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post #121 of 3937
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

CCONKLIN1,

I agree with everything you said except that the player that can be had for $100.00 doesn't support SACD or DVD-A nor does a player for $200.00 or $250.00. However, if you don't require this support, then you do have the options you mentioned. I think the players just below the price point of the BDP-80 and just above it do have something to worry about it.

Now that being said, I WANT ONE for my bedroom system also and I want it NOW!



Respectfully,
Willie

Willie,
Also part of my point. Do your parents know what a sacd or dvd-a is? Hell, I would venture you could go into Best Buy and ask 10 people what those two things are and MAYBE 1 would know? So for the masses, the $100 blu-ray that does an ok job of upscaling is all they need!
Yeah, I tried ordering again today even though I knew better....:-)
and, I will try again tomorrow just to be sure...

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post #122 of 3937
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

What's so hard? You have not DIRECTLY answered any questions.

Simple question, not relevant to Monday. What chip does the down rez from 1080p output to 720p (playing a blu-ray disc)? Is it the ABT or something else?

Will 720p output be the same or worse with the 80 compared to the 83?

If you cannot glean this knowledge from what was displayed through the first link, then it has to wait to Monday. That's the rules.
post #123 of 3937
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

What's so hard? You have not DIRECTLY answered any questions.

You're rather demanding, considering you are the freshman that hasn't done the research stepping into a third year classroom with people that have done the research.

How about you stop demanding people GIVE you the answers you can find out for yourself with just a little bit of effort on your part.
post #124 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

You're rather demanding, considering you are the freshman that hasn't done the research stepping into a third year classroom with people that have done the research.

How about you stop demanding people GIVE you the answers you can find out for yourself with just a little bit of effort on your part.

Thank you. Wish there were a warning screen before posts asking if you're sure you researched before asking.

Monday will be worse - the visigoths will have breached all the walls by then!
post #125 of 3937
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

None of those links tell anyone why we should care whether the 80 has these things or not; or what the benefit exactly is.

First, the player isn't officially announced yet - people found the link through trial and error. Thus, those individuals with first-hand experience with the player are still restricted by NDA (non-disclosure agreement) from talking about the player until it shows up on the front page of the web site - which will be Monday. The information that has been provided has in many cases come from people working around those constraints.

The ABT2010 is a video processing chip used by the BDP-83. It is a very capable video processor (used in the DVDO Edge video processor). It is one of the strengths behind the BDP-83. The BDP-80 omits this chip - which is one reason that it costs 42% less.

The SoC is the central chip for any Blu-ray player. It handles most of the computational "heavy lifting" - decoding the raw video data from the disc as well as any necessary audio processing (decoding, bass management, etc.). These chips are capable of the video processing required to manage the multiple source video resolutions that a Blu-ray player will encounter, including scaling and deinterlacing DVD so it can be output at HD resolutions. In the BDP-83, the SoC does these tasks for the component video output but hands off the decoded video signal to the ABT2010 without video processing. This is true for Blu-ray as well as DVD. The ABT2010 does more than simply scale DVD video sources. It does all video processing (after essential decoding) for the HDMI output. In the BDP-80, the SoC will do all video processing because there is not ABT processor present. How well will it do that? There's no spec to define it, and anyone with first-hand experience can't talk about it until Monday.

DLNA support was recently added to the BDP-83 through a firmware update. It was accompanied by support for BluTV (a new streaming video/Java applet service from Dreamer Corp.). Neither are mentioned in the BDP-80's feature list. They may or may not be available on Monday, and they may or may not be added later via firmware update. We don't know. Folks who liked the BDP-83's newfound DLNA support will be interested in this for the BDP-80.
post #126 of 3937
We're going to need another "Official" thread by Monday! ...or reviews start on page ??? flag!.
post #127 of 3937
Thread Starter 
Professional Reviews are always posted on the first post. It will also be updated to reflect the product information once the player is "official" (ie. can be bought on the OPPO website).

