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post #121 of 149
Funny, I haven't had a "HT system" for well over 10 years, typically I just watched movies on my 2 channel audio system. Now I am setting everything up separately and going for it again. It will still just start out as a 2.2 system, but I will add surrounds later.

For starters this will be SM60Fs plus a pair of Rythmik Audio F15HPs. I will add my SEOS based surrounds later. I am single, so center isn't really needed. Yeah I have friends or female friends come over sometimes, but they can buy their own gear. wink.gif I could always try to DIY a center synergy by reverse engineering/examining the SM60F. Basically a clone.

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post #122 of 149
https://www.facebook.com/DanleySoundLabs

New model just cqme out, Danley Sound Labs SBH10, looks interesting.

post #123 of 149
http://www.prosoundnetwork.com/thewire.aspx?entryid=2082&add=view


Danley Enters the Column Speaker Market with the SBH-1 "Skinny Big Horn"

GAINESVILLE, GEORGIA – FEBRUARY 2014: Danley Sound Labs broke into the house of worship market by skirting convention with its patented Synergy Horn and Tapped Horn technologies and is currently taking the sporting arena market by storm by one-upping line arrays with its unique Genesis and Jericho Horns. The recipe is easy to explain but almost impossible for anyone without Tom Danley’s unique acoustics background to pull off: Danley starts back at the fundamental physics of loudspeaker design to overcome trade-offs that are inherent to conventional designs. So it is again with column speakers. The new Danley SBH-10 “Skinny Big Horn,” uses Danley’s patented Paraline technologies to deliver the aesthetic benefits of a column speaker but with much greater fidelity, superior pattern control, no spurious lobes, and no requirement for complicated signal processing.

At a weight of one-hundred pounds and with dimensions of 60” x 9” x 9”, the SBH-10 is composed of eight 5-inch coaxial drivers and acts as a single large Synergy Horn with the directivity of a horn over twenty-five feet! Its coverage pattern measures 140 x 10 degrees, and its frequency response extends from 77Hz to 15kHz, +/-3dB.

“Danley’s new Skinny Big Horn series meets the aesthetic desire for a low profile column shape,” said Mike Hedden, president of Danley Sound Labs. “But shape is where the similarities between conventional column speakers and the Danley Skinny Big Horn end. Using our patented Paraline technology, the SBH-10 has the directivity of a twenty-five foot long horn, yet it is only nine inches deep! Moreover, due to horn loading, the SBH-10 has a sensitivity of 99dB, which is 10dB greater than similar sized cone-loaded products, and because it has such a high power handling rating, is capable of close to 20dB greater output when compared to similarly sized, front-loaded designs. The Danley Skinny Big Horn is a technological leap: no spurious lobes, forward directivity that other manufacturers can only dream of which allows it to even be flown away from a boundary, extremely tight vertical coverage, wide horizontal coverage, and – most importantly – audiophile fidelity. If all that weren’t enough, the SBH-10 requires only one amplifier channel and no special signal processing.” There’s a new leader in the column loudspeaker market. The SBH-10 and its not even a column, it’s a Skinny Big Horn!
post #124 of 149
There was a video they posted on this product quite a while ago on their FB page. New to the market maybe but I have known about this for quite some time so I assume others have. They posted their own video on Oct 23, 2013. Either way I am happy to see more great products from DSL.
post #125 of 149
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

There was a video they posted on this product quite a while ago on their FB page. New to the market maybe but I have known about this for quite some time so I assume others have. They posted their own video on Oct 23, 2013. Either way I am happy to see more great products from DSL.
Some of the differences between the SBH10 and other commercial products is the fact that there are the usual lobes spraying off in every direction as when you simply stack up drivers.

Other manufacturers like to use drawing to "show" what their product is doing-not actually using measured data (where you can see the lobes)

The SBH10 is much more like a horn in its coverage pattern. A REALLY DEEP horn-about 27' deep.

Another big difference is the sonic quality. This is hi fi type quality. I don't know of any of the other products in which I would like to listen at home with it.

Another is the output capability. Because we are not stuck using small drivers-we can use more powerful drivers for greater output and low freq reproduction.

For example a good "matchup" is a SBH10 with a TH118. Considering that the TH118 wins shootouts against TWO of other peoples 2x18" subs, that gives an idea of the levels it is capable of.

And that is 2 professional subs-which have a much greater output capability (SPL wise-not low freq extension wise) than 2x18" home subs.

While the SBH10 may kinda look like some other products-the performance is QUITE different.

