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post #31 of 149
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Well atleast they all have the unique sound. I will just have to wait for Ivan or others to help on the opinions of the other models. Radiation pattern I figure wouldn't need to be to big a worry as long as they can cover my small HT room. And being used for much bigger areas I think I should be fine.

The biggest differences between the cabinets (besides the obvious coverage pattern differences) are the low freq extension and max SPL output capabilities.

How low do they need to go-that depends on the specific application.

Of course the Max SPL is a combination of sensitivity and power handling.

Sometimes one with an overall higher max SPL may make more sense (even if it is not being used in that way), because it has a higher sensitivity.

So if you have 2 cabinets and one has a greater sensitivity, it is going to be louder with a 100 watt amp than the other one. But you don't have to feed 2-3Kw into it. Only if you want to get max output.

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post #32 of 149
Can the SH100's be used as a budget L/C/R?

And how close can they be placed near the walls?

Is there another sales person I can email my questions to also?

I think maybe Scott has been too busy and/or my emails are going to his junk box.

Just saw the SH50/60 thread so that helped me out alot.
post #33 of 149
hello all, i am new to posting on this forum, and am not sure this is the right place for my question/statement. but it amazes me that no one seems to consider the Danley SM-100b for L/R speakers. on paper anyway, they seem to be ideal HT/Music speakers. i would like to know if anyone has personal experience with these in a home entertainment system, or hear from a Danley rep as to why these speakers are not exemplary for home audio.

Mike
post #34 of 149
Ivan Beaver will probably chime in here soon. He's one of the Danley head honchos.
post #35 of 149
The SH100B was on my mind when I got my SM60F for L/C/R. I ended up choosing the SM60F for the tighter pattern coverage and minimal reflection points in my room. In doing so I definitely sacrificed some low frequency extension. I would really have liked to compare the SM60F, the SH50, the SH100 and the SH100B prior to choosing my mains, but unfortunately it's difficult to audition these speakers. Nevertheless I'm very happy with my SM60F's.
post #36 of 149
Any new owners care to chime in?

-- Bill --
post #37 of 149
New video of SH-50 in an LCR arrangement.
post #38 of 149
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Originally Posted by RadiantNRG View Post

New video of SH-50 in an LCR arrangement.

Cool.

I was so close to getting a 7.2 SH-50 system with 3 50's across the front and 4 SH-100's for the surrounds. All the speakers would have been active speakers. Even if I went with the Danley speakers, I still would have gone with the Seaton SubMersive F2's for the subwoofers.

Just the same I enjoyed looking at the above video - thanks for sharing.
post #39 of 149
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Originally Posted by rx-8 
I was so close...
What did you end up going with?
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Originally Posted by rx-8 
thanks for sharing.
You're welcome. cool.gif
post #40 of 149
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Originally Posted by rx-8 
I was so close...
What did you end up going with?
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Originally Posted by rx-8 
thanks for sharing.
You're welcome. cool.gif

I ended going with the Seaton Cat12C's for the LCR and the Seaton Cat8C's for the surround sides and rears. As for the subwoofers I went with 2 Seaton SubMersive F2's. As I mentioned earlier I would have went with the F2's even if I went with the other Danley speakers.

When I flew down to Gainesville GA to audition their speakers and I was considering their TH-118's for the LFE's. I found them excellent for music but it just didn't have it in them like the F2's when it comes to home heater movies - they just didn't go low enough. For home theatre I just loved their TH-812's (the rock monster's), but the cost would have been prohibitive and I would never be able to get those beasts down into my basement. This thing MUST be heard to be believed because the low end specs are just OK (28 Hz). Think of 8 x 12" drivers producing 110 dB at 1 watt and peak at 152 dB SPL. They weigh in at 584 pounds but they do come on casters. Enough said.

While I found easy to decide to on which sub to go with, I struggled between the Danley's and the Seaton's for the LCR speakers. BOTH are amazing speakers and you couldn't make a bad decision, IMHO. It would have been easier to choose between them if I could have A/B the speakers at the same time in the same room, but that didn't happen. With respect to the surrounds, I definitely prefer the Cat8C's over the SH-100's. Keep in mind that the Cat8's are typically used as LCR speakers but I'm using them as surrounds.