User reviews wouldn't be available for sometime anyways, so a new thread would be filled with non-user reviews anyways.
post #128 of 3937
Will BDP-80 play HD divx? Or still only legacy/480p?
post #129 of 3937
Thread Starter 
Seeing how the BDP-83 supports HD DivX/XviD, it is safe to say that the BDP-80 will as well.
post #130 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

^^^

Yes, I just saw the Facebook announcement to the forthcoming official announcement.

I wonder if it will be the BDP-80.

Do I receive a prize for being the first one to guess the model number on AVS Forum?
post #131 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Do I receive a prize for being the first one to guess the model number on AVS Forum?

What model number?
post #132 of 3937
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Do I receive a prize for being the first one to guess the model number on AVS Forum?

No, because one of the beta testers would have had it first, since many of us had started to guess the name of a "lower-end" model days after we received word of the official BDP-83 name.
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

What model number?

BDP-80.
post #133 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post


BDP-80.

Doesn't exist.
post #134 of 3937
Thread Starter 
Oh, it does exist. This thread does not exist, however.
post #135 of 3937
If a player is mentioned in a thread that doesn't exist, does the player itself still exist?... or is it simply an incarnation of the future?
post #136 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

If a player is mentioned in a thread that doesn't exist, does the player itself still exist?... or is it simply an incarnation of the future?

The past shapes the future, every decision made in the past leads us to this future which does not exist yet.
post #137 of 3937
The only thing that I can see on the product description page about the front panel is this:

"Featuring a brushed metallic front panel and dimmable display, the BDP-80 fits nicely in any home theater environment, ranging from simple to high-end."

Whether or not this is fake aluminum, a la plastic made to look like brushed aluminum, is not clear yet.
post #138 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post


Vaporware.

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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

You are correct. I am not an OPPO employee.
However, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

What model number?

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Doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

If a player is mentioned in a thread that doesn't exist, does the player itself still exist?... or is it simply an incarnation of the future?

Is your personal goal to inject vagueness, misdirection and obfuscation in all Oppo threads?
post #139 of 3937
He's just kidding. Lighten up.
post #140 of 3937
Grube, grube...this is not HDD smackdown.


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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

It isn't clear, but it makes sense for them to be using the exact same Mediatek chip for both. As a result, if an issue like the weightp flag gets fixed on one player, the fix would carry over to the other as well.

Yes, it does...I originally posted in haste after misreading the discussion about chipsets on the first page. The chipset comparison was being made between one of Oppo's DVD models (the unofficial predecessor to this unit?) and the BDP-80, not the BDP-83. I'll continue to wait expectantly for MediaTek to get to debugging and fix implementation.
post #141 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Oh, it does exist. This thread does not exist, however.

You guys...
post #142 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Grubert View Post

Is your personal goal to inject vagueness, misdirection and obfuscation in all Oppo threads?

He's not called Smarty-Pants for nothin'!
Best,
Chris
PS Yes, it is Sunday...and yes, I did try to order it again....FAIL
post #143 of 3937
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

First, the player isn't officially announced yet - people found the link through trial and error. Thus, those individuals with first-hand experience with the player are still restricted by NDA (non-disclosure agreement) from talking about the player until it shows up on the front page of the web site - which will be Monday. The information that has been provided has in many cases come from people working around those constraints.

The ABT2010 is a video processing chip used by the BDP-83. It is a very capable video processor (used in the DVDO Edge video processor). It is one of the strengths behind the BDP-83. The BDP-80 omits this chip - which is one reason that it costs 42% less.

The SoC is the central chip for any Blu-ray player. It handles most of the computational "heavy lifting" - decoding the raw video data from the disc as well as any necessary audio processing (decoding, bass management, etc.). These chips are capable of the video processing required to manage the multiple source video resolutions that a Blu-ray player will encounter, including scaling and deinterlacing DVD so it can be output at HD resolutions. In the BDP-83, the SoC does these tasks for the component video output but hands off the decoded video signal to the ABT2010 without video processing. This is true for Blu-ray as well as DVD. The ABT2010 does more than simply scale DVD video sources. It does all video processing (after essential decoding) for the HDMI output. In the BDP-80, the SoC will do all video processing because there is not ABT processor present. How well will it do that? There's no spec to define it, and anyone with first-hand experience can't talk about it until Monday.

