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TV Guide On Screen (TVGOS) DVDR HDD ATSC - Is There Such a Thing?

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Every once in a while I check this site looking for tips on new products. Is there such a thing as a DVDR with HDD, a digital (ATSC) tuner and TV Guide On Screen? After years with my Panasonic DMR-EH75VS (which I LOVE), I really want to keep TVGOS. However, Comcast is finally going all digital - well, primarily digital (keeping channels 1-20 analog), so it's time to finally bite the bullet.

I also love the EH75V because of the easy editing feature (not to be confused with the crappy one in the HDD non-TVGOS decks that have you put your chapter marks in with that preview screen). This has made it easy to record things, edit them, and burn to DVD. I'd love to keep all those features.

If there's anything out there people recommend, I'd be grateful!
David
DWSpiro@AOL.com
post #2 of 8
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Is there such a thing as a DVDR with HDD, a digital (ATSC) tuner and TV Guide On Screen?

No - the EH75V and it's brother, the EH55, were the last ones made.

All there is for HDD/DVD recorders with an NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuner in the US now is the Magnavox H2160a. It has no guide of any sort, and all timers must be set manually.

The only thing made now with an ATSC tuner (2), hard drive and TVGOS is the HD DTVPal DVR. It has composite out (but no s-video), so you can transfer to a separate DVD recorder in 480i, if you'd like.
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Does anyone know why this is so? Is TVGOS a dead format or too expensive to license? I really felt the Pannys with it were incredible machines. What a great alternative to Tivo. So now, nothing out there with a guide? It's just Tivo or use your cable company's box? How can that be?

David
post #4 of 8
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Oh, and one more question - was there EVER a DVR or PVR with TVGOS and a digital tuner? Or did TVGOS solely work on analog?

Thanks again.
post #5 of 8
There just aren't any standalone HDD/DVD recorders being made anymore for the US market, except for the Magnavox, which tries to keep it's costs to a bare minimum, to appeal to the "Wal-Mart mentality" crowd. TVGOS would add too much to the cost.

HDD/DVD recorders apparently just weren't profitable enough in the US for the manufacturers to keep selling them here, and those are where you'd see the digital TVGOS, if they were still around.

The only standalone DVR currently being made with the digital TVGOS is the OTA-only DTVPal (there are some current flat-panel LCD's that have it built-in, though - mainly Sony's and Mitsubishi's. But it generally only goes a day or two out with info in those, for some reason - whereas in the DTVPal, it should go out at least 7 or 8 days, like the analog one does).

So TVGOS is not dead at all, really - at least at the current time (neither analog nor digital - just the OTA analog version - some cable companies still carry it in analog, though). Still, I wouldn't exactly call it "thriving".

For cable, the TiVo can be bought with a pre-paid, lifetime fee (I got mine that way for $550.00), and the Moxi ($500.00) already includes the fee in it's price. Information on those and the others can be found here (to start): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1204433.

On a side note, after your cable company "transitions", they still may be sending the analog TVGOS out over a local analog channel. In that case, you may be able to split your signal, so that you can still continue to receive it with your Panny's analog tuner. You'd have to have something better than just their basic, free "DTA", though - because the EH75V's IR blaster won't control that. It would be more likely to control (change the channels on) one of their better tuners, though. Also, the the DTA's don't have built-in timers of any sort to change channels on their own, like their better tuners often do (so you wouldn't even need to use the IR blaster in that case - and even if you're not receiving the analog TVGOS, you will still be able to set timers manually on both the recorder and the tuner).
post #6 of 8
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Thanks for filling me in on the history and reasons. It's still kinda shocking to me that there aren't people who want to record things and then save them to a DVD. I mean, for years people were saving tons of VHS tapes. So, are they just getting out of the habit because of the ease of PVR and TIVO where they can watch and then delete?

Although, I suppose if they really want to tape, they buy DVD-Rs and don't worry about the editting feature. I for one really loves the Panny editting. I have a Pioneer (i think the 510H) which is also easy on editting. The Magnavox isn't all that user friendly, which is why I don't use it much (although I have one). But maybe that's been rectified in the newer model.

But, not having the TVGOS or some kind of guide? That sucks. I will say when TVGOS came along, I actually did stop getting the TV Guide magazine - I didn't need it anymore. And maybe with TIVO and PVRs, people feel they're getting the best of both worlds.

I remember someone telling me that the FCC and tv stations were the ones who wanted to put an end to the HDD records with good editting capabilities - just like they tried for years to stop people being able to record TV shows on their VCRs. I don't know how much credance I put on this, but maybe someone else out there knows.

I know I may be in the minority, but some sort of HD digital tuner version of the EH75V would be an AMAZING machine. Perhaps cost prohibitive for mass production, but amazing nonetheless.

David
post #7 of 8
This: http://www.meritline.com/artec-t3apr...--p-34159.aspx, or the DTVPal ATSC converter box (which is pretty hard to find now - it's not the DVR mentioned above) is supposed to be able to convert the digital TVGOS signal to analog, for the old, analog TVGOS recorders like the EH75V.

I don't know how much success people have had getting it to work with cable, but there are a few reports here from people that have gotten it to work with OTA. You can check the CECB and DVD Recorders forums for more info.
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Thanks for filling me in on the history and reasons. It's still kinda shocking to me that there aren't people who want to record things and then save them to a DVD. I mean, for years people were saving tons of VHS tapes. So, are they just getting out of the habit because of the ease of PVR and TIVO where they can watch and then delete?

Most people only care about timeshifting, not archiving.

Modern DVRs can be expanded to hundreds of HD hours and thousands of SD hours, eliminating the need to immediately watch and then delete programs. You might record an entire season of a series before you watch the first episode.

Note some products like TiVo also allow you to download the recorded files to your computer over the network. You can download the recordings on the DVR in your living room to the computer in your office. You can view and edit those recordings (incl. automatic commercial removal) on your computer, archive the recordings to a hard drive, or burn them to DVD and/or Blu-ray. All recordings are transferred as is, bit-for-bit identical to the original broadcast, in full high-definition resolution with DD5.1 sound, and can be transferred back to the DVR at a later date.

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I remember someone telling me that the FCC and tv stations were the ones who wanted to put an end to the HDD records with good editting capabilities - just like they tried for years to stop people being able to record TV shows on their VCRs. I don't know how much credance I put on this, but maybe someone else out there knows.

Broadcasters sought a "broadcast flag" -- a form of copy protection -- for content broadcast over the airwaves. The FCC mandated this flag for DTV equipment, but that mandate was struck down by the U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled that the FCC only had authority to regulate transmissions, not devices that receive communications. Some broadcasters still use these flags, but modern OTA DVRs ignore them.

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I know I may be in the minority, but some sort of HD digital tuner version of the EH75V would be an AMAZING machine. Perhaps cost prohibitive for mass production, but amazing nonetheless.

Compared to older products like the EH75V, the TiVo and Moxi are already amazing machines.

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