BTW...Danley encourages you to bring any speakers to their auditioning room so that you can make an informed side by side comparison. That's the faith that Danley have in their speakers.

On a final note. EVERYONE there at Danley are bunch of great guys, and a special thanks to Chad who gave me a tour of their place and spent most of his day with me listening to music and watching movie clips. Now that's a great job! biggrin.gif

-- Bill --
post #41 of 149
Sounds like you've found what you were looking for then. Hopefully they'll give you many years of sonic enjoyment. smile.gif

I shot the video for a good friend. He just recently made a paradigm shift in his 30 year old K-Horn based system, and we got some of the initial setup on camera for the heck of it.
post #42 of 149
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Originally Posted by RadiantNRG View Post

New video of SH-50 in an LCR arrangement.

Thanks for posting that. I had never heard of Hugh Maskela before. That song - and the whole album, Hope - is excellent. I don't often come across such well recorded live music.

Interestingly it was a Danley video (Jericho in a parking lot) that turned me onto Jennifer Warnes some months back.
post #43 of 149
Hi Folks!

I'm the proud owner of these new SH50 that my good friend from Milwaukee was so kind to make a documentary video of the initial installation.

Just a few comments if I may.

Baniels ~ What I found interesting about Hugh Masekela is that he is the guy who had a #1 top 40 hit back in 1968 Grazin' in the Green Grass. I didn't know that until recently when I was playing Stimela for my brother-in-law and niece (she trained in opera at DePaul) and he says "Hey isn't that the same guy who did R&B song back in the 60's?" But yes, Hope is a great album and Stimela is an excellent recording.

The video shows the initial SH50 setup which was to place the SH50's as close as possible to the way I had the Klipschorns and Belle setup. The L+R SH50 center line are on the same axis as the midrange driver of the Khorns and the center SH50 is about 16" off the floor, a compromise position because of the differences between it and the Belle. I wanted to do this simply to have a comparison reference to what I have been listening to for a long time. The room was built around and acoustically tuned for the Klipschorns so probably not ideal for the SH50 but at least this gave me some perspective.

Coincidentally the day my friend posted the video is the same day I started tearing the room apart. The SH50 are going to be moved to the end wall. Danley1_now.jpg 60k .jpg file
post #44 of 149
This is an AutoCAD plan of the intial SH50 installation as the Klipschorns + Belle were set up with four Epik Empire subs.

post #45 of 149
This how the SH50's will be set up. The new setup is currently in process. I'll probably be adding a fifth Epik Empire sub. As an alternative I put two of the subs at the rear of the room 1/4 of the way in from the side walls and elevate them a few feet off the floor.

post #46 of 149
Have you tried putting the L+R speakers right against the side walls?

Without toeing in the mains you will probably find that you'll have fewer sound reflections. Just make sure that the sound coverage is sufficient for all seating positions. Give it a try and let us know what you think.
post #47 of 149
I haven't tried anything yet other than what's in the video. The speakers were moved to the end wall location as shown in the plan on Monday. Nothing is hooked up yet ~ lots of maintenance to do first- wall patching and painting, changing casters on the equipment racks, etc.

Actually, my initial plan was to have the L&R hard packed against the wall as you suggested. I became somewhat leary of trying that after trying the center SH50 on the floor as someone else on Audio Asylum had their's setup. The bass got very bloated and dark sounding but maybe that was due to the heavy carpeting. Someone else on another Forum also mentioned something Tom Danley said regarding imaging - having the left speaker pointed at the right seat and vice versa. If I hard pack the speakers against the side walls then it moves the optimum seating positions farther back in the room. I'd rather stay away from the back wall. Also the record cases (2.5' ht) behind the seating area are massive and will help break up standing waves. If the seats get moved further back the record cases will have to stay on the back wall. And if I go to 5 or 7 channel surround sound at some point, having the seating farther back will also be less advantageous.

The room has quite a bit of diffusion, lots of polycylindricals. I also intend to add some QRD. I doubt there will be any problem with reflections. There certainly hasn't been a problem up to now with the Klipschorns which are IMO much more problematic. I tamed all that stuff out of the room many years ago. Reflections in and of themselves aren't necessarily a bad thing. It's the timing and direction of the reflections that can become an issue.