DLNA support was recently added to the BDP-83 through a firmware update. It was accompanied by support for BluTV (a new streaming video/Java applet service from Dreamer Corp.). Neither are mentioned in the BDP-80's feature list. They may or may not be available on Monday, and they may or may not be added later via firmware update. We don't know. Folks who liked the BDP-83's newfound DLNA support will be interested in this for the BDP-80.

Thank you. This helps.
post #144 of 3937
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Originally Posted by facesnorth View Post

But if he did go ahead and sell his 983, he would want the BDP-83, not the 80 to replace it.

facesnorth,

Your right! That would be the logical progression.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #145 of 3937
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

I'm just a bit concerned because I think expectations for BD quality with this player may be too high. So I ask, are you folks going to be happy if BD playback is a wash with the player you may already own???

robertc88,

I don't hear people talking in anticipation of this player for its BD playback. I think most people expect the BD PQ to be very similar to the player they presently have or are thinking about replacing. I own several players and the blu-ray PQ is more alike than different on all these players. It's all the other features that separate my players. The least of which is blu-ray PQ. People seem to be talking about everything, but blu-ray PQ from what I have read.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #146 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Grubert View Post

Is your personal goal to inject vagueness, misdirection and obfuscation in all Oppo threads?

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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

robertc88,

I don't hear people talking in anticipation of this player for its BD playback. I think most people expect the BD PQ to be very similar to the player they presently have or are thinking about replacing. I own several players and the blu-ray PQ is more alike than different on all these players. It's all the other features that separate my players. The least of which is blu-ray PQ. People seem to be talking about everything, but blu-ray PQ from what I have read.


Respectfully,
Willie

Willie,
I think you need to get one to add to your list of players! And I thought I had too many players! :-)
Chris
PS And yes, I agree that most blu-ray players for blu-ray playback look more or less the same,,,
post #147 of 3937
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

robertc88,

I don't hear people talking in anticipation of this player for its BD playback. I think most people expect the BD PQ to be very similar to the player they presently have or are thinking about replacing. I own several players and the blu-ray PQ is more alike than different on all these players. It's all the other features that separate my players. The least of which is blu-ray PQ. People seem to be talking about everything, but blu-ray PQ from what I have read.


Respectfully,
Willie

Yeah, this player would be a step backwards in my household. Most of my friends don't listen to SACD/DVD-A so I wouldn't even recommend this unit as a first BD player. This player is really for fans only and is the PERFECT player if you:

1) Own a downstream VP or halfway decent VP processing in an AVR/prepro.
2) Have an HDMI 1.1+ AVR (digital A/V all the way).
3) Want SACD/DVD-A

You can buy this player for larger screens (think front projection) as long as you have adequate downstream VP.
post #148 of 3937
I think tomorrow may bring some additional information about this player. As we know at this point, its sure to have more at this price point than just the inclusion of SACD/DVD-A. As previously mentioned, this is a niche feature for some of us on this Forum, but the pricing isn't competitive with other players, so I'd expect that added features exist, and this system on a chip is a pretty decent processor.
post #149 of 3937
Does anyone know if this player will emulate 7.1 surround from a 5.1 blu-ray disk? Similiar to Dolby PLIIx on a receiver? I want to use the analog inputs on my receiver and I have 7.1. My current HTPC Blu-Ray currently does Dolby PLIIx at the player so my receiver does not need to change.
post #150 of 3937
Now I am more confused. I am wondering if I should keep the Pioneer 23FD that I got over the holidays or just return it & get this new Oppo. Oppo will set me back additional $60.00. I have until 31st to return the player so hopefully we can get some user reviews by then.
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