Hearing is believing
post #126 of 149
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Some of the differences between the SBH10 and other commercial products is the fact that there are the usual lobes spraying off in every direction as when you simply stack up drivers.

Other manufacturers like to use drawing to "show" what their product is doing-not actually using measured data (where you can see the lobes)

The SBH10 is much more like a horn in its coverage pattern. A REALLY DEEP horn-about 27' deep.

Another big difference is the sonic quality. This is hi fi type quality. I don't know of any of the other products in which I would like to listen at home with it.

Another is the output capability. Because we are not stuck using small drivers-we can use more powerful drivers for greater output and low freq reproduction.

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Hearing is believing

Ivan, what are the typical room sizes, or listening distances for home use? I know from other threads that the SH50's are being used in HT rooms but no mention of the SBH10's.
post #127 of 149
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Some of the differences between the SBH10 and other commercial products is the fact that there are the usual lobes spraying off in every direction as when you simply stack up drivers.

Other manufacturers like to use drawing to "show" what their product is doing-not actually using measured data (where you can see the lobes)

The SBH10 is much more like a horn in its coverage pattern. A REALLY DEEP horn-about 27' deep.

Another big difference is the sonic quality. This is hi fi type quality. I don't know of any of the other products in which I would like to listen at home with it.

Another is the output capability. Because we are not stuck using small drivers-we can use more powerful drivers for greater output and low freq reproduction.

For example a good "matchup" is a SBH10 with a TH118. Considering that the TH118 wins shootouts against TWO of other peoples 2x18" subs, that gives an idea of the levels it is capable of.

And that is 2 professional subs-which have a much greater output capability (SPL wise-not low freq extension wise) than 2x18" home subs.

While the SBH10 may kinda look like some other products-the performance is QUITE different.

Hearing is believing
Not sure what is being but I was referring to DSL's video of the SBH you had posted on FB. There you, Ivan, were demonstrating what happens when the SBH was tilted up. GREAT video. And having line arrays in my family room I am wanting to learn more about these new SBH10's speakers to replace them.
post #128 of 149
This really looks interesting for home use.

Wondered what the room size recommendations for this speaker.
post #129 of 149
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Originally Posted by kma100 View Post

Ivan, what are the typical room sizes, or listening distances for home use? I know from other threads that the SH50's are being used in HT rooms but no mention of the SBH10's.
There is not a "recommended size" for loudspeakers. The more coherent a source (ie acting as a true point source or ONE source of sound-NOT separated components) the better it will hold together over distance.

I have listened to the SBH10 up to 500' away and it is quite amazing. Even at a couple of feet it sounds amazing.

There are a number of installs (some large) in which the SBH10 is proposed. No signed contracts yet-but hopefully soon.

Like other Danley products-they can be used in small rooms as personal monitors and when the throw the power to it they can cover thousands of people.
post #130 of 149
What are we looking at for an MSRP price on these bad-boys? I have some av123 LS-6's as my mains for the upstairs system, but would love to potentially load up with more Danley goodness to complete both setups smile.gif I DO however like the extension of the LS-6's down low as I am not currently using a sub with the upstairs "casual" listening setup. Would I add one on? Well that is I guess a silly question, so... Haha. I do enjoy just having two speakers at the moment however. With a 77hz f3, I would certainly HAVE to do a sub, which once again isn't a bad thing, just have to find the space to fit one in somewhere...
post #131 of 149
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

There is not a "recommended size" for loudspeakers. The more coherent a source (ie acting as a true point source or ONE source of sound-NOT separated components) the better it will hold together over distance.

I have listened to the SBH10 up to 500' away and it is quite amazing. Even at a couple of feet it sounds amazing.

There are a number of installs (some large) in which the SBH10 is proposed. No signed contracts yet-but hopefully soon.

Like other Danley products-they can be used in small rooms as personal monitors and when the throw the power to it they can cover thousands of people.

Agreed on the "recommended size" comment. I mention that only since a lot (all?) Danley speakers are designed for large venues. But then again, that is why we have a volume control knob smile.gif

Thanks. I guess I should try to get to hear these speakers. They sound amazing.
post #132 of 149
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Some of the differences between the SBH10 and other commercial products is the fact that there are the usual lobes spraying off in every direction as when you simply stack up drivers.

Other manufacturers like to use drawing to "show" what their product is doing-not actually using measured data (where you can see the lobes)

The SBH10 is much more like a horn in its coverage pattern. A REALLY DEEP horn-about 27' deep.

