Panasonic V10 - Black Issue Poll

May want to include more specific information as well. I'll start.

Model: TC-P58V10

Manufacture Date: December 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? Yes

Did Your Black Levels Elevate? Yes

# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue: 300

Any other issues? Horrible line bleeding and audible buzzing over 7".

Current status of TV? Returned it for a Pioneer 6020FD

Model: TC-P65V10

Manufacture Date: August 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? more or less (was careful for first 200 hours AND ran break-in slides)

Did Your Black Levels Elevate? no

# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue: na

Any other issues? was not 85"

Current status of TV? loving it!

Model: TC-P58V10

Manufacture Date: September 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? Common Sense

Did Your Black Levels Elevate? NO

# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue:

Any other issues? No

Current status of TV? Its been great so far!

Model: TC-P50V10

Manufacture Date: October 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? Yes

Did Your Black Levels Elevate? Yes

# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue: a few? It changed today. Last night my blacks were amazing.

Any other issues? No

Current status of TV? Off. I'm hoping when I turn it back on, my blacks will magically be black again.

Just to save typing, all my responses are the same as Kevin's.

not looking good so far

You notice the people that said yes didn't post (except one guy) This is far from scientific. Theres always fan boys that vote just to hate.

how are you guys measuring your black levels? i'm probably less than 500hrs and don't notice any difference - using my eye bulbs.

Model: TC-P50V10

Manufacture Date: April 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? No

Did Your Black Levels Elevate? Never took notice until now

# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue:

Any other issues? Horrible THX color decoding, had the A-board replaced.

Current status of TV? Had the A-board replaced 1/4/10 for THX color issue. Black levels remain unchanged.

I didn't think I would notice this issue until I put a pure black .png from MS Paint at 1920x1080 from my HTPC on the screen. Well it wasn't pure black. It looks just like the pics on the first page of the black issue thread. I always noticed when watching 2.35:1 movies that I can seperate the black bars from the bezel in a pitch black room but now I truly see the difference.
My blacks are not pure blacks and are more grey or have a brightness to the black.
I already had my A-board replaced so that is not the solution either.

I call BS on this one. For one it has a manu date of Dec 2009... In that time you purchased the Panasonic TV.. Lets say Dec 15th, put 300 hours (that would be 10 hours a day if returned on lets say the 15th of Jan!), found out the black level problem lets say the 16th, researched another TV and purchased the Kuro all in a couple days time. Ya right.

*Edit*
I just went back and read your posts before this. You said you exchanged a Samsung on Dec 1st for the V10. How does it have a manu date of December 2009 if you purchased it December 1st 2009? I knew you were full of it.

Model: TC-P54V10

Manufacture Date: October 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? No

Did Your Black Levels Elevate? Yes (very noticably)

# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue: 300ish

Any other issues? Dent on the side of the set.

Current status of TV? Full Refund from Panasonic.

i always though he was full of it...

If the statistics from this poll are anywhere close to correct than things are certainly not looking good for panny.

And to top it all off panasonic is by far my favorite electronics company. I guess it's just a waiting game now to see what is done.

Hey Y'all,
Im sorry, but many of these comments seem subjective. I own a 50V10, and hope to goodness that the black levels stay deep...but I dont know how many people can quantify the level of gained brightness. I mean, ever since reading David Katz article everyone has been like "Hmm, yeah, yeah, I think my blacks DO LOOK LIGHTER." Maybe IM WAY OFF HERE....

But while im at it...i think the only accurate comparison would be to juxtapose the V10's black level against the bezel in a completely darkened room. However, the blacks were never as dark as the bezel (as some tout), so to say "well it must be getting lighter because you can distinguish the two is pure non sense"...the V10 isnt an OLED from the future for heaven sake.

Huh? Panasonic issued you a refund for the TV cost? how long ago did you purchase it?

I got my first 54g10 back in July, but I got the 54V10 at the first of this year. Panasonic offers refunds for as long as the warranty lasts (you just have to convince them to do it)

i agree with you.. for everyone that states above they have a black level issue should provide a black level measurement along with it to prove you have a problem. It still baffles me that most will not do this but complain like a bunch of girls about it. Its almost annoying enough to keep me out of the plasma forums.

Not to mention there will be some who come out of the woodworks saying they have a problem simply hoping they can get a return and a newer TV out of it. I'm not discounting that some people see an issue, but I do believe there will be a lot of bandwagoners who decide they just can't stand the black levels on their V10 after they read AVSForum and CNet rather than deciding so because they saw an actual change in black level on their display.

So far I think I have about 500 hours on my 1.28 A-board replaced 50v10 and may have the issue in question as the side bars are definitely lighter than the bezel. Nonetheless, to my eyes (don't have a meter), my PQ is great.

My main requirement for my TV is that the facial skin tones look natural and that the colors are also looking natural (natural=real). Having blacks "blacker than black" would be OK, but I don't mind if they don't. So, if I do have the black issue, or even if I don't, I would believe that folks like myself, are and will be "jaw-dropping happy" with this TV.

Just another $0.02

Wow, that truly speaks to Panasonic's level of customer care. Im going to reiterate the thoughts of a poster above and say "Im sure many owners would take advantage of this to get a newer TV"
You know, I might just do that...I really would love to have one of the new 3-D ready TV's. Maybe the Sony LCD? Yeah, those glasses would totally not be a HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS. Holy moly, people upset me, oh, and please dont cite me for an abusive comment because I mentioned LCD...BLASPHEMY!!! LOL

Agreed Friend! Although, my current question is "How severe are these black level issues?"
Everything Ive heard says they are pronounced, but it's still making me look at my screen with more scrutiny then ever (and trust me, I had to learn to stop being a videophile bitch and start enjoying the content! The whole point of owning a great TV). Other question on my mind, and perhaps others, is : "Have my black levels worsened just even a little bit?" Jeeze, I hate fantasizing about problems that probably dont even exist! Comments Friends?

Holy ****, I speak for many when I say that I bought a Panasonic because of their quality products and CUSTOMER CARE. This makes me sick and Im done with them...great, now I have to choose between LG and Samsung (better buy earmuffs for buzzing)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...CmoreStories.0

I have had my 58V10 since Sept... IM GOOD, NO COMPLAINTS ! sorry

Curious as to your take on the issue. Have you had many buyers come back to you and complain about a rising black issue? Have you seen it first hand and done any measurements? Of those that have risen are they obvious or only slight?

best advice is to not let it consume you and sit back and enjoy your TV. It's often human nature to look so hard for a problem and convince yourself that there is one when one doesn't exist.

kinda depressing...i am supposed to be getting my50v10 in like a week. I could stil cancel the order though

Manufacture Date: October 2009

Followed Break-in Procedure? Nope -used torch mode and loving it!
Did Your Black Levels Elevate? No
# of hours? <500
# of Hours with Elevated Blacks Issue: N/A
Any other issues? No
Current status of TV? Great picture!