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I am currently in the process of prewiring my living room. I'm debating between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1. I will probably drop wire for 7.1 and if I decide on 5.1 so be it. The problem is that my 15'x20' living room has quite a few openings, doors, windows, etc. so speaker locations for surround and rear will have to be high up on the wall near the ceiling.

This is primarily a living room and I am adding surround sound for both resale value and my own enjoyment, so I'm looking to get a decent system for as cheap as possible that sounds fine and looks good. I don't need extreme sound quality, but I would like something that enhances the viewing experience. I'm also looking at spending less than 2k on the speakers if possible.

The house is a 1914 Craftsman house, so we want the look to not be overly modern, and would prefer the speakers to be very low profile. We want everything to "fit" as much as possible with the era (I know this is weird to say when adding surround sound to a 100 year old house, it won't match the period, but I want the speakers to be as unnoticeable as possible). This is why I have been leaning to in wall speakers to be low profile, but I am concerned about the sound quality. The front speakers can possibly be free standing speakers, and the main center speaker will probably be mounted above my TV (7-8 feet high). The surround and rear speakers will have to either on or in-wall speakers.

The issue is that the rear speakers will have to be at 7-8 feet high. Will this pose a problem for in-wall speakers? which can't be tilted? The same goes for the surround speakers. Unless I place them in front of the listening area, they are going to have to be close to the ceiling about 7-8 feet high.

Basically I'm wondering if placing speakers this high will degrade the sound quality (btw this room will also be used for playing music through my whole house audio system).

Should I definitely stay away from in-wall speakers for my center and front speakers? I can probably get away with free standing speakers in the front.

Am I going to have problems mixing and matching in-wall, on wall, and free standing speakers?

Can bookshelf speakers typically be mounted on a wall? If so how?

Thanks,

Richard
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I'm going through some of the same issues. I was originally going to put a pair of in wall speakers in the family room, dining room, and kitchen. Then I decided that I might as well put in additional speakers in the family room while my basement is being finished (and before the basement ceiling goes in).

I went all in-walls and didn't focus/worry too much about placement. Both front speakers are technically too high. The center is going to go above the TV, which means about about 6'3" high. The rears are also about that height.

What I ultimately concluded was that this set up was still going to be far superior to relying on just my TV speakers. And if I want a truer movie experience, I can go down to the movie area in my basement where I have much, much better gear and speaker placement.

I'm not sure I really helped answer your question. But as far as resale, I think the majority of buyers won't know the details of what is good and what is not. They'll just think it's great that your house as a whole house audio set up.
post #3 of 6
I just completed my own in-wall 5.1 setup, integrated with a multi-room system. My house is actually of similar age to yours.

First off, if you happen to have plaster walls/ceilings like I do, I strongly recommend a Rotozip tool. It's basically a Dremel on steroids, and trust me it's invaluable for speaker installs if you have plaster walls.

As far as placement is concerned, you have a little more flexibility on the surround speakers, since these generally aren't doing the bulk of the work. Some speakers have pivoting tweeters as well to account for actual listening positions. Placement of your front 3 is more critical. There's quite a few threads on here regarding speaker placement so you can see what's worked for others. There are also general guidelines set forth on the Dolby & Crutchfield websites. Many people including myself use in-ceilings for their surround speakers, with good results.

The forum consensus for in-walls/in-ceilings is to use speakers with an enclosure. Search the in-wall speaker threads for recommendations. Be warned that the enclosed models tend to be less budget-friendly. I have both enclosed and open-back in my house, and both sound great for how they are being used. That said, my open-back in-ceilings do allow sound to bleed into upper rooms, whereas the enclosed in-walls do a great job at keeping the sound where it should be.

The tricky part with an in-wall setup is trying to gauge actual performance in your room. For obvious reasons there's more risk involved than with a floor-standing or bookshelf setup, where speakers can easily be moved (or returned). Not a bad idea to demo speakers locally if possible. To answer your question, I feel you can get very good performance out of an in-wall setup, especially if you go with an enclosed model.