Another big difference is the sonic quality. This is hi fi type quality. I don't know of any of the other products in which I would like to listen at home with it.

Another is the output capability. Because we are not stuck using small drivers-we can use more powerful drivers for greater output and low freq reproduction.

For example a good "matchup" is a SBH10 with a TH118. Considering that the TH118 wins shootouts against TWO of other peoples 2x18" subs, that gives an idea of the levels it is capable of.

And that is 2 professional subs-which have a much greater output capability (SPL wise-not low freq extension wise) than 2x18" home subs.

While the SBH10 may kinda look like some other products-the performance is QUITE different.

Hearing is believing

Any possibility of a matching horizontal centre speaker?
post #133 of 149
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Originally Posted by WilsonL View Post

This really looks interesting for home use.

Wondered what the room size recommendations for this speaker.

Look at their FB page. There you will see the videos I am talking about. Having this speaker outdoors and performing very well at 80yds and higher would be plenty for any HT room. Going by the way AVS members do things I would say seven of these and a pair of TH50's should do it. Or three SH50's and four SBH's. biggrin.gif

What is going on with the TH50 replacement driver? I do hope this model will continue.

Also is the DBH218LC no more?
post #134 of 149
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Originally Posted by richardfh View Post

Any possibility of a matching horizontal centre speaker?

Doubtful. Horizontal centers are a compromise and I don't think DSL is in the business of doing anything that would compromise the sound.
post #135 of 149
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Originally Posted by kma100 View Post

Agreed on the "recommended size" comment. I mention that only since a lot (all?) Danley speakers are designed for large venues. But then again, that is why we have a volume control knob smile.gif

Thanks. I guess I should try to get to hear these speakers. They sound amazing.
The only one that was "designed" for a large venue is the Caleb or J6.

All the others were designed with a particular pattern and output capability in mind.

But they can be used in small or large venues
post #136 of 149
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

Look at their FB page. There you will see the videos I am talking about. Having this speaker outdoors and performing very well at 80yds and higher would be plenty for any HT room. Going by the way AVS members do things I would say seven of these and a pair of TH50's should do it. Or three SH50's and four SBH's. biggrin.gif

What is going on with the TH50 replacement driver? I do hope this model will continue.

Also is the DBH218LC no more?

I believe the TH50 used an MTX driver that has been discontinued and maybe why the TH50 is no longer offered, I hope Ivan can clarify.

I'm not sure but I think the LC can be ordered if you want it, stellar choice!
post #137 of 149
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Any possibility of a matching horizontal centre speaker?
What is so great about a horizontal center speaker?

A single source of sound is much clearer. When you put drivers in a line and turn it sideways the pattern gets narrower in the horizontal-and that is usually the opposite of what you want in a center speaker
post #138 of 149
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What is going on with the TH50 replacement driver? I do hope this model will continue.

Also is the DBH218LC no more?
The problem with the TH50 is having a reliable source of drivers. We thought we had one-but it turned out that they were not reliable enough.

There is a new driver being worked on by a reputable manufacturer that offers promise of bringing the TH50 back. I really liked that box.

The DBH 218LC is currently available.
post #139 of 149
YAY!!! I am really wanting to see the TH50 back.

I never saw any specs on the 218LC so I wondered if it was still around.

Thanks Ivan
post #140 of 149
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

What is so great about a horizontal center speaker?

A single source of sound is much clearer. When you put drivers in a line and turn it sideways the pattern gets narrower in the horizontal-and that is usually the opposite of what you want in a center speaker

Ivan, which danley model do you feel would be a good match as a center speaker to the sbh-10? Speaking personally, would you prefer this model or something like the SM60 as a home theater speaker? Or are there too many variables to give a blanket recommendation like that? I prefer the form factor of the sbh-10 over the sm60 (and other danley models) for a home setting, but I'm just wondering if it's the best "tool" for this kind of job.

Also, can you tell us what the msrp will be for the sbh-10?
post #141 of 149
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Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post

I believe the TH50 used an MTX driver that has been discontinued and maybe why the TH50 is no longer offered, I hope Ivan can clarify.

I'm not sure but I think the LC can be ordered if you want it, stellar choice!
Yes the driver that was used was discontinued.

