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Is there such a thing as too high?

post #1 of 13
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OK, I started this thread over in the build thread, but the response was pretty limited. Instead or re-creating everything, I thought I would just link to it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1212761

I am looking for some help that will finally let me decide what to do about my side surround speakers as described in the linked thread. Essentially the main question now is, can I have a speaker too high? I read some things saying 30 degrees up is good, 45 is bad, but then others say that that isnt true either.

I was hoping to be 6'6" up, but if I have to lower a few inches then I will, but I think anything more than a few inches is just asking for trouble rounding the corner with potential run-ins with the speaker.

I hope that I have come to the right place to get some more feedback as it was quite limited in the build thread. Much thanks in advanced.

If we get this settled, I may even manage to get the things hung this evening...
post #2 of 13
You have to consider the following.

- vertical axis response of the speakers.
- ceiling reflection (replaces floor reflections)

There is no set in stone value, every speaker design will act differently.

You can angle them down.
post #3 of 13
If the speaker in the picture is going to be your side surround speakers you want the peak of the triangle in line with your ear. For bipoles/dipoles you want your ears to be in the null and have the sound radiated infront and behind you to create non directional ambience. (If you are using a direct radiating speaker for your sides then you want them slightly behind the listening position.

As for the height of the speakers you definitely need to make both speakers the same height and they should also be directly across from each other (same distance back from front wall). I prefer higher placed surround speakers rather than lower placed ones. My uncle did a 7.1 setup and the 4 surrounds are only 2" down from the ceiling in which is 8'. I think it sounds it gives the appearance of more ambience and less directional sound. My speakers are only 2' above ear level and I wish they were at least a foot higher.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

If the speaker in the picture is going to be your side surround speakers you want the peak of the triangle in line with your ear. For bipoles/dipoles you want your ears to be in the null and have the sound radiated infront and behind you to create non directional ambience. (If you are using a direct radiating speaker for your sides then you want them slightly behind the listening position.
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Yes, I plan to use the RS-52 as my side surround now, so the triangle one. Given your comment about being in the null, at the peak, do I still want the speaker above my listening position? Or, because I am in the null, it does not matter as much?

I just went and measured, sitting, ear height is roughly 36", reclined it is about 29". If I place the speaker right under the ledge of the counter, the bottom comes to about 34", so while in line with my ears, it would be at ear level when sitting and just above when reclined. I guess with a direct firing I would be better off as far as behind and angling it down, but with the cone shaped bipole/dipole (Klipsch says WDST) am I OK being at ear level, or is this just going to cause issue because I will be able to tell directionality as it is in line with the ear?

As stated, with this style speaker I need to sit in the null as opposed to having the speaker just behind me, so my options are pretty limited and the only real option is to sit in the null but have them ear level. But is this bad? I cant move the seats back, as I need that space as a walkway behind the seating, and it is pretty tight as it is, so forward and under seem like the only answer as it is stated that I dont want this style speaker behind the listening position.

I am all ears for any more information I can gather on the subject.
post #5 of 13
What is the distance from the speaker to your ear? (side wall to seating position).
post #6 of 13
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4 -4.5' on the one side where I have the walkway from front of speaker to closest ear and roughly 3' on the other side where you cant get through. Although depending in whether I get 3 seats of 4 when I upgrade, things can get a bit closer as well as move farther away, but i want to try and squeeze 4 seats, so lets go with a little closer.

hope that makes sense. I have couches now and plan a future upgrade to some Berks.
post #7 of 13
You can do the side speakers at ear height since they are bi/dipole, 3' might be a little close but 4-4.5' shouldn't be too bad. It isn't perfect or ideal but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. If you put them there and you like it then sweet and if not then maybe you wanna go much higher.

Is your system a 5.1 or 7.1? If 7.1 what are your rear speakers and how high are they?
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

You can do the side speakers at ear height since they are bi/dipole, 3' might be a little close but 4-4.5' shouldn't be too bad. It isn't perfect or ideal but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. If you put them there and you like it then sweet and if not then maybe you wanna go much higher.

Is your system a 5.1 or 7.1? If 7.1 what are your rear speakers and how high are they?

7.1, my rears are towers just like the sides were. They sit at ear level.

OK, so I guess I have my answer...Just go with ear level on the sides. As they are dipole, we have learned that I do not really want them behind me, so the location behind and up high is not a good choice. While it may work, it just is not a good idea. As a result, I will go in line with the ear straight across. The good news is that with my couch right now, the seat I like that reclines is the one that is 4-4.5' from the one speaker and the same goes for the other end. So, when I finally manage to get the Berkline seats I want, they will all recline and I will end up more in the center and with the room just over 14' wide, this wont be so bad as I will be like 7' away. And as most of the time it is me and the wife this will be good. When we have more guests for a sporting event or movie, well, they will just have to suffer, being stuck close to the speakers on the ends.

I think I can live with it for now, and in the future when the seating changes, it will be all good. Thanks for the help. I hope what I am saying is accurate and makes sense. If you have any other thoughts or input, please let me know, but otherwise if you think I will be good, I will just run with it and do them low and at the sides.
post #9 of 13
Misleading thread title.
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by rnrn View Post

Misleading thread title.

Not really, the initial question was in regards to how high can you place the side speakers, after which it was learned with dipoles that you want to be in the null, so instead of high and back the configuration changed. But initially it was very accurate. Now, not so much, but thanks for the input as it was very helpful.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by smakovits View Post

Is there such a thing as too high?

Yes. A couple of times in my twenties.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by smakovits View Post

Not really, the initial question was in regards to how high can you place the side speakers, after which it was learned with dipoles that you want to be in the null, so instead of high and back the configuration changed. But initially it was very accurate. Now, not so much, but thanks for the input as it was very helpful.

K Shep gets what I'm talking about
post #13 of 13
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Got it. My bad
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