channel with 100 watts and a SH50 on it.

Just keeping it in perspective.

It is surprising even in the pro market the number of people who make that mistake. So if it was rated at 100 watts (and had a max SPL rating 10dB less to go with it) would people feel better knowing they could push it "to it's max" with a normal amp? Maybe. But I would rather have a loudspeaker that is just "loafing along" and never gets pushed, than one that is constantly pushed to its max.

PS-there are some new ideas we are working on that may offer more options to the home market-but they are probably a couple of months away. No details than can be talked about yet-we have a lot of testing to do first.
post #11 of 149
Ivan,
I used to have a DTS-10 but had to sell it because of a recent move. The DTS-10 would not fit in my room. Any plans for a "Mini DTS-10"? I loved how deep and clean it played. My room is 13x17x15(tall). Do you have any sub that would give me something close to what I am missing? Thanks

Jason
post #12 of 149
DSL Team,

Are you aware of any SH-50 units in the KC Metro area I may audition?

Good heavens, this would be a lot of green sight unseen.

Larry
post #13 of 149
04FLHRCI,

After building my dts-10s and loving it I wanted to audition a few of their speakers. I contacted DSL about finding a dealer in the Cleveland area. They were able to get me in touch with one and he was able to scrounge up an sh-100, micro and sh96(??) for an audition. I think he mentioned that DSL has a number of speakers out at dealers for audition purposes. Give DSL a call and see if any dealers are within driving distance. My experience with both DSL and the dealer have been great.

Forin
post #14 of 149
Came across a SH-96 image today:

source = http://www.cybertheater.com/danley-s...infocomm-2008/
LL
post #15 of 149
fyi - there are 3 SH-95s listed in the classifieds.
post #16 of 149
Good Evening Everyone,

Finding time to enjoy the Danley gear is going to be challenging for a while; I have a couple remodeling jobs around the house which must be completed first.

I have carved out a couple dedicated 2 channel sessions, and watched a couple movies.

I'll continue to note my 'personal' experiences over the coming days to post my observations. I don't have the wealth of experience to draw upon as several of our members here, so I will likely rely upon generic emotional expression where I lack true audiophile objectivity.

After 4 hours of music and 2 movies, I find I'm unable to properly discribe the SH50 experience. I realize how this may seem, but I'm struggling with an appropriate method of describing the 'experience'.

It's unlike any I've had before, JTR, B&W, Wilson, Polk, ML, Paradigm... I have fond memories of all, but this is something special.

I have waited 2 years to own a pair of SH50, and every penny I pinched along the way was worth it!

Would like to spend more time wrapping my head around explaining these gems, but the wife and I are off to watch the latest Harry Potter BD...

Larry
post #17 of 149
04FLHRCI,
What made you go with the SH50's over the SM60f's?

Thanks
Moto
post #18 of 149
I'm a sucker for statement/flagship products within a company's product portfolio.

I assume the DSL team has the choice to utilize whichever model the prefer for their personal systems, and the SH50 is what Tom and Michael use at home.

All kidding aside; I run mains as full + LFE, and the SH50 digs deeper (HPF @50Hz).

Larry

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Originally Posted by MX48 View Post

04FLHRCI,
What made you go with the SH50's over the SM60f's?

Thanks
Moto
post #19 of 149
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Originally Posted by 04FLHRCI View Post

I'm a sucker for statement/flagship products within a company's product portfolio.

I assume the DSL team has the choice to utilize whichever model the prefer for their personal systems, and the SH50 is what Tom, Ivan and Michael use at home.

All kidding aside; I run mains as full + LFE, and the SH50 digs deeper (HPF @50Hz).

Larry

Actually I don't have SH50's in my room-for several reasons . I use speakers I designed/built 20yrs ago. Mike and Tom do have SH50's.

I do have the origional DTS20 prototype that I built as my sub however.
post #20 of 149
How important are the HPF filters for home use ? I doubt anyone is going to be driving these things with enough low frequency content to damage them.
post #21 of 149
You are likely correct, I merely mentioned as the packaging contents recommends a HPF be used. I have no HPF in place now, and I start getting 'the' look at anything beyond -20 from reference driven via Face Audio F1200TS in stereo

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How important are the HPF filters for home use ? I doubt anyone is going to be driving these things with enough low frequency content to damage them.
post #22 of 149
Sorry Ivan, my bad, I have corrected my post...

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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Actually I don't have SH50's in my room-for several reasons . I use speakers I designed/built 20yrs ago. Mike and Tom do have SH50's.

I do have the origional DTS20 prototype that I built as my sub however.
post #23 of 149
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Originally Posted by HFGuy View Post

How important are the HPF filters for home use ? I doubt anyone is going to be driving these things with enough low frequency content to damage them.

I highly doubt you would ever "need" the highpass filters for home useage.

The purpose of the highpass filters to to provide a measure of protection against over exccursion of the woofers when driven to loud to hard.

Consider that the woofers are EACH rated at 700 watt continous (1400 program), the chances of damage in the home are VERY slim.

It would be REALLY REALLY loud before that would even start to be an issue-at least under any sort of normal circumstances.
post #24 of 149
Quote:


I'm a sucker for statement/flagship products within a company's product portfolio.

I assume the DSL team has the choice to utilize whichever model the prefer for their personal systems, and the SH50 is what Tom and Michael use at home.

All kidding aside; I run mains as full + LFE, and the SH50 digs deeper (HPF @50Hz).

Larry

Thanks Larry
Moto
post #25 of 149
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Originally Posted by MX48 View Post

04FLHRCI,
What made you go with the SH50's over the SM60f's?

Thanks
Moto

I dont know how I missed this thread but wondered the same thing. Does the SH50 just have alot more slam than the 60f?
post #26 of 149
Outside of their respective cut-sheets, I don't know how the two products compare in a listening environment.

My reasoning was purely based upon expected in-room FR; I like crossing my subs over @~100Hz, and prefer mains that can go an octave lower.

I believe I'm done chasing main channels now; I've either owned, or had extensive sessions with many salon products (folks in KC may be familiar with Audio Port - I've tried most of everything they support) like Martin Logan LS3, B&W 8xx series, Wilson CUB, Thiel (don't remember model), Infinity (legacy products like Kappa/Beta series stuff), AV123 RS850 (not bad units, Bosso continues to utilize a hot-rodded pair)and others.
post #27 of 149
I posted this in the DTS10 kit thread and wanted to post here also. Is Scott still working at DSL?

I asked him a bunch of questions and never got a response yet.
post #28 of 149
Ok according to Ivan I have the correct email so I will just have to wait.

Out of these "Budget," DSL speakers can anyone tell me their opinion on each of them:
SH100
SH100B
SH95
SM60M
SM96

These were more along the lines of my budget. And considering I would need three of them I just figured I would look to hear others opinions. DO all these have the unique synergy sound?
post #29 of 149
Yes, they will all have that synergy horn sound. The biggest differences I think are the radiation pattern that each horn has. Since each room is unique, I would defer to one of the Danley guys to tell you which ones would work the best for you.
post #30 of 149
Well atleast they all have the unique sound. I will just have to wait for Ivan or others to help on the opinions of the other models. Radiation pattern I figure wouldn't need to be to big a worry as long as they can cover my small HT room. And being used for much bigger areas I think I should be fine.
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