I'll give both scenarios a shot though.
post #48 of 149
I would love to hear you impressions once you've made your changes.
post #49 of 149
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Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

Have you tried putting the L+R speakers right against the side walls?
Without toeing in the mains you will probably find that you'll have fewer sound reflections. Just make sure that the sound coverage is sufficient for all seating positions. Give it a try and let us know what you think.

I second this arrangement. I used to own a pair of Danley SM-60's and found placing them flush against the side walls provided the best imaging I have ever heard from a pair of speakers. Granted I never had treated rooms so I am not sure what would be best for that scenario. For regular untreated living rooms, flush against the side walls is the only way to roll with Synergy Horns, imo. Send me a pm if you questions I had an 5.2 entire Danley system for 2 years and moved and measured the equipment around every 2 weeks.


Forin
post #50 of 149
Forin
Just curious, what speakers do you have now?
post #51 of 149
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Forin
Just curious, what speakers do you have now?



Nothing ATM, I sold everything before moving to Fort Worth from Cleveland for grad school and wedding costs. The apt my wife and I moved into does not tolerate noise, so I have had to hold off buying some QSC K speakers until we move into a town home next year.

As for audio gear, I am back to headphones.


Forin
post #52 of 149
Awesome to see there is finally a home video of a set of SH-50s. Thanks

Ivan if only using 500 watts for a single SH64 do I need a Hpass?

I like the sensitivity of this speaker when using more of them but smaller wattage. In the beginning I would be only using one of these speakers but would only use one channel of my Crest Pro7200. I would also use the 64 as a full range all in one cabinet. I would be using this to provide sound for a basketball court sized area. Dont need a lot of SPL but enough to "have some fun," would be good. Eventually I will buy more of these cabinets for an outdoor theater and then will add wattage if needed according to size of crowd. Was just wondering when it becomes paramount to have a Hpass in retrospect of wattage used?

I dont feel I will ever need a Hpass because the most wattage I will use would be in the beginning when I use the cabinet as a all in one speaker. After that I will likely use less wattage when I have more of them in a 7 channel setup. I would only have them as mains and use something much smaller as surrounds.SM80 or 100's.
post #53 of 149
Ivan,

If one is running the speakers (SM line) without the grill, are you supposed to attach the grill screws again unto the horn or can the speaker screws be left off?
post #54 of 149
I'd definitely recommend reattaching the screws. I had a big scare when my molded horn assemblies almost slipped out of the cabinets when I experimented using them naked without the metal screens! I have since put the screens back on, I could not detect any sonic differences. The naked synergy horns look very attractive but I don't want to worry about dust and lint gathering inside the mouth over time which might affect the sound.
post #55 of 149
I'm joining the Danley club. I'm buying funfalwarriors danley system listed in the classifieds. They should arrive Friday, unfortunately I just sold my house and am waiting to move and build a dedicated theater room which will house the Danleys,

The system will consist of all Active speakers, 3 SH100B for LCR, 4 SH100 for surrounds, 3 custom seaton subs, and 2 Danley DTS10s.

I'm coming from 3 GR Research LS9 line arrays for LCR and N3S for surrounds and am really looking forward to comparing the Danleys.

Will post pics when they arrive and initial impressions in a not so friendly room setup until my theater room is finished.
post #56 of 149
Should be an awesome combination.
post #57 of 149
Well speakers showed up but I don't see a link for pics, unfortunately the XLR cables I ordered a week and a half ago just shipped today.
post #58 of 149
Can't wait to hear your thoughts! Congrats on the purchase. smile.gif
post #59 of 149
Hooked up a pair of the SH100s. Brand new out of the box running an Oppo BDP-95 straight out of the XLRs to the inputs of the 100s. Immediately these are more revealing then my ls9s. And this is in a completely thrown together setup, with no treatments. Highs are much more intact, and airy then the 9s, one thing I was worried about was the published specs of the Danleys. They are rated to only 17khz. But I forgot they send the speakers out for second party testing and the highs are fantastic.

Not much more I can say right now. I did post pics in my "gear" link as I still can't seem to post into this thread.
post #60 of 149
Looks awesome and love the finish.
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