To answer your other questions...many speakers can be mounted to the wall with the right bracketry and/or carpentry skills. Although, you may want to look into on-wall speakers, which have a low-profile and offer some of the benefits of a typical boxed speaker (without having to cut into your walls). Do a search on timbre matching to find out about mixing speakers. My best advice if you can't do a listening test is to post what models you want to mix, and someone here can probably offer some insight on the setup.
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Originally Posted by rjschwar View Post

I am currently in the process of prewiring my living room. I'm debating between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1. I will probably drop wire for 7.1 and if I decide on 5.1 so be it. The problem is that my 15'x20' living room has quite a few openings, doors, windows, etc. so speaker locations for surround and rear will have to be high up on the wall near the ceiling.

This is primarily a living room and I am adding surround sound for both resale value and my own enjoyment, so I'm looking to get a decent system for as cheap as possible that sounds fine and looks good. I don't need extreme sound quality, but I would like something that enhances the viewing experience. I'm also looking at spending less than 2k on the speakers if possible.

The house is a 1914 Craftsman house, so we want the look to not be overly modern, and would prefer the speakers to be very low profile. We want everything to "fit" as much as possible with the era (I know this is weird to say when adding surround sound to a 100 year old house, it won't match the period, but I want the speakers to be as unnoticeable as possible). This is why I have been leaning to in wall speakers to be low profile, but I am concerned about the sound quality. The front speakers can possibly be free standing speakers, and the main center speaker will probably be mounted above my TV (7-8 feet high). The surround and rear speakers will have to either on or in-wall speakers.

The issue is that the rear speakers will have to be at 7-8 feet high. Will this pose a problem for in-wall speakers? which can't be tilted? The same goes for the surround speakers. Unless I place them in front of the listening area, they are going to have to be close to the ceiling about 7-8 feet high.

Basically I'm wondering if placing speakers this high will degrade the sound quality (btw this room will also be used for playing music through my whole house audio system).

Should I definitely stay away from in-wall speakers for my center and front speakers? I can probably get away with free standing speakers in the front.

Am I going to have problems mixing and matching in-wall, on wall, and free standing speakers?

Can bookshelf speakers typically be mounted on a wall? If so how?

Thanks,

Richard

In-walls speakers come in many varieties. Most are designed to use the wall as the speaker's enclosure and front baffle. For HT use, these types of designs should be avoided. You should look for in-walls with integral enclosures. The following article explains why this is crucial to good sound:
http://www.cepro.com/article/how_to_...er_systems/D1/

If you use in-walls with integral enclosures, you can certainly duplicate the sound quality of free-standing speakers, (assuming you use a subwoofer for the deep bass.) Placement of the front 3 speakers should be dictated by the display device used. The CC should be as close to the display as possible, either above or below it. The LR's should be to either side, with consideration given for soundstage width vs. the size of the display. You don't want to place the speakers so wide that they no longer "lock up" with the video image.

Here are some examples of in-walls with integral enclosures:
http://www.speakercraft.com/#Product...%20IW7%20Three
http://www.sonance.com/products/speakers/detail/534
http://www.thespeakercompany.com/NTI...akers-C39.aspx
http://www.rbhsound.com/si760.shtml
http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/product...-thx-overview/

The surrounds can certainly be placed high up on the side and rear walls. They should be placed to mimic the recommended placements as closely as possibly:



(If using 5.1, eliminate the rear speakers, not the side speakers.)

Craig
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Thanks for all the replies. Good to know I have some flexibility on rear and surround height. I think I will probably go with the in wall speakers. I do indeed have lath and plaster walls, but in rewiring everything I have found that my jigsaw works fairly well at handling everything. The plaster is in rough shape anyway, and needs to be redone so some chipping and such isn't an issue. I had strongly considered a rotozip. Had a dremel, but that didn't do so well w/ the plaster. I may break down and get a rotozip.

Thanks,

Richard
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