We had a replacement driver-but the "manufacturer" could not give us an answer if they could provide a steady stream of them.
post #142 of 149
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Originally Posted by cmryan821 View Post

Ivan, which danley model do you feel would be a good match as a center speaker to the sbh-10? Speaking personally, would you prefer this model or something like the SM60 as a home theater speaker? Or are there too many variables to give a blanket recommendation like that? I prefer the form factor of the sbh-10 over the sm60 (and other danley models) for a home setting, but I'm just wondering if it's the best "tool" for this kind of job.

Also, can you tell us what the msrp will be for the sbh-10?
First of all I having nothing to do with pricing-I don't even have a copy of the price list-so you need to contact you local dealer http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/where-to-buy/ or the office 770-535-0204 for that information.

Next I would start by asking why would you want the SBH10 for you main speakers? Do you like the look? Or is your room so bad acoustically that you need the narrow pattern that it offers?

Yes it can work very well for home use-but why?

To be honest I would choose something like the SH50-SM60F-SH100B for home use. Unless there is something that I am not aware of.

The SBH10 was designed for a particular usage in which the very narrow vertical and wide horizontal pattern and slim "form factor" is a useful choice for a particular venue.

We also wanted it to sound and perform better than the other products that have those characteristics and are chosen for particular installs.

A center channel speaker should be chosen on a number of factors-of which each room can be different.

How wide does the pattern need to be for the location and seating area? This is not usually a question other manufacturers even bother to ask-since they just "spew" sound all over the place. Danley is about pattern control-which means if you are out of the pattern-the sound is greatly reduced-which helps to clean up the sound in the room by having less reflections bouncing around.

Where can you put a center speaker? Things like the physical size of the speaker-the size of your screen/TV etc can make a huge difference in what physical size can be accepted.

How much output do you need? Casual or average listening or do you need 130dB+?

And back to the original question-it is generally a good idea for the center speaker to have the same "voicing" as the L/R mains.

So for a "general" answer if the mains are Sh50s or SH60s then a SH69 might be a good center speaker-spae permitting.

If the mains are SM60Fs then a SM96 might make a good center speaker

If the mains are SM100Bs then a SM100B or Sm100 might be a good choice.

If your mains are Jericho J1-94s then a SH96HO would be a good choice-for the EXTREME home theater guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We will have other versions of the SBH that will be larger and smaller with different patterns.

So the next version will be around 30" tall. When you consider that for a home setup the mounting height of the center of the speaker needs to be around ear level or just above-then where do you put a 30" tall speaker so that it does not interfere with the visual? If you have a perf screen then it is not a big deal-but many people don't

Part of the "problem" is getting people to actually THINK about what THEY need-where it can go and so forth.

One size does not fit all.

Sorry to be "vague", but we are into using the correct product for the job-NOT about what is cool or new.

For what it is worth-our oldest products are still among our best sellers. Fads come and go but good design stands the test of time
post #143 of 149
So I just got my SM60Fs late last night. I haven't hooked them up yet. Today is going to be a long day at work. wink.gif

I was wondering if anyone who owns Danley speakers have thought of covering the grills with speaker fabric so as to gentrify their aesthetic. I am either going to do that or remove the grills, haven't decided yet.
post #144 of 149
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So I just got my SM60Fs late last night. I haven't hooked them up yet. Today is going to be a long day at work. wink.gif

I was wondering if anyone who owns Danley speakers have thought of covering the grills with speaker fabric so as to gentrify their aesthetic. I am either going to do that or remove the grills, haven't decided yet.

Just pull the grills man! or flip them around. They should already have a little speaker cloth on the other side of the wire.
post #145 of 149
there's no grill like no grill ... remove them ...
post #146 of 149
KILL THE GRILL! smile.gif
post #147 of 149
Can anyone vouch for Bassfeen? He is the fellow from Indonesia (also states is a Danley dealer) that has the 7 speaker set of Danleys for sale on AVS Classified.
thanks
Edited by AltaHomeTheatre - 3/14/14 at 10:10pm
post #148 of 149
If he is a dealer I would ask Danley. I dont know him so I cant say. And make sure you look around before buying from him. I dont know your location but shipping will be very expensive if coming back to the USA.
post #149 of 149
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Originally Posted by AltaHomeTheatre View Post

Can anyone vouch for Bassfeen? He is the fellow from Indonesia (also states is a Danley dealer) that has the 7 speaker set of Danleys for sale on AVS Classified.
thanks

Have you contacted your local Danley dealers regarding pricing? I believe it would be in your best interest in doing so...

I also believe his pricing is very high for used (even without shipping costs), but my experience deals only with the used Danley speakers on the east coast of the US (Florida up to Mass.)
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